precision machining

[edgar74]

Good morning to all,

I know it's not exactly the right place, but I'm looking for some information about the world of mechanical workshops where precision machining is done.

you would tell me where to find news about the industry, to understand the current situation, future developments, competition with emerging countries. . .

 

[zeffiro62]

Good morning to all,

I know it's not exactly the right place, but I'm looking for some information about the world of mechanical workshops where precision machining is done.

you would tell me where to find news about the industry, to understand the current situation, future developments, competition with emerging countries. . .

adesso come adesso è "" un bagno di sangueeeeee "" :frown::frown::frown:

 

[edgar74]

adesso come adesso è "" un bagno di sangueeeeee "" :frown::frown::frown:

Can you be more precise??

I care to clarify 2 points

1. How do they work? do they have commercial offices that maintain customer relations, or are they merely executives??

2. Who are their clients?? I don't know: foundries, etc...

 

[stevie]

1 - let us say that the situation is very varied, especially in relation to the size of companies. . .
2 - customers are represented by those companies that need precision machining for their products and which do not have their own production departments

 

[edgar74]

1 - let us say that the situation is very varied, especially in relation to the size of companies. . .
2 - customers are represented by those companies that need precision machining for their products and which do not have their own production departments

thanks for the answer stivie!!

I am giving a hand to manage the accounts to a friend who has a small mechanical workshop, with 5 employees and 350,000 turnover that come to him alone 3 customers. . .

I think it's risky to work with only 3 clients, even if big, but rightly it's a small reality and so you can't afford to pay a commercial that develops it.

I would like to comment on

1. Can a company of 5 employees move forward with 350.000 euros of turnover?

2. which are the areas of specialization of precision mechanical workshops: e.g. turning, milling, die casting, etc...? ?

3. which types of customers: foundries, contractors, etc.

 

[vmirko]

I would like to comment on

1. Can a company of 5 employees move forward with 350.000 euros of turnover?

depends also on which exits it has,

type rent real estate, leasing machinery etc. etc.

in my opinion it is a bit reduced as turnover,
but of sti periods is all fat that cola.

I also agree that only 3 customers are not enough.

 

[stevie]

the problem is not in turnover but in the profit that one expects to have.
in the field of specialization. ..trovi companies that make only turning, turning of minutery, other only milling, some only grinding, etc...there is everything and more.
from what I understand this company works on behalf of third parties not? then customers as I told you before can be manufacturers of mechanical devices (machines, plants, etc.) that are not equipped for the processing of mechanical components that use.
the problem is that now, in a contraction market, acquiring a new job involves removing it to those who have done so far, and 99% of the cases this occurs in the case of a lower supply price.

 

[edgar74]

thanks to suggestions

actually counts profit, which is low, and in qs period of crisis is even worse...

I was interested to understand if to invoice 400,000 euros needed 6 employees, I think they are right, but maybe you can do the same turnover with 4...

the costs are high and come from investments in machinery that are still repaying using bank debts.

can there be developments for companies of this size to widen their scope outside the province?? Is it possible to go abroad, there are outlets??

 

[stevie]

but I think that very depends on the type of production that you make... single pieces, small series, big series, etc.
in companies that make special tires and oleodynamics in large series there are huge sheds with dozens of cnc machines with automatic loading systems and everything is supervised by 1-2 operators.
Of course if you make single pieces or small series this you can't do.
I don't understand what you mean to go abroad, but if that's what I understand, I can tell you that now the great productions are all made abroad where the cost of the job is much lower than the Italian one, but I don't know if you could keep the customers you have now because of the logistic aspect.
However the manufacturing industry now I think it is the last to evaluate if you want to have great profits... at least in Italy.

 

[SHIREN]

thanks to suggestions

actually counts profit, which is low, and in qs period of crisis is even worse...

I was interested to understand if to invoice 400,000 euros needed 6 employees, I think they are right, but maybe you can do the same turnover with 4...

the costs are high and come from investments in machinery that are still repaying using bank debts.

can there be developments for companies of this size to widen their scope outside the province?? Is it possible to go abroad, there are outlets??

Hi.
a job costs from 18 to 28.50 € now all inclusive
for a time of 2249 hours per year
comme is done with four sets plus the employer to move forward with $400,000?
for outlets is a complicated moment
but if one invents his own product and entrusts him to a representative
even at a low price
and only manages to pay the expenses
Maybe he can solve ohhh prob
Thank you very much

 

[edgar74]

x stevie...to go abroad I mean to continue working in Italy but with foreign customers... is it feasible???

x shiren... what do you intend to invent a product, my friend does mechanical work on products that are proposed to him, in your opinion could he propose products on which to work??

 

[stevie]

to have foreign customers, considering that the cost of Italian work is much higher than that of the majority of European countries, you must be able to assure a quality much above the average, or to make special, special work, that I know they come to mind processing of very large details (we talk about tens of meters). otherwise it is difficult to go abroad.
not to discourage you but in recent years I have always and only seen the opposite (companies who have lost customers in favor of cheaper suppliers in Eastern Europe or in Asia).
for the speech produced I am not so optimistic as shiren...even with the product itself and quality at a practically Chinese price (what I am doing basically) you struggle to find customers now as now.

 

[SHIREN]

x stevie...to go abroad I mean to continue working in Italy but with foreign customers... is it feasible???

x shiren... what do you intend to invent a product, my friend does mechanical work on products that are proposed to him, in your opinion could he propose products on which to work??

to have foreign customers, considering that the cost of Italian work is much higher than that of the majority of European countries, you must be able to assure a quality much above the average, or to make special, special work, that I know they come to mind processing of very large details (we talk about tens of meters). otherwise it is difficult to go abroad.
not to discourage you but in recent years I have always and only seen the opposite (companies who have lost customers in favor of cheaper suppliers in Eastern Europe or in Asia).
for the speech produced I am not so optimistic as shiren...even with the product itself and quality at a practically Chinese price (what I am doing basically) you struggle to find customers now as now.

Hi.
now as now and all complicated
Of course you don't make your own product with a simple stroke of genius or a snap of fingers
But it's for this.
if there are the conditions of professionalism adequate tec knowledge
an adequate workshop
Why not make the goat work and see what to invent
make it work on its own (not that of others)
costs little or even nothing
I wish you could
Good evening

 

[edgar74]

I tried to take a look at the accounting situation of my friend who has an individual company. ..when small companies are always struggling to trace back to a good budgetary analysis to identify the critical elements of the management performance. .

Will you tell me what you think is most important to consider when analyzing the accounts of a company in this sector?

I speak of budgetary indices or even purely managerial aspects. . .

 

[sampom]

x stevie...to go abroad I mean to continue working in Italy but with foreign customers... is it feasible???

x shiren... what do you intend to invent a product, my friend does mechanical work on products that are proposed to him, in your opinion could he propose products on which to work??

we've been working for a couple of years just abroad. in Italy lately only "small" rognosis works, maintenance and "cats" that others failed to peel. . However you do not eat or at least keep us a company.
we have established customers in the north of Africa (one in particular more than twenty years) that fortunately, they keep us engaged all year round without particular problems.
Of course, we are builders, we have our products (machines and complete plants) and companies turn around and turn around looking for you (but now you have to constantly "start them on"). in my field there is also a discreet competition but so far there is enough place for everyone (and all now in Italy we have the same problems, around the fairs you feel of all colors.. besides seeing very few people around and dozens of exhibitors who give forfait).
the beauty of those countries is that they are constantly developing and governments are opening up to import. they have money (distribution is true, around you see the misery, but those who have them really have so many and want to spend them to "growth" and above all pay (also because otherwise the goods do not depart).

Of course, for an Italian turning/fresher third party (but Western in general) I see it very hard (impossible?) to propose abroad, unless it guarantees suffix quality and has "unique and indispensable" technologies, for which it is obliged to pass from him. But today, I think it's a very intriguing speech.
I am sorry but the situation is this; all the mechanical workshops of my area (traditionally linked to the automotives and derivatives, once the "eldorado")) are struggling, the smallest with owners now pensionable close, others work in hiccumbing with halved staff. some young people with so much desire and effort work a little for everyone (maybe so many small things "on the call") but with the lower arms.

I mean, it's a mess.
Just a tip, look at the accounts that with those you're doing, it seems to me that you're going to get back.

greetings
Marco:smile:

 

[edgar74]

in the budget I see an important voice given by the debts v/suppliers. .

I'm trying to understand better...are suppliers understood as clients who supply the pieces to work?? but does that mean that the processing company buys the pieces and then sells them to the customer once worked??

If it weren't so I wouldn't know how to frame the v/supplier debiters, since they don't have real suppliers for those who do the processing. . .

 

[sampom]

in the budget I see an important voice given by the debts v/suppliers. .

I'm trying to understand better...are suppliers understood as clients who supply the pieces to work?? but does that mean that the processing company buys the pieces and then sells them to the customer once worked??

If it weren't so I wouldn't know how to frame the v/supplier debiters, since they don't have real suppliers for those who do the processing. . .

I admire you for good will and availability to your friend. .
but with sympathy I tell you that you do not have very clear ideas on the subject.
attention that to take care of management/economics in addition to a minimum preparation it takes a nice hair on the stomach:biggrin:.

Sorry, but suppliers are the suppliers and customers customers (discuss the word game).
Customer companies require you to work by providing you with the "semi-finished" but not for that they become suppliers. who submits invoice is a supplier, those to whom tu present invoice are customers (all very simple).

How is "there are no real suppliers"?
and the supply of materials to whom do you do it? Who do you buy machines? and the tools, and all the "consumables", and all the atrezzatures? and the supply of energy? Wouldn't these be suppliers for you?
each company (but also in private, all life is based on the purchase and use of goods) is composed entirely of "objects" coming from suppliers. Has everything you see around you not been bought? and by whom fornitori?
I repeat, who sells (goods or services) is supplier, who buys is customer. the two figures can alternate but they always remain (at that time) distinct.

clarified this (spero:smile there is to say that if your friend has many debts before (evidently he will not have paid some supply above, but it should be all documented and easy to get back.. He'll know that, right?) don't start with the right foot. useless (and illogical) "doing the accounts" you're "inventing", the equazione dependent=fatturato is absolutely not worth (maybe it was true..).

I think it's better that your friend gets busy to solve his problems and then that he turns to a prepared and experienced consultant (who will also be fornitore therefore). that you might be able to follow to "get your bones", but so you risk doing more damage than already there are.

It forgives the frankness, but it is better to stand with your feet firmly on the ground.. Right away.

greetings
Marco:smile:

 

[edgar74]

Thank you very much. .

but the distinction between supplier and customer is clear, speaking with my friend assured me not to have real suppliers, it does not buy anything except service costs

water/electricity
Transport
insurance
professional bills
stationery, machines x office
maintenance

that are important items, but not fundamental in its budget. .

I would have expected raw material suppliers, but doing only processing told me that it has no other purchases !!!

Unfortunately, my perplexity is on the sector that I do not know well!

 

[sampom]

Thank you very much. .

but the distinction between supplier and customer is clear, speaking with my friend assured me not to have real suppliers, it does not buy anything except service costs

water/electricity
Transport
insurance
professional bills
stationery, machines x office
maintenance

that are important items, but not fundamental in its budget. .

I would have expected raw material suppliers, but doing only processing told me that it has no other purchases !!!

Unfortunately, my perplexity is on the sector that I do not know well!

He obviously didn't pay any of these.

but I do not understand;
You say it's a mechanical workshop. but does not have machines/actresses? every now and then they have to be replaced. tools and everything (there are hundreds of things that are used in a workshop and are constantly restored) do not use it? They give him everything?
and how and with what does it produce, only with the office stationery?

greetings
Mar

 

[edgar74]

He obviously didn't pay any of these.

but I do not understand;
You say it's a mechanical workshop. but does not have machines/actresses? every now and then they have to be replaced. tools and everything (there are hundreds of things that are used in a workshop and are constantly restored) do not use it? They give him everything?
and how and with what does it produce, only with the office stationery?

greetings
Mar

He only has the machinery, which told me he bought. . ..probably leased them and so here's what the item is due to...

tools and various equipment have limited weight. . .