what can you tell me about buildingsus acca?

[Anchorage]

Who saw him?
...in action?

on the big network, I found nothing about:
- the graphical interface,
-compatibility with other "famous cad"
-the real availability,
- the price

Hello everyone

 

[warburg]

I'm curious too, even if for me ... "too late!"
I think on the site there is a video presentation with interviews to the users at the sate stand.. .

 

[Anchorage]

Thank you warburg,

on the site there are yes video interviews made to the sae
but unfortunately there are not those concerning the specific
the presentation of the software..... who knows what the "misses" are waiting for.
we wait curious to have maybe some delucidations from who
He could see it himself.

(No video in the network about it.. . .
I feel a little strange all this "secretity" sin:frown

Hi.

 

[gfrank]

I spoke for a half hour with the service, and he explained to me that it is an evolved cad 3d, but no he can tell me as far as it is. the base should be that of cad 3 d type revit/archicad/ecc., but without rendering.
the working mode is based on objects, the same objects that can then be used in other applications:
- metric computation
- structural calculation
- thermotechnical and thermal systems
- electrical installations
- etc.
therefore from a single "drawing" is extracted the input data for use in the programs acca
I have chesto if the sw also produces architectural tables (technical drawing) and I was confirmed.
I also asked if the sw for the 3d is "a real cad" i.e. if you can make structures (objects) you various forms, not only square or circular, and I was answered affirmatively, but was not able to tell me how the "modelling" of drawing is "painted".
I've been told that it's a cad 3 type archicad...
However, the sw will be ready for late spring 2011, with all the sins of youth .....

 

[Tristan]

However, the sw will be ready for late spring 2011, with all the sins of youth .....

Can I say mine? It's very stunned by cyanciulli&c. go out with similar software, at this point in history (bim). there are already 3 products on the market (revit, allplan and archicad) that have reached maturity and is now coming out with a release 1 that who knows how much time and versions will take to put on pairs of sacred monsters first mentioned ) that will certainly not remain to look at. at this point it would be a matter of understanding how much it costs, because at equal price or almost in a few will pass to such a young and "unexperienced" platform.
I can't believe

 

[gfrank]

Can I say mine? It's very stunned by cyanciulli&c. go out with similar software, at this point in history (bim). there are already 3 products on the market (revit, allplan and archicad) that have reached maturity and is now coming out with a release 1 that who knows how much time and versions will take to put on pairs of sacred monsters first mentioned ) that will certainly not remain to look at. at this point it would be a matter of understanding how much it costs, because at equal price or almost in a few will pass to such a young and "unexperienced" platform.
I can't believe

the cost (not official) that I heard rumor should be around 1500 euros.
without doubt if we talk about integrated bim/projection/ecc. the tool would be ideal, because with a single graphic imput you have/you would have available everything necessary to the design process.
Of course, you have to check:
- the graphic input phase (the drawing)
- the "good" of the graphic return for the technical/architectural design.
undoubtedly, the acca has and has already had experiences with cad 3 d, both at the level of the sw (very poor) and external (applications on autocad) where the insertion of 3d objects is already used (for primus cad).
You have to see what will come out of it...
of course the "giganti of the 3d" are not with the hands in hand, but until today no sh has developed a complete sw of all application of the design, or at least in part; to have the complete cycle you have to lean on external sh that implement the sw.
This, however, involves that at every revision of the sw 3d on the market, one must wait:
- the review of external applications by external sh;
- the update was issued after a few months
hope that this move will happen, bring the various sh of the 3d to develop (in its own or in synergy with other sh) the applications and bring them "inside" of its sw

 

[roberto 2011]

I have worked with safety plans construction site and (the then) containment of energy consumption of acca.

I did not feel so immediate and helpful so much that I then went, with great satisfaction, to other softhouse.

it may be that they have brought out a program based on simpler mechanisms than revit (the others do not know them), because revit leaves you so many times in the middle of the m.... for example. on the joints, on the ground and on the excavations, on the visibilty of the structural pillars (the architectural ones that are integrated in the walls should only use them in america:tongue.

but, of course, it is a very difficult field, precisely because you have to work for objects. objects, you know, as long as they are standard ones and put in standard situations can go great. the job changes when you are (in 97% of cases about) fighting with customizations or renovations....

Anyway, good luck! :smile:

 

[gil]

acca has its own market and I think that a bim made so they still make sense.

their products I have seen them only from afar, so correct me if I am mistaken but I think of software a simpler I would say elementary of foreign competition, but they have all the necessary norms, they work well among themselves and for small, simple and standard projects can actually make a contribution.

also other small software houses are launching in the same direction.

for what little I could try to interface archicad or allplan but also revit with a software for calculating and editing tables still from unsatisfactory results. I have direct experience with revit structure + autocad detailing + robot analysis. I tried them and put them together I felt like a crying, they lie with each other.
I agree that for the megagalactic study, taken with a megagalactic project, with an army of employees, technicians and programmers, can be the best solution but in Italy there are few of these cases.

However I refer to your impressions having worked little with the above mentioned software

 

[lance]

I try to say mine....
the problem is in understanding the limits of use....if sh blasonate with development team without practically budget limits, they have not yet managed to bake a software that perfectly fulfills to all the needs that a design study can have, to happen, with all respect for the company and with the hope that they forget me, the hard look at gfrank on rendering is the proof.

 

[gfrank]

... these days I have had occasion to resent them...
They told me that rendering is included in the sw.
in general, I think that at the professional level having a sw that allows to manage with a single graphic interface not only the architectural phase, but all the context, is (would) a libidine ...
would be like to use rac/rst/mep with a single interface, without where to save/load/export files between sw and other.
Besides, it also has modules (sw) for structural calculation, acoustics, energetic, metric compute, etc.
I have no doubt that such modules (sw) happen intertwining them, in part today already does. uses the same method as the "families" (objects) of revit and similar sw. some modules (metre compute) use them in combination with acad, adt, where it is possible to "import" in the sw adesk "blocks" designed with the sw acca, from which "automatically" the compute is realized.
what leaves me perplexed, is the "graphic result" of the sw edificius, and the "manipulations" of the "complex" objects, to understand us (the masses).
All in all, from objects (draws) 2d is quite simple to get the 3d, other sw do it (e.g. vw ) that interact directly with the lines of the 2d (revit does not do it).
I would like to see the following:
- the construction/design of objects;
- the connection/division between them of these objects
- the degree of complexity present in the objects : for example if a window is composed only of frame and glass, or even from the window sill, handle, carriages, etc.
- the "grades" of freedom (modality) for the construction of objects, in reference to the constraints that will surely be present for the management of the same (revit: system families and free families)
- the possibility of having "constructive details" : e.g. the composition of the layers in the wall, the nets, and more. .
to close, if acca produces a sw type revit (allplan-archicad-vw) and therefore with a graphical/design rendering of such type, and that interacts with their modules, with a single interface, surely will have many customers ...

a consideration: Surely it is a nova frontier. if they keep what they promise, in my opinion the sh of the 3d/bim today market leader, will be put in trouble ...

more details:http://www.acca.it/software/edificius/tabid/1323/default.aspx

 

[warburg]

... in general, I think that at a professional level having a sw that allows to manage with a single graphic interface not only the architectural phase, but all the context, is (would) a libidine ...

I agree in full! in fact potentially acca should be able to do this, especially regarding computations and calculations for plants.
But I also agree with those who claimed that starting today to propose a new bim is an extreme, arduous task, I do not say impossible but almost for a small software house as acca (compared to global colossi).
Hopefully, anyway! there are many spaces to compete with colossi, also and above all because they care highly about the average need of the Italian designer.

 

[gfrank]

I try to say mine....
the problem is in understanding the limits of use....if sh blasonate with development team without practically budget limits, they have not yet managed to bake a software that perfectly fulfills to all the needs that a design study can have, to happen, with all respect for the company and with the hope that they forget me, the hard look at gfrank on rendering is the proof.

the problem of sh without budget limits, is what they have never faced (turned to face) the downstream process of the architectonic, leaving to other societies the problems of development in this sense ...

certainly acca will not export its sw out of Italy (the "technical standards" are different from state to state: in Italy from region to region), but surely if it will do what promises, I see it hard for those who will only make architectural sw, since now its incidence in the building process is about 25/30%.
I point out, all in all, that revit (what sw I use and know) has already present some forms (e.g. the abachi) that if developed further could enrich the product (e.g. the preparation of the metric estimative computation), but so far this development has not been pursued....

 

[gil]

I always speak with reference revit structure + robot + structural detailing, but all these superiority of big I do not see it.
for example autodesk is substantially not advanced one step in the last 3 years. It will be that it is a moment of crisis and when they invest seriously I hope you will come the difference between one relay and the other but for now, they are all drowning.

 

[warburg]

......
I point out, all in all, that revit (what sw I use and know) has already present some forms (e.g. the abachi) that if developed further could enrich the product (e.g. the preparation of the metric estimative computation), but so far this development has not been pursued....

...and in fact that joke of my autodesk salesman told me to be quiet, with revit you can also do the metric compute!
:biggrin::biggrin::

 

[lance]

I share everything that has been said and I hope that it is happening to the "only" Italian market supply the product that we are all waiting for. I think however that the problem is not only to turn to a global market, in the new releases of a program like revit, even if apparently it changes little, there are remarkable changes and improvements to the "core" of the software, we as users do not perceive them, but there are. this to say that also technically is not found. :biggrin:

 

[Tristan]

in the new releases of a program as revit, although it seems to change little, there are remarkable changes and improvements to the "core" of the software, we as users do not perceive them, but there are.

This seems to be the problem of allplan for example. I heard that nemetschek continued to implement functions without ever touching the "core"; now it is with a giant from the feet of clay (to speak to hear, I do not know if and how true)

then if from the cylinder pull out the classic product of the genius "made in italy" superior to those of the multinationals and especially at that price, have a customer already found it? :biggrin:

but how much would this product cost? you do not understand, as you do not understand if the calculation modules are understood or to be purchased separately.
know that in April the first building suites autodesk will be released that will integrate the verticals of autocad (architecture, mep etc.) and the bim (rac, rst, revit mep) all under one license (you will not receive more dvd but a pendrive autodesk :biggrin, obviously at much lower costs than the sum of the prices of the individual licenses

 

[gfrank]

.... but how much would this product cost? you do not understand, as you do not understand if the calculation modules are understood or to be purchased separately.

I don't know the price, you "vocifera" about 2500 euros, but I think you have to wait for the first exit (September 2011? ).
modules (programs) are all separate and can be purchased individually (to user's need)

.... know that in April the first self-desk building suites will be released that will integrate autocad verticals (architecture, mep etc.) and bim (rac, rst, revit mep) all under one license (you will not receive more dvd but a self-desk pendrive :biggrin, obviously at much lower costs than the sum of the prices of individual licenses

good thing, but the file must always be saved and imported into the usage program, and vice versa?

 

[gfrank]

.....I think however that the problem is not only to turn to a global market, in the new releases of a program as revit, although it seems to change little, there are remarkable changes and improvements to the "core" of the software, we as users do not perceive them, but there are...

true, but the hardware resources it requires, are not just ....

 

[gil]

if they remain on the line of their products, the price could be around 3-4'000 euros to which it could be necessary to add additional modules that often cost between 800 and 1'500 euros.

considering the prices of other products, however without confirmation from the mother's house, could be around 5'000 euros. or considerably lower than the competition.
For example, I think I remember:
revit structure + autocad + structural detailing: 5'000 euro +
robot (reduced version): 3,000.
tot 8'000 euro

But if one manages to make the second option work despite all the magagne present and therefore putting us on its own, it has a much more powerful software.

If I had to calculate a 20-storey building with special forms, I don't even think about software.
but if I have to do the classic building in ca, 4 floors, 6 apartments, and garage on the ground floor; then with less time, less money I think I have a more reliable result.

 

[lifemarco]

Good morning to all, if I can leave my experience, I can say that archline.xp has no rivals in terms of value for money. perhaps not advertised, but it is really specific and thought for the architectural world. It is powerful in terms of 3d modeling (it quickly solves problems like sguinci, mazzette, times, intercapedini, land management..), easy to use (just some videos available online and you can be immediately operational), and already oriented also to the interior world and rendering, with specific features that allow to return a graphic presentation of quality for customers.

the price does not exceed 3000 euros for the full version of everything, and do not need other programs.

lately the cadline is working on this bim gear integration project that promises well.. metric compute, energy certification and acoustic classification understood not as verification but real-time analysis during design. . .