choice pdm

[bafio]

Good morning to all,
We have been using nx for about 15 years but we are not very close to the times. in particular we still manage the revisions as we did with the paper (i.e. in manina we change the index of revision on the company database, then in manina we change the index of revision in distinct base, then in manina we change the index of revision on the drawing cartiglio, then those that if they remember it, add to manina also the description of the revision on the drawing cartiglio). all this at the posrte of 2012 with possibility to manina

I ask that every work of ours is filed by a contractor so often miscopying a mountain of information.

at the head office I asked to ask the siemens to understand how much teamcenter costs for 6 I say 6 stations nx but he on the basis of a few phone calls now at least 5 years ago says that 1 license costs as much as 10 stations nx.

Now I understand that tc is not economical but some of you are aware if for example there is a version only pdm that maybe does only manage the revisions cad and not the management of the whole world?

 

[avalon3d]

you could manage the business db with a common excel sheet to all or ask someone who will set up a bit of programming to create an application that simply manages the files of the cad...
it would be much cheaper than tc, but no more pdm.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

you could manage the business db with a common excel sheet to all or ask someone who will set up a bit of programming to create an application that simply manages the files of the cad...
it would be much cheaper than tc, but no more pdm.

or request an offer for a plm of third parties that clearly has the wgm for nx. example pdmlink

apart from the jokes, 5 years are many but it seems strange that the cost is 10 times so much a license of nx...
I would still require an offer today, the excel files and customised databases have their limits, sooner or later collapse everything and you have to start over and spend so much more money.

greetings

 

[Utente NX]

Good morning to all,
We have been using nx for about 15 years but we are not very close to the times. in particular we still manage the revisions as we did with the paper (i.e. in manina we change the index of revision on the company database, then in manina we change the index of revision in distinct base, then in manina we change the index of revision on the drawing cartiglio, then those that if they remember it, add to manina also the description of the revision on the drawing cartiglio). all this at the posrte of 2012 with possibility to manina

I ask that every work of ours is filed by a contractor so often miscopying a mountain of information.

at the head office I asked to ask the siemens to understand how much teamcenter costs for 6 I say 6 stations nx but he on the basis of a few phone calls now at least 5 years ago says that 1 license costs as much as 10 stations nx.

Now I understand that tc is not economical but some of you are aware if for example there is a version only pdm that maybe does only manage the revisions cad and not the management of the whole world?

teamcenter costs little and we are in the order of 1000 euros, as a pdm of four money.
there is then the maintenance fee.
but sincerely what costs is putting it on.
Put it up, it means a lot, but a lot.
tc is a plm that must be configured on the company, for the company.

 

[bafio]

teamcenter costs little and we are in the order of 1000 euros, as a pdm of four money.
there is then the maintenance fee.
but sincerely what costs is putting it on.
Put it up, it means a lot, but a lot.
tc is a plm that must be configured on the company, for the company.

In fact, that's exactly what the boss wants to avoid.
the need is to manage the check in - check out of the files to start working in team and have a control (chronology?) also on revisions.

we do not want to manage the company with a tc. to explain to you, there are people (owners) who have no intention of changing the bad erp system now in use. the only hope to make a minimum evolutionary leap is to adopt at least one basic pdm for the technical sector.

I don't want to upset anyone but last night by excavating the web I saw pdm even free.
http://www.aras.com/looks very professional, it interfaces immediately with nx, wanting to spend seems very customizable (see tc)
http://www.gopdm.com/seems very user friendly and simple in use

I made these proposals to the boss. reply:
they look free but then if you ask some questions they make you pay everything.

moral: I don't have any hopes, I'm not a salesman, and we won't make the evolutionary leap. sin

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

a basic basic configuration do it with 5-6 days, the price always depends on the implementer if direct or a var.

in the cost clearly you have to integrate also an adequate architecture, but also here with 5-6k euro you should get it seen the number of users.

on open source are quite in agreement with your boss.. .
but you must not lose hope that never!
begin to cost him all the time lost to you and your colleagues, in the research, in the doubles in a solar year, then see that the pdm has already paid off alone even before starting.

greetings

 

[re_solidworks]

begin to cost him all the time lost to you and your colleagues, in the research, in the doubles in a solar year, then see that the pdm has already paid off alone even before starting.

greetings

Hello, Ozzy.
Maybe it was so simple! I also see with astio and curiosity about pdms. hear people criticize these tools "to hear" and when you ask specific questions about how they handle certain things find that it is a disaster.
in companies I know have a paid employee to insert the cad's distinct in the hand management.
that is this person, which costs at least 30-35 k€ per year copies the distinct drawings... all day... all year.
then find yourself with a lot of inevitable copying errors! already in 6 months a pdm could be repaid.
most companies don't understand, there's nothing to do.

then, on the other hand, there are companies that try us but make a hole in the water, you want because they are wrong product or because while having purchased the right product wrong the consultant that implements it. . .
These realities do nothing but feed all the rumors that circulate about pdm.

 

[The_Matrix]

a basic basic configuration do it with 5-6 days, the price always depends on the implementer if direct or a var.

in the cost clearly you have to integrate also an adequate architecture, but also here with 5-6k euro you should get it seen the number of users.

on open source are quite in agreement with your boss.. .
but you must not lose hope that never!
begin to cost him all the time lost to you and your colleagues, in the research, in the doubles in a solar year, then see that the pdm has already paid off alone even before starting.

greetings

with tc, a configuration basica basica do it with:
- 1 g :smile analysis: (I know pat... it's a lost battle, but I always do the same! )
- 2 days of installation
- 2 days configuration tc/nx
- 1 g web configuration (optional... if you want to access from "outside" ut or if you want to put and clients tc in the rest of the company)
- 1 g for the analysis and configuration of data import from fs (file system) to tc (and here opens a barter... files on fs are fine to be imported in tc? ... naming convention... duplicates... distinct design... etc.)
- 1 g user training
- 1 g fi training administrator

this just for a pure vaulting...
from there on open all possible scenarios (without exaggerating eh...)
... configuration/management file "accessories" (office, jt, pdf) ...
... Automatic management of deliverable files (jt/pdf)
... classification...
... workflow.. .
... interview with possible erp...
... management of requirements. . .
... management of suppliers.. .
... geolus.. .
... access security management ....
... custom attributes, relative mapping and their use in nx...

without wanting to get to things too sophisticated. . .
... leave.. .

 

[The_Matrix]

In fact, that's exactly what the boss wants to avoid.
the need is to manage the check in - check out of the files to start working in team and have a control (chronology?) also on revisions.

we do not want to manage the company with a tc. to explain to you, there are people (owners) who have no intention of changing the bad erp system now in use. the only hope to make a minimum evolutionary leap is to adopt at least one basic pdm for the technical sector.

I don't want to upset anyone but last night by excavating the web I saw pdm even free.
http://www.aras.com/looks very professional, it interfaces immediately with nx, wanting to spend seems very customizable (see tc)
http://www.gopdm.com/seems very user friendly and simple in use

I made these proposals to the boss. reply:
they look free but then if you ask some questions they make you pay everything.

moral: I don't have any hopes, I'm not a salesman, and we won't make the evolutionary leap. sin

What's wrong with you?
if you have machs (any, from mach1 to mach3, excluding mach advantage) the vaulting part you already have.

 

[The_Matrix]

Hello, Ozzy.
Maybe it was so simple! I also see with astio and curiosity about pdms. hear people criticize these tools "to hear" and when you ask specific questions about how they handle certain things find that it is a disaster.
in companies I know have a paid employee to insert the cad's distinct in the hand management.that is this person, which costs at least 30-35 k€ per year copies the distinct drawings... all day... all year.then find yourself with a lot of inevitable copying errors! already in 6 months a pdm could be repaid.
most companies don't understand, there's nothing to do.

then, on the other hand, there are companies that try us but make a hole in the water, you want because they are wrong product or because while having purchased the right product wrong the consultant that implements it. . .
These realities do nothing but feed all the rumors that circulate about pdm.

I sincerely do not understand how it is possible that design managers do not consider these costs and impacts downstream of their process...

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

I sincerely do not understand how it is possible that design managers do not consider these costs and impacts downstream of their process...

I do not think that they do not consider them, rather I think that in their job there is not a voice called "objectives" and as objectives I mean personal and department that every year must be evaluated, so they have no type of interest to "subarcarsi" a project like that, you want because they do not want to put the face for a possible failure of the same, you want because they do not have any desire to add other jobs to what they already think. until it's okay and no one claims the timing, so much more useful are not recognized and then why should I fathom those above me? I know several who act in this way, they don't want any stories, the example that made re-solidworks is the flashing proof, so there will always be someone who does it, but it's not my department, so it's not my problem!
when the owner wakes up see how everyone runs.
It is an evil too present in companies, but it is not only their fault, they are the same owners who are adagiano and we know that when the cow is fat it is good like this....:smile:

 

[Tequila]

I sincerely do not understand how it is possible that design managers do not consider these costs and impacts downstream of their process...

simply because they look only from here to max 6 months ... 1 year and do not make a more detailed planning and study of what they want to get. I lived it on my skin, several years ago fortunately, something like that, where in addition to the problem of insertion distinct to handle in a kind of database created to the good on access, there was also the problem of drawings that circulated for the workshop made by hand on "cheese card" and without any code and/or reference to which machine it belonged or was used.

when the figure of an ing was introduced to the company, which had to follow these things, in the period when he assimilated the information and what else and proposed it to the management, they accepted, they made estimates besides a management also for cad licenses more appropriate to the activity we did (it was 98-99 and we used autocad 97lt). when it was time to show the estimates of programs + hours of courses + etc. almost took it to randellate.

the answer practically was that if they had arrived here with what they had, it was not necessary to invest money for something that did the same thing even if with less time!! !

 

[bafio]

with tc, a configuration basica basica do it with:
- 1 g :smile analysis: (I know pat... it's a lost battle, but I always do the same! )
- 2 days of installation
- 2 days configuration tc/nx
- 1 g web configuration (optional... if you want to access from "outside" ut or if you want to put and clients tc in the rest of the company)
- 1 g for the analysis and configuration of data import from fs (file system) to tc (and here opens a barter... files on fs are fine to be imported in tc? ... naming convention... duplicates... distinct design... etc.)
- 1 g user training
- 1 g fi training administrator

this just for a pure vaulting...
from there on open all possible scenarios (without exaggerating eh...)
... configuration/management file "accessories" (office, jt, pdf) ...
... Automatic management of deliverable files (jt/pdf)
... classification...
... workflow.. .
... interview with possible erp...
... management of requirements. . .
... management of suppliers.. .
... geolus.. .
... access security management ....
... custom attributes, relative mapping and their use in nx...

without wanting to get to things too sophisticated. . .
... leave.. .

I would like to deepen the speech that seems to be interesting, we consider:
7 licenses nx, (4x p1, 1x designer, 2x mach1) I checked the machs and is also included the tc express license; in fact the dvds arrive.
- 1 g di analisi;
ok
- 2 days of installation +
- 2 days configuration tc/nxseem many considering only 7 stations and our it admin quite awake. (but I speak as incompetent)
- 1 g web configurationNo need at the moment. (It will take about 8-10 years after the implementation of pdm)
- 1 g for the analysis and configuration of data import from fs (file system) to tc (and here opens a barter... files on fs are fine to be imported in tc? ... naming convention... duplicates... distinct design... etc.)surely it will not be ok but not even dramatic; we do 50-50
- 1 g of training utentefor each user or collective?
- 1 g fi training amministratoredo not object

for the rest today's dream is to have ... interview with possible erp...for curiosity what they are or what they serve:... classification...
... workflow.. .
... management of requirements. . .
... management of suppliers.. .
... geolus.. .
... custom attributes, relative mapping and their use in nx...
... leave.. .

 

[The_Matrix]

I do not think that they do not consider them, rather I think that in their job there is not a voice called "objectives" and as objectives I mean personal and department that every year must be evaluated, so they have no type of interest to "subarcarsi" a project like that, you want because they do not want to put the face for a possible failure of the same, you want because they do not have any desire to add other jobs to what they already think. until it's okay and no one claims the timing, so much more useful are not recognized and then why should I fathom those above me? I know several who act in this way, they don't want any stories, the example that made re-solidworks is the flashing proof, so there will always be someone who does it, but it's not my department, so it's not my problem!
when the owner wakes up see how everyone runs.
It is an evil too present in companies, but it is not only their fault, they are the same owners who are adaged and it is known that when the cow is fat it is good like this... :smile:

And then we are surprised that the Chinese, the Romanians, the Poles, the Brazilians, the Indians... etc. etc.

 

[The_Matrix]

I would like to deepen the speech that seems to be interesting, we consider:
7 licenses nx, (4x p1, 1x designer, 2x mach1) I checked the machs and is also included the tc express license; in fact the dvds arrive.
- 1 g di analisi;
ok
- 2 days of installation +
- 2 days configuration tc/nxseem many considering only 7 stations and our it admin quite awake. (but I speak as incompetent)
- 1 g web configurationNo need at the moment. (It will take about 8-10 years after the implementation of pdm)
- 1 g for the analysis and configuration of data import from fs (file system) to tc (and here opens a barter... files on fs are fine to be imported in tc? ... naming convention... duplicates... distinct design... etc.)surely it will not be ok but not even dramatic; we do 50-50
- 1 g of training utentefor each user or collective?
- 1 g fi training amministratoredo not object

for the rest today's dream is to have ... interview with possible erp...for curiosity what they are or what they serve:... classification...
... workflow.. .
... management of requirements. . .
... management of suppliers.. .
... geolus.. .
... custom attributes, relative mapping and their use in nx...
... leave.. .

installation/configuration:
a pdm is not a cad... next next next ok...
you need to install the server part and the various clients... normally we install the server and 1-2 clients and the customer's it does others.
Moreover nx under tc must be configured... materials... cartilages... attributes... rl... etc...
import datijust not to waste time/only we show how we do... possible strategies... error handler... etc.
then the real import and just leave it to the customer.
for example.. .
- Are the names of the parts consistent everywhere on fs? it is not that then you have to manage "vtcei 30x16" and "vite head cil esag incass 30 for 16" etc.
How do you manage the unit of the parts? we can not massively import every machine, going to duplicate items, otherwise comes out a casino, exactly as you have on fs
trainingof course 1 g for everyone.. .
if your dt says that 1 g cannot be dedicated then, you have to balance 2 and make 2 classes 3+4
the training administrator serves to manage the environment and not have to call us for any cagata
colloquio erpIt's hard to size it. .
you need to understand:
- What is this about? (sap, oracle, jde, lesolitesoluzionilocali)
What kind of links are we talking about?
- mono or bidirectional links?
... you can usually go separate text files to something well + sophisticated (and expensive to buy and implement)
Othera little difficult to clarify the thing on a forum... But I try.classification ...
is an environment in which you go to define a "shaft of classification" which you can then navigate to easily find standard parts/groups (buyed or for you standard)
workflow...
are procedures that allow you to do actions on the models/draws/groups you plan... What actions? Just leave... information extraction... and are "actions" that normally happen in data "moments" of product life.
management of i requirediti...
each product comes from requirements (marketing, customers, branded, competitors)... where do you manage these requirements now? in word/excel files? Well, they need to be managed in the pdm and become, if you want, the cad input.
Supplier management...
do everything internally or do you use design suppliers? how do you make them dialogue with you? etc.
how do you manage collaboration with manufacturing suppliers? How do you pass the information? etc.
geolus...
He's a form researcher, a design google.
you big lines hair a model... then you feed it to geolus and he tells you how many similar models (and how similar they are) you have in your db, so as not to duplicate codes etc... to be used, on the contrary, almost compulsory, along with the classifier
custom attributes, relative mapping and their use in nx...
you will surely have a whole series of "attributes" that now manage scattered in the company and in various tools... these "characteristics" of the vs product must be consolidated all in the pdm and then used downstream of the
Come on....
detail aspect of the "workflow" point. Once you finish your product, what do you do with it? Can you show/sign to your boss? to the head of the mfg? here is this sequence of approvals should be carved somewhere... typically in "release states" that can be + or less complex

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

And then we are surprised that the Chinese, the Romanians, the Poles, the Brazilians, the Indians... etc. etc.

Yeah, but who knows why he always reacts when he's with m... to his nose!
Sometimes you can get it down because you have a substantial structure and cash flow, but when you do not have one or the other you are destined to drown inerosably!

 

[The_Matrix]

Yeah, but who knows why he always reacts when he's with m... to his nose!
Sometimes you can get it down because you have a substantial structure and cash flow, but when you do not have one or the other you are destined to drown inerosably!

... love... :36_3_8:
In this regard... You have a text to answer. :angry:

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

... love... :36_3_8:
In this regard... You have a text to answer. :angry:

sms? I didn't receive an emerita cippa...

 

[The_Matrix]

sms? I didn't receive an emerita cippa...

I send you mail here on cad3d...

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

I send you mail here on cad3d...

ok received.. I'm already in my back....