drawings brake caliper

[Tonyenne]

hi friends of the forum,
I am looking for measures to achieve a 3d of a braking braking braid, I looked on the net but the drawings in the catalog indicate measures that do not allow reproduction in a cad.
Can anyone help me? :wink::wink::wink:
Thank you.

 

[tartufon80]

Bye!

if you read other discussions on the forum, with similar requests to yours, you notice that this material is copyrighted (but perhaps you did not need the forum ).
I doubt you can find a quoted design on the net!
You, if I were working on the brim, would you put out a constructive design? but the same goes for those who make ashtrays!

go to a mechanic, and as soon as you find a disassembled pliers, you sit with caliber and notebook, you make the reliefs and you draw it!
Good job!

ps: the forum regulation says that a presentation is welcome!

 

[marcof]

hi friends of the forum,
I am looking for measures to achieve a 3d of a braking braking braid, I looked on the net but the drawings in the catalog indicate measures that do not allow reproduction in a cad.

see here:http://grabcad.com/library/tag/brembobut I have no idea how faithful reproductions are, and then if you wanted to have fun modeling them in 3d, the fun ends.

Otherwise you will get the clamp that interests you, the moving and then you will get patience, appropriate measuring tools and make a dimensional relief to then make the 3d model to the cad. you can go from the caliber to laser scanning with reverse of the surfaces. depends on how accurate you require and obviously how much you can spend.
you don't have any other roads, unless you introduce yourself to the office of the brembo you take possession of the original files, taking into account that then in prison you don't always have a pc with installed a modern cad3d to process the fruit of your night labors. :smile:

 

[tartufon80]

see here:http://grabcad.com/library/tag/bremboBut I have no idea how faithful reproductions are, and then if you wanted to have fun modeling them in 3d, the fun ends...

Obviously I assumed that tonyenne wanted quoted drawings to have fun.. .:smile:

 

[Tonyenne]

thanks to all for the answers, and thanks to marcof for the link....cmq I don't want to do anything illegal, only that since I planned to change the pliers to my car to increase the braking I need to create a support to adapt the new pliers but not only that I do not know then if I have enough space....so my interest to the drawings was only for a feedback and fun to draw the rams...
As far as the presentation is concerned, I think I've escaped since the inscription I made it a long time ago, but now I remedy it immediately.
thank you and good evening!:wink:

 

[rinato]

Hi, you're aware that any modification, especially brakes, makes you miss the approval, right?
unless you are working on a race vehicle, but I assume that there are also precise constraints of federations.
try to contact directly the brembo, maybe they listen to you; and in the future you never know...
or seeks to the blush, although I presume they are pieces sold even before they arrive.
or guide more slowly...;-)
Reborn.

 

[Er Presidente]

thanks to all for the answers, and thanks to marcof for the link....cmq I don't want to do anything illegal, only that since I planned to change the pliers to my car to increase the braking I need to create a support to adapt the new pliers but not only that I do not know then if I have enough space....so my interest to the drawings was only for a feedback and fun to draw the rams...
As far as the presentation is concerned, I think I've escaped since the inscription I made it a long time ago, but now I remedy it immediately.
thank you and good evening!:wink:

"increasing braking"... why?
increasing the torque generated by a brake means changing the vehicle's grip curve, what does it mean?
we imagine having a vehicle "x" with a particular braking system, dimensions, masses and tires, well...
Now we try to throw it at 130 km/h and give a nice "pinzata" to the brakes, what happens? less than the abs interventions the vehicle will decelerate violently transferring weight on the front axle and subtracting it to the back one until the tires are able to transfer adherence to the ground and then the aps "cutting" the pressure of the circuit to reduce the braking torque and prevent the tire from blocking.
all this complex dynamic depends on an accurate balance that starting from the tyre footprint to the ground reaches the brake pedal.
modifying one component without "according" the system is useless.
increase the pair of pliers? you will have a strange effect, the vehicle will transfer more weight and more quickly, the rear wheels will lose grip and the front ones will come first to skate, the abs will cut everything in advance and, despite the feeling of greater braking ability (initial greater inclination towards the avanreno) the braking space, inexorably will increase. . .
:wink:

 

[gerod]

and if something happens to you remember that your rca will not pay if it finds that your vehicle has undergone modifications without approval ... risk why?

 

[Tonyenne]

I had thought about the fact of the homologation, but I saw that they sell kits to increase the braking and cost a lot, then that means that if I buy a kit nn I lose the homologation?
the problem is that in my opinion the system and undersized, in fact the car has a long braking and it ovalizes the disks, in the past I tried to use disks brembo but after a while they have ovalized also those, I premute not to have stressed the new disks and nn I make braking brusche. However we are talking about a 250 cv c70 volvo and if I look at cars from the same characteristics have a better braking system than mine.

 

[tartufon80]

I had thought about the fact of the homologation, but I saw that they sell kits to increase the braking and cost a lot, then that means that if I buy a kit nn I lose the homologation?
the problem is that in my opinion the system and undersized, in fact the car has a long braking and it ovalizes the disks, in the past I tried to use disks brembo but after a while they have ovalized also those, I premute not to have stressed the new disks and nn I make braking brusche. However we are talking about a 250 cv c70 volvo and if I look at cars from the same characteristics have a better braking system than mine.

I have always seen the desire very attentive to the security aspect (not that the other houses were not).
talk about undersized plant and long braking: but are you going on the track? curiosity, nothing more!

 

[marcof]

the problem is that I think the plant is undersized. . .
(cut)
... we are talking about a volvo c70 from 250 cv

Orpo, but I suggest you immediately communicate to the volvo this impeccable analysis of their braking system installed on the c70. you may also receive a bonus not indifferent to the advice

p.s. imho behind these "analysis" of the Vaie components installed on the cars there is some longa manus, a secret maneuver, a drug in the water of the taps:tongue:, by the dealers of auto accessories, that to read certain robes enjoy as curls thinking of the next holiday to the baddives paid by their customers to nuns of electronic power stations, marmitte cromate, spoliler for fiat

 

[Tonyenne]

I am pleased that my observation enjoys you so much, it is true I do not go on the track but I drove cars that have almost the same characteristics of my (powerful word) and you notice a better braking, not by chance they carry calipers and disks increased compared to my.. .
dear marcof it is not nice that you tease a person when then you don't even know what you're talking about, my car is original as it did the volvo, no spoiler and no control units of the cabbage...so 250 cv pure and if I tell you that the braking sucks me, otherwise take a turn and then tell me...before this I had another identical color only and had the same flaw in

 

[tartufon80]

I am pleased that my observation enjoys you so much, it is true I do not go on the track but I drove cars that have almost the same characteristics of my (powerful word) and you notice a better braking, not by chance they carry calipers and disks increased compared to my.. .
dear marcof it is not nice that you tease a person when then you don't even know what you're talking about, my car is original as it did the volvo, no spoiler and no control units of the cabbage...so 250 cv pure and if I tell you that the braking sucks me, otherwise take a turn and then tell me...before this I had another identical color only and had the same flaw in

1) I do not enjoy, it was curiosity

2) I do not feel wise, on the contrary. if you think you can do a better job than the teams wanted, only having a model cad of a brake caliper.. .

 

[Tonyenne]

eh that center now the model cad... I needed the measurements of a specific clamp to see the support plate to do, I can not spend so much money for a couple of pliers and then have the bad surprise

 

[tartufon80]

eh that center now the model cad... I needed the measurements of a specific clamp to see the support plate to do, I can not spend so much money for a couple of pliers and then have the bad surprise

first message of discussion

hi friends of the forum,
I'm looking for measurements to achieve a 3d of a braking braking plier....

and you think you don't have bad surprises if you build yourself a plate for the brake caliper of a 250 cv beast?
Happy birthday!


ps: the president's explanation, did you read it? Have you tried to deepen the subject?

 

[Tonyenne]

I don't understand why you're so acidic to me. ..modifications of the genus have already been made and work well.. then the model is obvious that it is from reference

 

[tartufon80]

No one's acid. If we're all telling you that it's not such a "banal" thing, will there be a reason?
Who made these changes? They work well according to who? Do you think I'm gonna ride a pliers and then they're just a few miles to see if the car's stopping?
a colleague of mine changed circles, discs and pliers: beautiful, powerful... every 5-6 months the heads of the arms went to puxxane. put the originals back smoothly.
If at the turn they decided that your car must brake so, as far as I am concerned there is a reason. Then maybe I'm wrong and everything I wrote doesn't count a bat.

 

[MBT]

I don't understand why you're so acidic to me. ..modifications of the genus have already been made and work well.. then the model is obvious that it is from reference

They work well... But what do you think?
and according to what parameters?

Remember that on the market you find everything: from the "turbo-electric" fan that increases the bank account of those who sell it that the performance of the kit nos engine that actually are technological jewels.
all these things are variations to homologation, so they are at your own risk and danger. the "collaudo" don't pass it. in case of accidents, the rule of ssct applies!

apart from these considerations, we speak seriously.
cars, to be approved, must pass braking tests. Braking spaces and behavior are controlled and must return to certain parameters, otherwise the car is not sold.
It is true that there are cars that, for various reasons, suffer under certain conditions. slightly incisive braking, above the stop spaces, or early fatigue. "physiological problems" that mothers' houses deny to death, but that in reality there are.
change your pliers gradually, at least according to my past experience. better to change records and tablets. however, it is worth early wear. acceptable? unacceptable? You have to say that...

 

[Tonyenne]

hi mbt and thanks for the answer, cmq I have already tried to change disks but the result has not changed, with the time also being careful the disks deform, I tried also to buy disks brembo...cmq as I am enrolled in a similar forum I saw that also other users complained the same problems, have changed pliers and disks noting an improvement... it is obvious that they work well according to them, but if they have made the change already

 

[MBT]

hi mbt and thanks for the answer, cmq I have already tried to change disks but the result has not changed, with the time also being careful the disks deform, I tried also to buy disks brembo...cmq as I am enrolled in a volvo forum I saw that also other users complained the same problems,

I don't wonder. . .
There is no car that "well" for everyone... If it's okay, it costs too much!

have changed pliers and disks noting an improvement...it is obvious that they work well according to them,

I don't argue. but I bet a correct coffee that the test is "subjective" ("oh, now it's okay!") and not objective ("from 130 to 0 in 35.5 meters instead of 42,7")

but if they have made the change already for a long time and have not had problems according to me you can do, then cmq there are kits to do what I want to do, includes pliers, disks and brackets support to adapt them according to the model of the car only that they cost a lot, at this point I wonder why they allow these companies to put in commerce similar stuff if it affects safety?

Listen. .
everything you can do and everything you can sell.
find xenon kits also for panda 750 of '86.
Legal? No!
for sale? Of course! in any serious store.
Where's the trick? that in the box is written (magari in piccola) "not suitable for street use"
And with that they're fine... .

Are you lying to him? and what? commerce is full of these things!
an example of time ago, I don't know if the norm changed, it took multiple sockets to the field sold in any store and not to norm! Maybe things have changed over time, but...

If you prefer an example "carriage", here it is!
Have you ever seen these? ? ?all over Europe are homologated to snow chains. in Italy no! but this is not the point. the point is they sell them in any store... like multiple sockets, xenons and increased brake kits