solidworks 2010: desktop vs workstation

[Corrado Tamiozzo]

Bye to all,

design from a few years large series mechanical components (the pneumatic industry) with solidworks.

I currently use solidworks 2010 on a workstation ibm intellistation z pro.

in the next few months I would like to change the machine and solidworks recommends the top range hp (z800).

considering that:
- not use large assemblies
- not model aesthetic surfaces
- I don't work with pdm...

Do you think I should buy a workstation or just a great desktop?

Thank you.

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[ddn]

Well, if you don't render, it seems a bit exaggerated to me the xeon... I would take an i7 with a good mb and invest more on the video card

 

[marcof]

in the next few months I would like to change the machine and solidworks recommends the top range hp (z800).
considering that:
- not use large assemblies
- not model aesthetic surfaces
- I don't work with pdm...

Do you think I should buy a workstation or just a great desktop?

I, for several reasons, use swx practically only on the laptop of the m4400. Larger assemblies generally have from 1800 to 2500 components and work there without too much stress. for even rather complex parts goes rocket, for assemblies of not too complex parts up to 7-800 components goes rocket. . .
what really matters is having a video card certified otheruments can be pains.

 

[sampom]

considering that:
- not use large assemblies
- not model aesthetic surfaces
- I don't work with pdm...

You think I should buy a workstation or it can be enoughexcellent desktop?

grazie.

is more than enough a Good desktop; processor and hd fast and obviously sk picture video.
assembled and configured perfectly with quality components from competent people.. "tempi alla mano" you will have nothing to envy to the most blasphemed ws.
by now you will choose clearly os to 64bit to be able to exploit at least 6 gb of ram.

greetings
Marco:smile:

 

[meccanicamg]

is more than enough a Good desktop; processor and hd fast and obviously sk picture video.
assembled and configured perfectly with quality components from competent people.. "tempi alla mano" you will have nothing to envy to the most blasphemed ws.
by now you will choose clearly os to 64bit to be able to exploit at least 6 gb of ram.

greetings
Marco:smile:

Just like I do. cmq better 8gb ram, 4 2 gb slot in dual channel

 

[sampom]

. cmq better 8gb ram, 4 2 gb slot in dual channel

the "new" processors i7 et similia (and the last xeon analogs) work best with ram ddr3 (and now on new machines they mount those), which are triple channel (then they mount in multiple of 3 units).
dedicated mobos generally have 3 x 2 memory benches and 8gb can no longer be combined (in a profitable and sensible way I mean); from 6 to 12 gb.

greetings
Mar

 

[meccanicamg]

the "new" processors i7 et similia (and the last xeon analogs) work best with ram ddr3 (and now on new machines they mount those), which are triple channel (then they mount in multiple of 3 units).
dedicated mobos generally have 3 x 2 memory benches and 8gb can no longer be combined (in a profitable and sensible way I mean); from 6 to 12 gb.

greetings
Mar

You rogue. I missed this. thanks x l'nfo:finger:

 

[Ste_d]

the technology advances... sin having to install so 64 bits to make the most of these things. About the picture I have a low-end but where can I download specific drivers for sw?! is there something to be set up in particular to make the most of it? !

 

[cacciatorino]

If what you need to do is to design pneumatic actuators like sleds or cylinders, I think any video card and any 32-bit system will work well. Obviously we recommend the painting to avoid potential problems, I still used geforce for many years with considerable satisfaction.

However do not save on the fans, in the sense of choosing them expensive as super-silent, the silent machine is a thing that long by satisfaction, and maybe spend also for a nice mouse and a nice screen, in short, made a very ergonomic post!

you can also see to take a 3d mouse, so much with assemblies of a few dozen components will definitely work well.

if instead in the future you would think of making animations for marketing needs (such as a tire cardan operated in sequence etc etc) then maybe there will be a machine of a certain class to have good results.

 

[meccanicamg]

If what you need to do is to design pneumatic actuators like sleds or cylinders, I think any video card and any 32-bit system will work well. Obviously we recommend the painting to avoid potential problems, I still used geforce for many years with considerable satisfaction.

However do not save on the fans, in the sense of choosing them expensive as super-silent, the silent machine is a thing that long by satisfaction, and maybe spend also for a nice mouse and a nice screen, in short, made a very ergonomic post!

you can also see to take a 3d mouse, so much with assemblies of a few dozen components will definitely work well.

if instead in the future you would think of making animations for marketing needs (such as a tire cardan operated in sequence etc etc) then maybe there will be a machine of a certain class to have good results.

I use the geforce moddates in picture and sincerely go better than some low-end picture

 

[cacciatorino]

I use the geforce moddates in picture and sincerely go better than some low-end picture

But can you still? I finally got out of my way with the shoreline and bought me two fx4000 and fx3450 to 100 euro cad on ebay.

 

[meccanicamg]

It's so simple: install shore tuner, launch it, go to the box and select the corresponding picture. download the drivers and install them. as if you do it x a new computer formatting.... the laptop is fine .... My picture fx 570.
but I didn't overcloak it, only activated the additional functions...so it only goes better without heating

 

[sampom]

I use the geforce moddates in picture and sincerely go better than some low-end picture

But can you still? .

Yeah. at least until the 8xxx series. with the new ones it is no longer possible (.. and I would hope to be denied), different/dedicated gpus.

I also like to cuff with modding and overclocking. with the processors I have always done it, then I started with a gefo 7600 in fx560, changed (but always ready in box to set up any mule) with a fx3500 "official". now from a couple of months I've been "testing" an old gtx8800 that I finally recovered on ebay to the small amount of 40 euros; moddata in fx5600 is a missile.. that heats equally:biggrin: but holds (as said before obvious that the house is stravented) and does its duty. in the company on the new ws of the we have the fx3800 (and xeon 5550) and to feeling not known differences.

regarding the processors I would like to reiterate that the frequency is very important, and the oc is a manna from the sky, although not extreme but targeted and under control.
I understand that for the profession you do not want to take risks, but here at home I delight myself with rising frequencies and problems I have never had.
What I hate about "official" ws is the armor of the system.. I'd like all the components I say and be able to put our hand at will, open bios etc. etc.
now (from a year) here travel with a q9550 2.6 cloaked to 3.4 quietly in daily, and caspita the difference you notice.
before I had a dual 6750 2.66 @ 3.66 and that gigahz extra made it fly (also this now moult)! all always and only in air.

as soon as the i7 920 will approach the 150 euros I will change the system (for now I don't feel the need), and that you throw it quiet beyond the 4 ghz.

greetings
Marco:smile:

 

[re_solidworks]

in my opinion for swx you can do well with little. a very good assembly could be:

case cooler master elite 332 (32 euro with 1 120 mm fan)
1 additional 120 mm fan
power supply cooler master or enermax 600 w
mainboard asus p5q-turbo
cpu intel e7500
ram 8 gb (4 x 2 gb) ddr2 1066 mhz
hd seagate es.2 500 gb sata 7200 rpm
vga picture fx 1800 768 mb
win 7 pro x64

a pc so should cost around the 1000 € iva included and for swx it goes well also for quite complex assemblies.

It seems to me that the new i7 (or xeon equivalents) in modeling do not bring great benefits. possibly to increase the cpu you could switch to an e8500 with its mainboard that supports the 1333 mhz ram.

 

[sampom]

in my opinion for swx you can do well with little. a very good assembly could be:

houses cooler master elite 332 (32 euro with 1 120 mm fan)
1 additional 120 mm fan 6.46th power supply cooler master or enermax 600 w 81.95th
mainboard asus p5q-turbo 88.85thcpu intel e7500 98.45th
ram 8 gb (4 x 2 gb) ddr2 1066 mhz 98.12eur x2hd swinegate es.2 500 gb sata 7200 rpm 60.00° x2vga quadro fx 1800 768 mb 490.00eur
win 7 pro x64 122.60eur oema pc so should cost around the 1000 € iva included and for swx it goes well also for quite complex assemblies.

I agree, even if that configuration with quality components passes the 1200 eu (listino hardware planet.it) and a 25 eu of the burner is missing.
to start/try you could survive on the picture and find a moddable gefo (repeto, 8800gtx @quadrfx5600) saving a 400 eu, I saw on ebay that still someone is located.
possibly could be a second purchase or next gift:wink::smile:

..ah, and the processor with that mobo reaches higher class frequencies.

greetings
Mar

 

[cesius79]

How? ?all overclockers and no one cools liquid? How come? almost absolute silence, freshness from "in my underwear there is enlightenment". ...
relative cost..if you hand out some also on the waterblocks you are affixed!

 

[sampom]

How? ?all overclockers and no one cools liquid? How come? almost absolute silence, freshness from "in my underwear there is enlightenment". ...
relative cost..if you hand out some also on the waterblocks you are affixed!

I said precisely that for non-extreme and under control, as it must be for professional machines, a good air dissipator and suitable houses is sufficient.
of course that to climb further it takes the liquid.. and excellent mastery of techniques.

then I will tell you that the noise of the fans does not bother me so much, indeed it gives me a certain "security":biggrin:

greetings
Marco:smile:

 

[re_solidworks]

that case I recommended is indicated, it mounts 120 mm front and rear fans. I have one and you don't feel it going, but the components are always cold.
Now I get a ge force 8800....

x sampom:
Have you ever hacked on win 7? I heard that on seven you can't. on xpx64 did you manage? I would have 7 licenses to use and if I can make modding purchase the components immediately. . .

 

[re_solidworks]

the technology advances... sin having to install so 64 bits to make the most of these things....

Why sin? 32 or 64 for the user does not change anything. the compatibility of the software is the same in sight or seven, a software compatible with view or seven to 32 is also 64.

Also on xp I never had compatibility problems and I tried to install on x64 also some game. I am using studio pinnacle on xpx64 (version 10.5) and it turns better than on 32 bits!

 

[sampom]

x sampom:
Have you ever hacked on win 7? I heard that on seven you can't. on xpx64 did you manage? I would have 7 licenses to use and if I can make modding purchase the components immediately. . .

No, no.
here at home on xp pro 32bit.
on the ws we have w7, but on material not mine I do not do these tests; I limit myself to optimize/lighten the know.

I honestly can't tell you if this is possible with seven, I don't remember reading anything about it.
and in the same way I can not guarantee also for xp that the mod functions always and anyway, there are conflicting news about it. At the end it's a matter of "fuck."
to me "turn everything well", the card is a xfx (8800gtx) and to feel the performance there are, the real wiew of swx is activated and the know immediately recognizes it as fx5600. you install all the latest frame drivers.
I have not done tests with benchmark softwares and will certainly not be identical to the original picture (this is known, the mod is a subterfuge "provisory", obvious that a true picture would be better), but I repeat, to feeling it is better than the gefo and the lower level picture.

Ah, _,
I just read that they also managed with seven (always conflicting opinions..:smile. .
I don't place the source because I think it's a "competitive" forum.

for the gtx eye only to the power, it is very exosissima. then power supply at least 600w "modern" (even more if you have so much attached stuff) and 2 12v pcixpress cables dedicated only to sk; or 4 with the classic Mole and adapters. instability and power failure affect the operation

greetings
Marco:smile: