pdm: what do you use and what the vs judgment?

[lucacasa]

hi, having to evaluate the purchase of a pdm to help us in the works to commit, I started the research, I must say that for "pdm solidworks" on the net is not found much, always appear the usual...

I read this old treadhttp://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=14862 and now I would like to ask you to indicate:
- which pdm used
- a vs general judgment (pro/counter)
- reference link address

from which to take stock and to end our reasonings.

Thank you.
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[Kakisan]

Hello, luca.
we in the company have installed for a couple of years I break pdm works enterprise, which now should call itself enterprise pdm.
I would say that the choice was good, also because we made it in 8 to develop it appropriately at the beginning, with workflows, creation of the distinct techniques calculated, codifiche, ricodifiche, cloning mecchine and groups, cycles of revision, implementation of external files, libraries, procedures...beh, a workmanship.
definitely is a very rigid system, in the sense that it is difficult to bypass it to do what you would do with the cad in local mode
First we had cc of siemens, but we are an average company (about 30 licenses installed), so we were also little followed, now instead we can not complain of technical supproto.
Let me know if they need any more explanations.
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[re_solidworks]

My opinion is quite clear. we say that it depends very much on what objectives you put on, what product you make and how your company is structured.
If for example your company was a multinational with 20 locations in the world is 250 jobs I would not recommend you ready but pdmworks enterprise.
in the end only direct contact with commercials and a demo are indispensable to compare your needs with the possibilities of various products on the market.

 

[furius]

... very delicate theme and with a lot of variables. . .
I would say that an important discriminant is to define what the boundaries of your pdm are...
- if it is enough to stay in the technical office and manage in a simple, effective and flexible way the files, their approval process and perhaps build custom tasks to automate some processes like prints, pdf generation, dxf etc... then a great product is dbworks (www.mechworks.it), Italian product (developed to bo) rather diffused because it resold until a few years ago as newmacut (re) (now no longer revised for political choices. . . )
- if you have to go out of technical office, go to other business functions (or external to the company) to share, distribute and collaborate on some projects with external entities to technical office (in other words go towards a more plm system than pdm), then I recommend to take a look at another Italian product: ruledesigner (www.ruledesigner.com)

of course there are many other products similar to the two mentioned... but these two that I personally know are both recommended depending on the context and the needs in which we find ourselves

Good choice.. .

 

[edlxyp]

hi, having to evaluate the purchase of a pdm to help us in the works to commit, I started the research, I must say that for "pdm solidworks" on the net is not found much, always appear the usual...

I read this old treadhttp://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=14862 and now I would like to ask you to indicate:
- which pdm used
- a vs general judgment (pro/counter)
- reference link address

from which to take stock and to end our reasonings.

Thank you.
♪

from a few years solidworks has announced its own product pdm (pdmworks enterprise), I would first evaluate that.
I have experienced on my skin in the past that having a single cad+pdm supplier solves so many problems (alignment, correctives, etc.).
then, clearly, if for functionality does not satisfy you the speech changes.
Say hi.

 

[re_solidworks]

from a few years solidworks has announced its own product pdm (pdmworks enterprise), I would first evaluate that.
I have experienced on my skin in the past that having a single cad+pdm supplier solves so many problems (alignment, correctives, etc.).
then, clearly, if for functionality does not satisfy you the speech changes.
Say hi.

mr. solidworks does not sell in Italy but retailers are substantially 2: solidworld and newmacut.
both sell enterprise pdmworks, as solidworks imposes them a product sales bbudget. both sell products "of their production", for example newmacut sells dbcent and sold dbworks. solidworld sold dbworks and sold ready2works (at least in some branches).

pdmworks enterprise is greater indicated for large companies with problems related to managing multiple locations, in this is very strong.
But there is to say that this is just a pdm, it does not have any help to the designer, if you need something special you have to make it programme for you with the costs that follow it. also the ribbed license not little.

ready2works has a lot of workshops that daily facilitate the work of the designer and is a product targeted more to the small/medium company rather than to the multinational. this is not reductive as in the small company there are many more chances of success with ready compared to pdmenterprise.
also readysolutions, as a solidworld branch sells pdmworks enterprise and are their sellers/technicians who recommend this product in realities where it seems to fit better than ready.

at the end as you see all solidworks sellers sell also other, and I assure you that in the other they know better to put their hands as product in their home.

 

[edlxyp]

... very delicate theme and with a lot of variables. . .
I would say that an important discriminant is to define what the boundaries of your pdm are...
- if it is enough to stay in the technical office and manage in a simple, effective and flexible way the files, their approval process and perhaps build custom tasks to automate some processes like prints, pdf generation, dxf etc... then a great product is dbworks (www.mechworks.it), Italian product (developed to bo) rather diffused because it resold until a few years ago as newmacut (re) (now no longer revised for political choices. . . )
- if you have to go out of technical office, go to other business functions (or external to the company) to share, distribute and collaborate on some projects with external entities to technical office (in other words go towards a more plm system than pdm), then I recommend to take a look at another Italian product: ruledesigner (www.ruledesigner.com)

of course there are many other products similar to the two mentioned... but these two that I personally know are both recommended depending on the context and the needs in which we find ourselves

Good choice.. .

all the products mentioned I knew them (as the friend says at first are + or - always the usual), ruledesigner I missed, so, being in vacation, I made a round.
I see a site all in English (poor bad, but for an Italian product ...) and navigates-naviga I think I understand it is developed by a cesena company, solidedge dealer and has no certification for solidworks (if I'm not mistaken it has for inventor).
now (believing the good faith of all) I ask you: Do you think you should advise our friend to stick in this adventure with all the proprietary products and not that they already turn around solidworks?
I repeat my advice, verified on my skin: evaluate the features and, if there are, prefer the product of the direct manufacturer, even if it costs a little more.
greetings and good holidays to all

 

[AndreaL]

I'm sorry if I take this discussion, but... a question: can a pdm change the file names using certain custom property values? e.g. if I put in a "form"=tondo property and a "measure"=32 can rename the file with a type code: t-32 keeping all connections in the assemblies?

Thank you.

 

[RuleDesigner]

all the products mentioned I knew them (as the friend says at first are + or - always the usual), ruledesigner I missed, so, being in vacation, I made a round.
I see a site all in English (poor bad, but for an Italian product ...) and navigates-naviga I think I understand it is developed by a cesena company, solidedge dealer and has no certification for solidworks (if I'm not mistaken it has for inventor).
now (believing the good faith of all) I ask you: Do you think you should advise our friend to stick in this adventure with all the proprietary products and not that they already turn around solidworks?
I repeat my advice, verified on my skin: evaluate the features and, if there are, prefer the product of the direct manufacturer, even if it costs a little more.
greetings and good holidays to all

There are some inaccuracies that is my duty to clarify.

It is not true that the site
www.ruledesigner.com only in English.. .

is enough to crush the Italian flag, or access through
www.ruledesigner.it Moreover it is not true that we are solid edge retailers, our company was the research and development division of engineering spa (more var solid edge in Italy) but was made autonomous through spin-off in 2004 with the name engineering plm solutions.
and today we have many customers on solidworks, inventor, catiav5, autocad, gbg, cadra, me10 as well as naturally solidedge.

engineering plm solutions for ruledesigner solutions is certified (and is specified on our website and companies) solidworks, inventor, as well as of course solid edge.

 

[RuleDesigner]

from a few years solidworks has announced its own product pdm (pdmworks enterprise), I would first evaluate that.
I have experienced on my skin in the past that having a single cad+pdm supplier solves so many problems (alignment, correctives, etc.).
then, clearly, if for functionality does not satisfy you the speech changes.
Say hi.

I would like to break a spear for independent suppliers .
the under-reported considerations obviously apply not only for our product Aesthetic Designer .

I believe that the choice not to follow the "gregge" but to ask what can be the best product to trust is a wise choice.
Moreover it is the same choice that each of us has made when he has chosen his own cad, so it is not understood why on the cad is made a meditated choice while on the pdm it is considered more appropriate to adopt what passes the convent !!!

If there is an independent supplier of pdm/plm products in my opinion it must be assessed for at least 3 spidersi :

1) a company that has as core business the pdm plm very often has a specific culture on the matter superior to those who have as the first objective the sale of the graphic tool; for this is very often a consulting partner and address on the appreciable matera and advantage for the user

2) to be able to stay on the market must make better products (more complete, easier to install and use more flexible etc) to differentiate from the default choice (provare x credere)(3) gives last last but not the least If you tie hands and feet to a single supplier for cad and pdm, when you decide for adventure or need to abandon your cad (for all reasons or vicissitudes that in life can happen) , there would be the aggravio of a pdm provider that surely does not facilitate you ....

 

[RuleDesigner]

I'm sorry if I take this discussion, but... a question: can a pdm change the file names using certain custom property values? e.g. if I put in a "form"=tondo property and a "measure"=32 can rename the file with a type code: t-32 keeping all connections in the assemblies?

Thank you.

si ruledesigner pdm has been doing it for at least 10 years.

 

[re_solidworks]

si ruledesigner pdm has been doing it for at least 10 years.

a question: if the axieme is made in topdown, perhaps with the ability of multiple contexts for the parts, while the parts are renamed are also updated external references or when I open the axieme are all jumped?

Thank you.

 

[RuleDesigner]

a question: if the axieme is made in topdown, perhaps with the ability of multiple contexts for the parts, while the parts are renamed are also updated external references or when I open the axieme are all jumped?

Thank you.

I don't know what mutupli contexts you're using.
However all ties are automatically redirected from the old name on the new name.
It wouldn't be a pdm if he lost links. Don't you think?

 

[sampom]

I don't know which cad you're using.

We're in the solidworks forum. and then the user's nick...:biggrin:

greetings and thanks for the info
Marco:smile:

 

[cacciatorino]

I don't know what mutupli contexts you're using.
However all ties are automatically redirected from the old name on the new name.
It wouldn't be a pdm if he lost links. Don't you think?

I think it refers to geometric variables that are linked to variables of other models or excel files.

 

[re_solidworks]

I don't know what mutupli contexts you're using.
However all ties are automatically redirected from the old name on the new name.
It wouldn't be a pdm if he lost links. Don't you think?

see replacing components (and links) is one thing, fixing external references is another. in solidworks (the cad that I use) you can fix everything, but it is not so immediate.
I asked why I don't know how a multicad pdm can adapt to the technologies of the various cads at the same time.

 

[edlxyp]

There are some inaccuracies that is my duty to clarify.

It is not true that the site
www.ruledesigner.com only in English.. .

is enough to crush the Italian flag, or access through
www.ruledesigner.it Moreover it is not true that we are solid edge retailers, our company was the research and development division of engineering spa (more var solid edge in Italy) but was made autonomous through spin-off in 2004 with the name engineering plm solutions.
and today we have many customers on solidworks, inventor, catiav5, autocad, gbg, cadra, me10 as well as naturally solidedge.

engineering plm solutions for ruledesigner solutions is certified (and is specified on our website and companies) solidworks, inventor, as well as of course solid edge.

I assure you that on the fact that by clicking the Italian flag you passed to Italian I had arrived alone ...

about the "spin-off" I'm a technician, I don't know much about high finance, but I see that addresses and telephone numbers coincide...

I appreciate your technical/commercial details, but remain in my opinion, can I?

thanks and greetings to all.

 

[RuleDesigner]

see replacing components (and links) is one thing, fixing external references is another. in solidworks (the cad that I use) you can fix everything, but it is not so immediate.
I asked why I don't know how a multicad pdm can adapt to the technologies of the various cads at the same time.

Yes, after verification made with the cad integration manager, I can confirm that these links are preserved.
If someone is curious we are obviously available to show it through webinar.

about the fact that ruledesigner though multi-produced on the front cad, is able to give such support to the specific peculiarities of each cad I do not find it at all strange.

Moreover a third party product comes almost always after, and very often after the customer tried the one natively proposed by the supplier of cad .
if it was not far superior (for quality, functionality, usability, opening in terms of integration possibilities etc) who would choose it?

 

[RuleDesigner]

> but remain of my opinion, may I?opinions are obviously untouchable and to be respected anyway.
no denigration.
you can say that a product you like or not and no one can force you to change your mind.

You cannot invece, to support your opinion, to make opinable statements at the limits of defamation as:
“and navigate-naviga I think I understand it is developed by a cesena company” true“solidedge dealer” false I have already explained that from we try them, but for 6 years we have a society (social reason game iva) autonomous, with telephone numbers and switchboards equally separated
“and has no certification for solidworks” false See you http://www.solidworks.com/sw/products/details.htm?company=ruledesigner&id=11847&productid=2851Finally (discuss my limits) but I cannot understand the advice...

“I review my advice, verified on my skin: evaluate the features and, if there are, prefer the product of the direct manufacturer, even if it costs a little more. ”

ruledesigner like almost all third party products is considered very often after the customer has tried that natively proposed to him by the supplier that provided him with the cad he's using.
the client who evaluates ruledesigner is a client who almost always judged the product native pdm not sufficiently adequate to cover the expected needs.
Why should it cost less? ? ? if it was not far superior (for quality, functionality, usability, opening in terms of integration possibilities etc) who would choose it?

 

[edlxyp]

> but remain of my opinion, may I?[gent.le ruledesigner, I've been a little uncertain if answering and feeding more controversy, since you're very good at using them to advertise you.

I do this one last time, in respect to other readers of the forum, that (hopefully) can return to being a place where to exchange views between people, perhaps ill informed but that, surely, they do not want to defame anyone.

I leave from the beginning: not knowing the vs. product, I limited myself (as many believe) to insert "ruledesigner" in google; I invite everyone to do so and to understand that you and engineering are two separate companies, now you have specified it and I take note of it.

I come (in short) to my personal experience, I am rejected. technical in a medium mechanical/plant company, I took part in the choice of the pdm, (not the cad because already present) and I have seen several (non ruledesigner, sorry ... my mistake).

In the end I chose pdm enterprise because tired (from my previous experience in abiente autodesk with pdm third party) that at every change of releases (and sometimes of service pack) you would lose something, you should put your hand back, you should be sharing the faults.

or, alternatively, I happened to stay six months hanging before installing a new release cad, waiting for the plug-in was updated.

who does or did my job I think will know what it means to be among the complaining users, a boss who lightnings you and two suppliers who do ping-pong.

Of course (but don't sound offended to your collaborator) all the cad integration managers I met ensured that the links and references were preserved .... .

I imagine that your product has no problem of this type, I wish you and I wish you especially to your customers present and future.

on the economic aspect allow me not to enter, that ( fortunately) treated it others.

a cordial greeting to all.