cacciatorino
Guest
I think you have a much higher contract power than mine! :
Luckily, 99% of the business can do it from the office, it's all right until some law compels me to repay the home-office dip.
Luckily, 99% of the business can do it from the office, it's all right until some law compels me to repay the home-office dip.
TAURUS77
Guest
Hello again to all! !
the discussion is so interesting that I asked a friend my lawyer and how it was mentioned before you can establish an agreement between the parties for a refund at km but must be put black on white because in case of litigation the judge of turn will be done to the tables aci that are a supplement of the official gazette.
as it emphasizes hunter that they are "floated" also my friend confirms that I am deliberately inflated so as to touch the upper limit of the cost to the km of a car date according to the parameters before said (cilindrata, powerz, insurance, year,....bla bla ribla)
haga78
Guest
I don't want a hunter, but as someone has already written you want a full fight and a drunk wife.
if you want the solutions are found, without putting on the cross neither employees nor employers.
Take a look here:
http://www.autoeuropa.it/rent/index.aspxcar from € 20/day, monthly rentals at € 300.
and are not tax rates, I last week rented an intermediate car (peugeot 2008 hdi 100 cv), 6 days rental, total cost € 150 with risk insurance.
Do you a little...
if you want the solutions are found, without putting on the cross neither employees nor employers.
Take a look here:
http://www.autoeuropa.it/rent/index.aspxcar from € 20/day, monthly rentals at € 300.
and are not tax rates, I last week rented an intermediate car (peugeot 2008 hdi 100 cv), 6 days rental, total cost € 150 with risk insurance.
Do you a little...
cacciatorino
Guest
What are the full barrel and the drunk wife?
gil
Guest
Your accounts don't come back to me. I have a utility with low mileage, to me costs about 0.3 euros per km that is about in the tables aci. and I spend relatively little, because I have a small car that I'm making it last a lot. if you do the accounts you will see that around 0.4 euro/km is reasonable.
therefore, simply the employee to make the accounts well.
those who say "to the employee I pay him the drink and the rest not, and if he doesn't feel good the caccio" lever on the position. but for the employee are unpaid expenses that go to reduce the real gain of the job.
cacciatorino
Guest
I exposed my accounts, could you expose yours?
as I said the aci tables consider a rc insurance of 2000 euros/year when it will be at the limit of 400, and to calculate the cost of gasoline when the car is methane. I don't know from you.
the accounts made them the employee of the consultant of the job, applying acritically the aci tables.
I kindly point out that I paid the refunds to aci tables, although they feel unfair, without threatening the unbearable employee.
Sorry for these punctualizations, but it seems to me that even here's facebbok's runaway, that is to read distractively the post titles, and on the basis of an incorrect understanding to issue unrelevant comments. Given this fact, I am forced to intervene again to restore the correctness of the discussion and to avoid summary processes based on generalizations as abstract as wrong.
Cristallo
Guest
Blessed you.
for the car of my wife, (micra 1000 2006) in 1^ class, facilitation because woman, facilitation because it does not make an accident even with guilt contest for at least 11 years, facilitation because it mounts black box, pay 850 euros year...
cacciatorino
Guest
I pay 250 but this is not the problem, as the fact that the aci table applies to all a lump sum of 2000 euros, regardless of the cost actually incurred.
haga78
Guest
money in pocket, own car in garage and employee away with his car.
cacciatorino
Guest
I'll point out that I paid my employee's expenses, and I'll continue to pay them, in case you'd read the discussion distractively and have taken litter for lanterns: The employee didn't bring out a penny of his pocket. I'm just saying that the aci rates are inflated and translate into an undue extra income for the reimbursement, and instead they should be reorganized on real costs and not on those imaginatively born of a bureaucrat who had no desire to take into account the complexity of the world.
Unfortunately the Italian tax discipline does not allow professional books to have a company car as it is in any case considered the promiscuous use, allowing to charge as professional costs only 20% of those supported for the use and purchase of the vehicle.
cacciatorino
Guest
I read about a case where the gdf sanctioned a company's employees because they had been refunded gasoline at aci rates while in their area they bought it at a reduced rate. In this case, the penalty was imposed as the reimbursement of expenses higher than the actual expenses incurred was considered as an undue gain on which the tax had been evaded.
meccanicamg
Guest
if you go away with your private car you have the following consumption:
- fuel
- mechanical wear
- tyre consumption
- stamp and insurance
- possibility of passing through for work purposes
- fines and broken boxes
if you want to zero the cost of the employer, he buys a company car and provides it completely spent to the employee giving it as a corporate benefit.
all the rest is green mold
- fuel
- mechanical wear
- tyre consumption
- stamp and insurance
- possibility of passing through for work purposes
- fines and broken boxes
if you want to zero the cost of the employer, he buys a company car and provides it completely spent to the employee giving it as a corporate benefit.
all the rest is green mold
cacciatorino
Guest
I think you've only read the title of the discussion. It seems to me that I have argued extensively about all the costs you list without being able to approach the aci tariffs:if you go away with your private car you have the following consumption:
- fuel
- mechanical wear
- tyre consumption
- stamp and insurance
- possibility of passing through for work purposes
- fines and broken boxes
if you want to zero the cost of the employer, he buys a company car and provides it completely spent to the employee giving it as a corporate benefit.
all the rest is green mold
http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/threads/50138-rimborsi-chilometrici-dip?p=396017&viewfull=1#post396017and the company car:
http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/threads/50138-rimborsi-chilometrici-dip?p=396107&viewfull=1#post396107relative to fines: If I drive the company car, can I pass through red and pass through the corner and fines pay the employer? I know it doesn't work like that....
meccanicamg
Guest
for the fines you can tune what you want between the parties if you use the company car.
you also pay the hourly rate as you were working?
you also pay the hourly rate as you were working?
cacciatorino
Guest
What does this have to do with the discussion? here we talk about reimbursement of expenses incurred: pay travels for other channels, the employee takes his hourly pay + reimbursement expenses.
meccanicamg
Guest
the aci tables make text unless you agree otherwise black on white.
440 km with gasoline car euro 6 - 1200cc 3 cylinders you do them with about 50€ since they are not all lined with the cruis control activated at constant speed.
same new vehicle has complete insurance of 800€ divided 12 ago 67€ that sum to 50 fuel.
stamp is about 160€ divided 12 months ago 14€ and already at a total of 131€.
add only the tires that are 360€ divided 12 months ago 30€... what sum they make 161€... and you want to pay less the employee who travels for you?
I think we're not on the counts.
the private car used for business purposes must be paid by the employer also for fixed quotas since it exploits a tool of ownership not its own, for its interest. So if you want the employee to use his own car to exercise the activity you will have to pay all the expenses, then the aci tables take into account.
You go with your own car without paying stamp and insurance and scheduled maintenance....it is called train ticket, bus and subway.
gil
Guest
I do these accounts here, approximate.
a car (useful) costs 15'000 euros, with an average travel of 10'000km year and lasts 10 years. then vine scraped at practically zero or almost zero value. so the car will make 100'000km.
car depreciation cost
15'000/100'000 = 0.15 euro /km
stamp and insurance. 350 euro insurance + 150 stamp = 500 euro. They are very low values, but vabo.
500 / 10'000 = 0.05 euro/km
gasoline cost of a car that consumes little, but was bought for small walks, therefore without disel or methane plants
1.5 euro per liter for 15km/l = 0.1 euro/km
cost maintenance, coupons, various faults, revisions
300 euro year / 10'000 km = 0.03
total 0.15 + 0.05 + 0.1 + 0.03= 0.33 euro/km
calculation, I think by default. I did not compute costs for the remittance, I considered a life of 10 years that is not much, but higher than the average of the circulating cars, and a motor with quite reduced consumption. a good insurance fee, and the excellent forecast not to take fines. I have considered that in my life they will never steal my car, that they will never harm me to a firm car and that I will never make accidents in which I will be computed part of the fault and that I will not do any kind of insurance to cover these risks. In contrast after 10 years, maybe 1'000 euros evaluate it if I buy a new car.
with cars purchased specially for long journeys you can save something. But here we talk about private car of an employee who therefore did not choose it taking into account the needs of the employer.
0.33 euro/km x 440km = 145 euro which is little less than you were asked for
a car (useful) costs 15'000 euros, with an average travel of 10'000km year and lasts 10 years. then vine scraped at practically zero or almost zero value. so the car will make 100'000km.
car depreciation cost
15'000/100'000 = 0.15 euro /km
stamp and insurance. 350 euro insurance + 150 stamp = 500 euro. They are very low values, but vabo.
500 / 10'000 = 0.05 euro/km
gasoline cost of a car that consumes little, but was bought for small walks, therefore without disel or methane plants
1.5 euro per liter for 15km/l = 0.1 euro/km
cost maintenance, coupons, various faults, revisions
300 euro year / 10'000 km = 0.03
total 0.15 + 0.05 + 0.1 + 0.03= 0.33 euro/km
calculation, I think by default. I did not compute costs for the remittance, I considered a life of 10 years that is not much, but higher than the average of the circulating cars, and a motor with quite reduced consumption. a good insurance fee, and the excellent forecast not to take fines. I have considered that in my life they will never steal my car, that they will never harm me to a firm car and that I will never make accidents in which I will be computed part of the fault and that I will not do any kind of insurance to cover these risks. In contrast after 10 years, maybe 1'000 euros evaluate it if I buy a new car.
with cars purchased specially for long journeys you can save something. But here we talk about private car of an employee who therefore did not choose it taking into account the needs of the employer.
0.33 euro/km x 440km = 145 euro which is little less than you were asked for
Lettore espatriato
Guest
Excuse me, could you provide the source of this news?
The petrol zone at a reduced rate, which would be near the frontier? work near the border?
haga78
Guest
I read, I read, but I also read that you felt "unfair" such refunds, when already some have shown you that they do not differ much from reality, as soon as I have a little time I also publish my (private car).
cacciatorino
Guest
I'm just trying to prove that I'm a legal theft.
in the specific case we are talking about a car to Home (so I don't understand why you calculate the cost of gasoline), which pays about 400 euro insurance (so I don't understand why you calculate 800 euros a year), with already 200000 km on, then divide the costs on a monthly basis and not on a kilometric basis (this sincerely if you explain why I just don't get there). Maybe you responded a bit franticly without reading my deductions and counterdeductions well.
great, but I do not have to reimburse your costs but those of my employee, which as I seem to have shown are quite different (no one yet told me where I was wrong to calculate them). You don't want me to pay the kilometric cost of an audi r8 when a fiat 127 of 1974 is used, so I struggle to understand how your calculation applies to the situation we're discussing, and so I struggle to understand why you propose your costs when those that my employee bears are different.
I read it on this forum: http://www.giorgiotave.it/forum/deduzioni-e-detrazioni/65965-rimborso-kilometrico.htmlBut then I couldn't get back to the source, I'm sorry.
It seems to me that no one has shown where I've been so seriously wrong. everyone proposed to me the "their" costs, without having the ability to abstraction necessary to understand that someone could use a car different from them and therefore have different costs.
When I go back to your example, it's good for me to pay the bottle of wine you need to get my lady drunk, what I don't like is that then the bear claims that you pay two more because the disciplinary drawn up by the professor of the university of the barbera clarifies that for the drunkenness of a lady must always be drunk and in any case three bottles even when in reality one, or said in a different way, because