anti-piracy agreement

[The_Matrix]

milan — 11 October 2010 — representatives of 37 nations (including Italy) who, together, constitute more than half of world trade, jointly signed the agreement that imposes criminal penalties on those who break software licenses or implements other forms of piracy aimed at obtaining commercial advantages.
the multilateral agreement known as an acta (anti-counterfeiting trade agreement) contributes to the so-called trips (i.e. trade-related aspects of intellectual property rights), within the world trade organization’s agreement, in order to create a new and updated international pact to fight piracy and counterfeiting.
the new agreement also commits the signatories to provide for sanctions in their respective national laws to reward copyright holders from the damages resulting from infringements of intellectual property they are holding.
experience shows that fixing ex lege criminal sanctions is essential if you want to contribute to a decisive reduction in the rate of piracy in your country; and compensations guarantee rights holders a proper legal mechanism that guarantees the recovery of losses incurred when their products are used illegally.
“This is a very important agreement” – commented Robert Holleyman, president and CEO of business software alliance – “as it generates new, solid tools to fight piracy and counterfeiting, comparable to those already in force in the United States, a $51 billion problem for the software industry globally. the text of the agreement was released a few days ago and we wait to see it again in the details as soon as possible. It comforts us that the 37 signatory nations of the acta are all declaring through their actions that share the essentiality of asserting respect for intellectual property for technological progress and economic development of their system.
in ron kirk (representative of the us trade) and his colleagues of the nations who participated in the work goes all our gratitude and esteem for the result achieved”.
the signatories of the acta are the United States, Australia, Canada, the European Union with all its 27 member states (including of course Italian), Japan, Mexico, Morocco, new zelanda, singapore, South Korean and Swiss.
for more information on acta agreements, you can visit the site www.ustr.gov/acta.

 

[IPdesign]

strangely there is no wool

 

[beppino]

strangely there is no wool

and not even india.
Strange, huh? ? ?

 

[SER.CAD]

then in bologna there are large technical studies that work on nx to continuous cycle 24h on 24h taking advantage of the time zone with the india, in the morning arrive great parasolid of motion and scooters from the "net" of Indian "casalinghi" suppliers ... immediately arranged, radiated and corrected by a few Italians ...

Good!

 

[The_Matrix]

then in bologna there are large technical studies that work on nx to continuous cycle 24h on 24h taking advantage of the time zone with the india, in the morning arrive great parasolid of motion and scooters from the "net" of Indian "casalinghi" suppliers ... immediately arranged, radiated and corrected by a few Italians ...

Good!

I don't think it's forbidden or against the law?

 

[MBT]

is not prohibited or illegal even to say to an external study
"if you want, I'll pay you 20€/hour! if you're okay, if you don't.
it is not prohibited or illegal even claim that in those 20€/now the character you pay us also 1390 € to arrange the license after a change hw

In fact, thinking about it, there are many things not prohibited or illegal... But if he makes her a poor man become a symbol of misery, if he makes her a "great" is a symbol of cunning

 

[IPdesign]

is not prohibited or illegal even to say to an external study
"if you want, I'll pay you 20€/hour! if you're okay, if you don't.
it is not prohibited or illegal even claim that in those 20€/now the character you pay us also 1390 € to arrange the license after a change hw

In fact, thinking about it, there are many things not prohibited or illegal... But if he makes her a poor man become a symbol of misery, if he makes her a "great" is a symbol of cunning

on the legal/illegal border rivers of ink were consumed and many others will write.
as always those who are smart "great" use on 24 hours, who can't fight against unequal weapons competition.
but I would like to bring back the question in topic by inviting mbt to avoid, at least in this tread to refer to the story of 1390€, unconscious true, but there is a special tread where we have already expressed .

I would like to thank the 37 countries who have joined, but to sign an understanding document does not mean anything to me.
I believe that the vast regular basin is waiting to see what real repercussions these agreements have on the real market and above all see what their actions are.
If you find me 5 abusive a year I don't think the market notices, but if these 5 become 50 or 500 then it's a signal that something moves.

but it would be interesting to know what actions it is able to make siemens for those countries that have rejected membership.
countries that are making us shoes with a competition that obviously would not define properly "correct".

 

[Mastro1976]

the truth is that they are always the usual ones that pay and that they must "stay in the rules" and then close for the usual "furbi", but also if I can choose on the market what costs less if the quality I consider it sufficient (or at least the perceived one). .
However apart from so many speeches heard and resentful that ultimately lead to a good nothing, I would say that we should demand from the software house a treatment at least worthy, if I want not to pay the update one year, I should be able to return years after a political price, for example, I would like to be able to receive only updates without technical assistance, I would like the cads to communicate with each other, I would like to have some rights every day answer to answer to thousand duties...

 

[The_Matrix]

Maybe it wasn't clear the meaning of my message.
There is nothing to do with this: No need to be aggressive.
It is a general agreement concerning our country and the 37 other signatory countries.
Unfortunately you cannot force a country to sign the protocol, as you could not force everyone to sign that of kyoto.

in general you can not think of being competitive on prices with india or cina. if you think you have already lost in the start.
I use for my work colleagues Indians who pay half the lowest price I can get here... with the quality, competence and dedication I can expect from a low price.. .

I put it in the ug forum because I feel it "my house". If ip wants to move it for me there's no problem.

 

[beppino]

Unfortunately you cannot force a country to sign the protocol, as you could not force everyone to sign that of kyoto.

I don't think anyone wants to be aggressive.
However, I think that if the two largest countries (for population and industrial aggression) do not sign, the agreement does not serve at all, if not to facilitate the software-house, the road to "batch cash" to the usual known ones.
as it rightly says ip, to the average of users, does not affect the agreement in itself (however thanks to having posted it), but it would interest to know if (all) the software-house, do something to "batch cash" even in the non-signatorial countries.

However, this is just my opinion.

 

[Matteo]

Since I have to deal with software resale, I have been able to estimate that the damage of "piracy", at least for sc, is huge (the same order of magnitude of turnover!).

I think, however, that you acknowledge how this is utopia... like emptying the sea with a glass.

piracy should be fought with a different "form" of resale, with greater support to the network (cloud), a more modern management of the concept of intellectual property.

 

[SER.CAD]

I don't think it's forbidden or against the law?

does not center legality! but if I am a licensed professional and I ask to collaborate with the study in question, but I feel that 20euro/hours are too many ... because I have to shock also the license and maintenance ... what Indians do not do because they work "pirated" ... in fact they use nx2 or nx4 ... what I have to do ... ask game iva to sell the house bring me behind the pcs and the disk with all things pulled down with the mule and set up ! !

then work with a study of bologna!!! !

Take these gentlemen that you know them well... and put some pepper on his tail!

 

[Mastro1976]

quoto in toto sercad and I add that if I were the client I do not know if it would be good to know that my project travels the world...the copyright is not only for software

 

[The_Matrix]

We talked about anti-piracy agreements between countries. that if they do not accept the agreement they will have their interests.
no one is sovereign at home of others and speeches to go to competition to the Indian who earns 20$/day do not think are appropriate in this speech.
And it's not about siemens. .

 

[IPdesign]

Maybe it wasn't clear the meaning of my message.
There is nothing to do with this: No need to be aggressive.
It is a general agreement concerning our country and the 37 other signatory countries.
Unfortunately you cannot force a country to sign the protocol, as you could not force everyone to sign that of kyoto.

in general you can not think of being competitive on prices with india or cina. if you think you have already lost in the start.
I use for my work colleagues Indians who pay half the lowest price I can get here... with the quality, competence and dedication I can expect from a low price.. .

I put it in the ug forum because I feel it "my house". If ip wants to move it for me there's no problem.

I'm sorry if you felt aggressive my intervention, actually I wanted to damp the tones on the speech we know.
I should like to say that the debate is here, and it is obvious that there is controversy.

the important thing is that you create a dialogue without exaggerating

 

[ceschi1959]

I don't think it's forbidden or against the law?

the use of illegal software is prohibited, if then illegal software produces 'cleaned' parasolids and the client knows not how much this is legal/correct.
I think that there are some discussion on the traceability used in agriculture, for example.
why not make interchange formats traceable?
Mr President, I should like to congratulate the rapporteur on his report.

 

[Tequila]

by me having in the past had to deal with files coming from abroad cause various commissions, I had requested that I certify the originality of the software (solid edge in my case). one of these sent me the data to control the veracity of what he said, while another did not. at the time it was about the v17 and the control of the files generated illegally was not there, but I remember that for this we tried to lower the price of the commission and in the end after several discussions we had changed design studio.
currently if I have to collaborate with externals with native files if, before moving a leaf I confirm that they have licensed software.

 

[cacciatorino]

currently if I have to collaborate with externals with native files if, before moving a leaf I confirm that they have licensed software.

It's not that in this way you're going to keep them more than once, the supplier might have a license in order and n pirates and with the time of justice in Italy there wouldn't be a way to get a possible damage from block production cause 0x248....

 

[Tequila]

It's not that in this way you're going to keep them more than once, the supplier might have a license in order and n pirates and with the time of justice in Italy there wouldn't be a way to get a possible damage from block production cause 0x248....

I know this well, but if it were to happen in addition to the complaint that it would leave to you if it had not yet been paid I would block the payment. My owner is aware of this and knows well that in case of blocking it would lose beyond data even hours to find and fix the problem and since nowadays you look also the 5 more minutes of design to reduce costs the thing does not go unnoticed.

 

[The_Matrix]

I'm sorry if you felt aggressive my intervention, actually I wanted to damp the tones on the speech we know.
I should like to say that the debate is here, and it is obvious that there is controversy.

the important thing is that you create a dialogue without exaggerating

I didn't tell you anything. .
It's just that I've posted a news about an agreement between nations and immediately the usual laughing at siemens. .