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[Exatem]

but what bulb you want to remove, I'm working on it... I'll break your arms if you don't do the good.

wait max, today I adjusted the orders according to the bolzone and the insellatura (minima) that it follows. Let's get them as soon as possible.
if the bulb loses time, can we do without and add it later after modeling it calmly? in such case you replenish the order of bow (domains).

 

[maxopus]

wait max, today I adjusted the orders according to the bolzone and the insellatura (minima) that it follows. Let's get them as soon as possible.
if the bulb loses time, can we do without and add it later after modeling it calmly? in such case you replenish the order of bow (domains).

va bene, fammi sapere.

 

[Exatem]

va bene, fammi sapere.

We're giving in... This weekend I would like you to work:

 

[sampom]

wait max, today I adjusted the orders according to the bolzone and the insellatura (minima) that it follows. Let's get them as soon as possible.
if the bulb loses time, can we do without and add it later after modeling it calmly? in such case you replenish the order of bow (domains).

va bene, fammi sapere.

Here is another iges extrapolated by the last efforts of our commander.
forgive exatem if I made some corrections as far as I was able to see it. there are certainly other imperfections but I trust in the mastery of maxopus (and the other "superficials". fulvio, you too) to correct as he best believes; "strange" points, curves not perfect, lacking tangences, conjunctions remained open etc. etc., correct and "liscia" quietly to your need; by now the hull is that, it will not be a few cm of difference to upset us the project. rather once a beautiful surface is obtained, the order will be made according to that, according to the method of Roman fulvio that at the end by inexperience that I seem simpler. . Since we're building ex novo.
View attachment LAODICE ORDINATE DI STUDIO 15-04-2010.rargreetings to all and good work:biggrin:

Marco:smile:

 

[Exatem]

Here is another iges extrapolated by the last efforts of our commander.
forgive exatem if I made some corrections as far as I was able to see it. there are certainly other imperfections but I trust in the mastery of maxopus (and the other "superficials". fulvio, you too) to correct as he best believes; "strange" points, curves not perfect, lacking tangences, conjunctions remained open etc. etc., correct and "liscia" quietly to your need; by now the hull is that, it will not be a few cm of difference to upset us the project. rather once a beautiful surface is obtained, the order will be made according to that, according to the method of Roman fulvio that at the end by inexperience that I seem simpler. . Since we're building ex novo.
greetings to all and good work:

rightly sampom made me notice some irregularities that came out after insellating our ship. having extended the walls I had changed therefore the quotas relative to the semi-widths. Moreover there were other imperfections that did not escape the careful eye of rotten.
(I'm sure the president is right, you are tremendous!)
but as I said, it is a slow, boring work of refinement but that slowly we count to solve.
Now sam is verifying that the corrections are precisely "running" after which will make the file available.
I also corrected that ugly edge that appeared on the stern.
I repeat what I said, if you want me to clear the bulb, let me know.
Will it be good?
Greetings to everyone.

 

[sampom]

rightly sampom made me notice some irregularities that came out after insellating our ship. having extended the walls I had changed therefore the quotas relative to the semi-widths. Moreover there were other imperfections that did not escape the careful eye of rotten.
(I'm sure the president is right, you are tremendous!)
but as I said, it is a slow, boring work of refinement but that slowly we count to solve.
Now sam is verifying that the corrections are precisely "running" after which will make the file available.
I also corrected that ugly edge that appeared on the stern.
I repeat what I said, if you want me to clear the bulb, let me know.
Will it be good?
Greetings to everyone.

cancel and replace previous:
View attachment ORDINATE DI STUDIO 16-04-2010.rarFurther adjustments (the bow still had imperfections and missed unions/tangencies), then I would say enough exatem. I wouldn't touch anything at this stage anymore.
it is always worth that the "modellators" on the basis of this "skeleton" have freedom of action to smooth as best they feel appropriate (because perfect is not yet).
Perhaps some explanations about the procedures adopted and the problems encountered.

greetings
Marco:smile:

 

[maxopus]

Will you tell me when the data is final?

 

[Exatem]

Will you tell me when the data is final?

according to sam with the latest version he posted, given your skills, you should be able to pull out something good. always remains the bulb problem that for your parameters would probably require a more dense and precise lattice. as I told you wanting I can correct the orderly interested by removing the bulb that we will add later since lightning has already shaped one.
see you, we are in your hands. :finger:
hello max.

 

[maxopus]

Okay, then I'll get to work.
for the bulb I try and let you know.

 

[maxopus]

In the meantime, I realized an analysis of the curves provided by samp.
I put a screenshot of the analysis itself so that you can see it.
at this point there are 2 possible roads and, if you want, we will walk them both:
1) quality surfaces are realized and therefore we move away from the curves;
2) we realize surfaces of "bad" quality and we are "attached" to the curves;

of course take with pliers my concept of bad quality applied to the naval field.
I start from different assumptions, those of the automotive and motorcycling sectors, which require an absolute quality for bodywork and aesthetic parts.

I look forward to your opinion in the meantime.

 

[Exatem]

In the meantime, I realized an analysis of the curves provided by samp.
I put a screenshot of the analysis itself so that you can see it.
at this point there are 2 possible roads and, if you want, we will walk them both:
1) quality surfaces are realized and therefore we move away from the curves;
2) we realize surfaces of "bad" quality and we are "attached" to the curves;

of course take with pliers my concept of bad quality applied to the naval field.
I start from different assumptions, those of the automotive and motorcycling sectors, which require an absolute quality for bodywork and aesthetic parts.

I look forward to your opinion in the meantime.

Okay max.
I believe, that the level of precision we are pushing towards, is actually "exaggerated" for what is actually a ship. I am talking about ships and not yachts of relatively modest size made of resins or whose plates are wisely smoothed. you will certainly have noticed by looking at the walls of a ship, which they are not so regular but are a succession of protrusions and poisonings, always in the order of a few mm, but still present. ours, however, is a limit case, where the hull made of steel, while exceeding 105 meters, must appear "perfect". with which it is possible to make renderings like those of f_cherrybomb to mean us. Therefore dear max I believe that if with current information, you get quality surfaces, it is preferable. then from these surfaces, we will echo our orders that at this point, should be precise.
It is not the classic method of construction, but I think I can believe that ours is an exercise that must be educational/formative, but it must also "pay the eye".
I still expect to know your comments/opinions.
p.s. how do you read those lines (pettini?) starting from the selected orders? are the analysis of the curvature but how do they interpret? Sorry the question that will seem trivial to you. . .
Hello and thank you.

 

[maxopus]

Okay max.
p.s. how do you read those lines (pettini?) starting from the selected orders? are the analysis of the curvature but how do they interpret? Sorry the question that will seem trivial to you. . .
Hello and thank you.

This is how they read:
the curvature, as the vast majority of us know, is the reverse of the ray.
the curvature analysis makes you understand if a curve has a trend with a convexity or constant concavity.
in the case of me posted the fact that the "pettini" have a rough run and that they go continuously over and under the curve make you understand that the curve has many flexo points.

put an example of a curve analysis with uniform pattern.

 

[Exatem]

This is how they read:
the curvature, as the vast majority of us know, is the reverse of the ray.
the curvature analysis makes you understand if a curve has a trend with a convexity or constant concavity.
in the case of me posted the fact that the "pettini" have a rough run and that they go continuously over and under the curve make you understand that the curve has many flexo points.

put an example of a curve analysis with uniform pattern.

Thank you.

 

[Exatem]

during sailing in that ocean that is the internet, it happens to land in unknown places, sometimes insignificant, sometimes interesting.
so between this
immensity drowns my thinker:
and the shipwreck is sweet to me in this sea.
I welcome the President (and all the others)http://www.dieselserviceandsupply.com/power_calculator.aspx#kvatokwthat could prove to be of useful interest.
p.s. sorry the poetic license but the vermentino was good...:biggrin:
especially if it accompanies an hour of lence.. .

 

[sampom]

Will you tell me when the data is final?

the last post è the definitive data (also because it is enough, I would like to use time to analyze other types of "rigues" and curves :biggrin.
proceed as you know, adjusting to your need.

Okay max.
I believe, that the level of precision we are pushing towards, is actually "exaggerated" for what is actually a ship. I am talking about ships and not yachts of relatively modest size made of resins or whose plates are wisely smoothed. you will certainly have noticed by looking at the walls of a ship, which they are not so regular but are a succession of protrusions and poisonings, always in the order of a few mm, but still present. ours, however, is a limit case, where the hull made of steel, while exceeding 105 meters, must appear "perfect". with which it is possible to make renderings like those of f_cherrybomb to mean us. Therefore dear max I believe that if with current information, you get quality surfaces, it is preferable. then from these surfaces, we will echo our orders that at this point, should be precise.
It is not the classic method of construction, but I think I can believe that ours is an exercise that must be educational/formative, but it must also "pay the eye".
I still expect to know your comments/opinions.
p.s. how do you read those lines (pettini?) starting from the selected orders? are the analysis of the curvature but how do they interpret? Sorry the question that will seem trivial to you. . .
Hello and thank you.

when design/design/model I always try to do it with the objective: the construction in the workshop must be as simple as possible; the installation in the yard must be free from doubts and interpretations. drawings are faithful and provide la solution, not a simple indication.

I am well aware that a "pezzo" of more than 100 meters of sheet metal will be far from absolute precision, but not knowing neither read nor write (they are not of "this" craft), I vien to say that if we start from a clean basic silhouette and "round" will also facilitate the successive phases.
the ordered ones remake, having the surfaces is no longer a problem and it takes a moment. also for the construction of the order / ribs will be easier to follow a continuous and defined profile.. exatem stop me if I say caxxate.. and the cutting and laying of the sheets will also be facilitated, better to lean on a floor that on a surface all drafts and steps not?
within the limits of tolerances also the final result will be good.
the approximations inevitably in progress of work there will be, but there is nothing to be "precise" at least in this phase of first drafting, facilitated also by softwares that indeed like precision ( fortunately or unfortunately? ).

then maxopus straightens everything you feel appropriate and/or facilitates work (add guidelines if it is the case).
and thinks that we will not have to build a mold to the cn, but a huge structure constituted by more heavy and unmanageable large parts.. Don't let us pull behind the hammer from the carpenters.

greetings
Marco:smile:

 

[Er Presidente]

... let's not get behind the hammer from the carpenters.

greetings
Marco:smile:

That's right!
the "curve" hammers!
in space and beyond!!!! !

 

[maxopus]

This is what comes out with the curves posted.
In the next few days I take you out what I say:biggrin::biggrin:.

 

[Exatem]

the last post è the definitive data (also because it is enough, I would like to spend time analyzing other types of "rigues" and curves.
proceed as you know, adjusting to your need.

I am well aware that a "pezzo" of more than 100 meters of sheet metal will be far from absolute precision, but not knowing neither read nor write (they are not of "this" craft), I vien to say that if we start from a clean basic silhouette and "round" will also facilitate the successive phases.
the ordered ones remake, having the surfaces is no longer a problem and it takes a moment.

In fact I said that the construction plan is a process in continuous evolution. in our case, the process has pushed far beyond.
logically, having nice regular surfaces and smooth, we will get ordered "perfects".
but to get to have these surfaces, we had to start from a draft that hand, slowly, has evolved continuously. like a caterpillar that turns into a thief.

This is what comes out with the curves posted.
I'll get you out of the next few days

Now I will look at what you have done: eek: but I have no doubt that it will be an excellent job.:finger:
you have to start cutting the plates.... :wink:

 

[maxopus]

Now I will look at what you have done: eek: but I have no doubt that it will be an excellent job.:finger:
you have to start cutting the plates.... :wink:

What thicknesses and sizes are used?
for development which factor is used ?

 

[maxopus]

This is a piece of the hull made according to the system I told you.
is slightly shaken by the lines but, the quality is very different.
Try to overlap the curves and let me know what you think.
hasta the view