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refundable milage dip.

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In fact, my account is a servant that I have always done to compare the aci tables with what I spend as an employee and the refunds I know are always attested to 90/95% of the indications of the aci table, so there are particular situations where they do not work or are perfect escaping us what to charge in the cost.
 
For example, I do not understand why I have to pay my share of fixed costs (insurance, depreciation, etc.)
I do this example. I am your client, I come to you and I ask you to do an urgent job that will take you all day for 8 hours. at the end instead of being grateful for your availability, I give you 64 euros. I presume to pay 8 euro/hour, which I think is the cost of a designer. I don’t want to pay the costs you support for the study, software, computers, taxes and everything else because these costs you pay them regardless of the single day you dedicated to me.

if that described is an exceptional case, not to lose the customer, you will probably accept, even dig your teeth. But if the request should be frequent this could become a problem.

you can certainly ask for a cost review based on the medium used, but evaluate the thing also from the employee's point of view. If during this trip: it has an accident, it takes a fine, it breaks a glass while it is parked by your client, it lays a wheel. Who pays?
They're employee cabbage, right? therefore not only costs you much less than any other solution (car rental etc.), but also frees you of all variable expenses.

therefore if at the end of the month they remained in his pocket 20 euros, but in a year he stumbles into any of the problems mentioned, in the end he will return the employee. This is also an advantage for you.
 
I do this example. I am your client, I come to you and I ask you to do an urgent job that will take you all day for 8 hours. at the end instead of being grateful for your availability, I give you 64 euros. I presume to pay 8 euro/hour, which I think is the cost of a designer. I don’t want to pay the costs you support for the study, software, computers, taxes and everything else because these costs you pay them regardless of the single day you dedicated to me.

if that described is an exceptional case, not to lose the customer, you will probably accept, even dig your teeth. But if the request should be frequent this could become a problem.

you can certainly ask for a cost review based on the medium used, but evaluate the thing also from the employee's point of view. If during this trip: it has an accident, it takes a fine, it breaks a glass while it is parked by your client, it lays a wheel. Who pays?
They're employee cabbage, right? therefore not only costs you much less than any other solution (car rental etc.), but also frees you of all variable expenses.

therefore if at the end of the month they remained in his pocket 20 euros, but in a year he stumbles into any of the problems mentioned, in the end he will return the employee. This is also an advantage for you.
But my client could tell me, why do I have to pay your software license when I already have to pay what I'm letting you do the job? However, we can discuss the subject of fixed costs, and indeed in the accounts I did after I entered them, but they must be calculated adequately and not in such an unfair way as to the reimbursement.

p.s.: if these accidents (the rubber, the accident, etc.) happen during the transfer home-office, who is responsible for it? the employer or the dip.? With your reasoning, he could blame me because he was coming to me and if he was home, nothing would happen to him.
 
If these incidents (the rubber, the accident, etc.) happen during the house-office transfer, who is responsible for it?
on this you can inform you, but I really believe that unless otherwise agreement are employee cabbage.
for example during the transfer home office, godo of the cover inail. theoretically any accident traumas would be considered "injury" and not "disease".
This does not take away that the damage I pay them, and if I put myself in a ditch because I have not been attentive to the iced road I return to my pocket.
Why do I have to pay your software license when I already have to pay what I'm letting you do the job?
I don't understand. returning to the case. if the car is of the employee, the employer what does it lend?
 
p.s.: if these accidents (the rubber, the accident, etc.) happen during the transfer home-office, who is responsible for it? the employer or the dip.? With your reasoning, he could blame me because he was coming to me and if he was home, nothing would happen to him.
the home-office route could (if there is availability) do so by public transport, or by foot/by. He could also sleep in the tent in the sidewalk, absurdly. You don't make a difference. You care that he's there at 8:00 a.m. and he's out of the groin at 5:00 p.m. as this happens, they are his problems.
As far as, in case of accident "in itinere" there are proud sentences that make it pass as "injury" if you can prove that the employee was making the path shorter etc etc etc. etc.

different the speech of the use of the car "propria" for business purposes.
questions arise spontaneously... Why did I have to use my car? Why isn't there a company? Why did the vehicle get a start? would have happened the same if you had used it only for 2 km between home and work instead of the 200 that you s orbit to go to the client? and if the employee's partner needed the car to go shopping and instead, when the employee had to use it for you, did he hire one?
and if the employee had a lamborghini (why to do 2 km a day ....)? ? ? ? ?
 
I don't understand. returning to the case. if the car is of the employee, the employer what does it lend?
it would be as if the customer charged the cost of the cad license of my office, when my employee during the transfer is using the client's license. Then the client would tell me: "I'm already paying for the depreciation of the license that's using your employee, do I have to pay for the license he's not using? ? ? "
 
it would be as if the customer charged the cost of the cad license of my office, when my employee during the transfer is using the client's license. Then the client would tell me: "I'm already paying for the depreciation of the license that's using your employee, do I have to pay for the license he's not using? ? ? "
I mean, "shit," Suca, I got a few typings, I apologize, but I can't edit the message.
 
It seems to me very much a war between the poor in the sense that I understand so much hunter that the rules that seem to benefit the employee. what I do not understand is the client, willing to pay the 30-40 € of the call of the plumber who comes to rape the sink but is not willing to recognize equal dignity of entrepreneur but above all the technical skills to an engineer. Fortunately I had very few of these customers with whom, having no longer intend to work without dignity with them, I behaved the same way when I had the knife on the side of the handle: Do you need maths to make the car go? This is the account, and when I see the credited money, I'll turn it around.
 
I'm not offended. some allegories, maybe it helps to make more fun an otherwise boring discussion.

I miss the concept of double amortization.
if with the usual car I make 10’000km for 100’000 km in 10 years.
If you add 50km per year for work use, I may also not consider them in fixed costs to avoid discussions.

but in proportion, the basic logic is similar to 5’000km/year.
means more maintenance ( rubber wheels, coupons etc) and means that my car will arrive at 100’000km in just 6.5 years, forcing me to anticipate the change. costs I have to pay.

So with refunds I do not pay for my private use, but compensate for the increase in expenditure due to a greater journey. so I do not see a “double amortization”.
 
I read about a case where the gdf sanctioned a company's employees because they had been refunded gasoline at aci rates while in their area they bought it at a reduced rate. In this case, the penalty was imposed as the reimbursement of expenses higher than the actual expenses incurred was considered as an undue gain on which the tax had been evaded.
I would also like to know the source of that news.
What does it mean to buy cheap petrol?

The only case I know is that of agricultural fuel, but there tax fraud for improper use is for everyone, regardless of aci refunds.
 
I would also like to know the source of that news.
What does it mean to buy cheap petrol?

The only case I know is that of agricultural fuel, but there tax fraud for improper use is for everyone, regardless of aci refunds.
in friuli, in the areas close to the Austrian and Slovenian border, we have the gasoline facilitated
we make the discount, divided by bands, on the purchase of fuel from autotraction to the pump
 
I would also like to know the source of that news.
What does it mean to buy cheap petrol?

The only case I know is that of agricultural fuel, but there tax fraud for improper use is for everyone, regardless of aci refunds.
If it is not mistaken, it is border areas, in which, since gasoline over the border costs much less, it is possible for distributors to sell fuel at lower costs than the internal areas of the country. In this case the aci tariff made the fuel refund at the standard cost when instead the employees bought it at a reduced rate, thus drawing an undue profit not subject to taxation.
 
then annual costs of my car, renault clio 1.5 dci, for a journey of 15000 km annual.

oil: 1070 EUR
stamp: 198.43 euro
insurance: 845 euro
Revision effect: 32.50 euro
cutting: 440 euro
summer tyre assembly: 20 euro
Summer tire incidence: 100 euro
Winter tire incidence: 180 euro
vehicle depreciation: 1700 euro

Total: 4585 euro
Kilometer cost: 4585/15000 = 0.305 euro

hunter, as you see it beats with the aci rates, and we talk about a utility (no suv or flagship) and are actual figures, not count of the maid.

Please note the following punctuations:

gas oil: actual consumption (me a sign), supplies always made at the lowest possible price of the area (white pepper)

insurance: 845 euros are those that pay today, after 10 years, but in the previous years when my malus bonus was greater and the car was worth more I arrived to pay also 1250 euros, figure less than 2000 euros of the aci, but well beyond the 200 euros proposed by hunter. Then you should add the kasco (which I do not have), to cover your own damage (the rc only covers damage to third parties).

cutting: cutting standard 250 euros, cutting with distribution 700 euros every 5 years, in calculating 440 euros I considered the average over 5 years adding 100 euros annual for possible extraordinary maintenance (last year I had to replace a valve in suction 100 euros and I had to make cutting with distribution + bronzine + pads + disks, total 1040 euros :mad:)

depreciation of the vehicle: paid 17000 euros, planning to keep it 10 years
 
then annual costs of my car, renault clio 1.5 dci, for a journey of 15000 km annual.

oil: 1070 EUR
stamp: 198.43 euro
insurance: 845 euro
Revision effect: 32.50 euro
cutting: 440 euro
summer tyre assembly: 20 euro
Summer tire incidence: 100 euro
Winter tire incidence: 180 euro
vehicle depreciation: 1700 euro

Total: 4585 euro
Kilometer cost: 4585/15000 = 0.305 euro

hunter, as you see it beats with the aci rates, and we talk about a utility (no suv or flagship) and are actual figures, not count of the maid.

Please note the following punctuations:

gas oil: actual consumption (me a sign), supplies always made at the lowest possible price of the area (white pepper)

insurance: 845 euros are those that pay today, after 10 years, but in the previous years when my malus bonus was greater and the car was worth more I arrived to pay also 1250 euros, figure less than 2000 euros of the aci, but well beyond the 200 euros proposed by hunter. Then you should add the kasco (which I do not have), to cover your own damage (the rc only covers damage to third parties).

cutting: cutting standard 250 euros, cutting with distribution 700 euros every 5 years, in calculating 440 euros I considered the average over 5 years adding 100 euros annual for possible extraordinary maintenance (last year I had to replace a valve in suction 100 euros and I had to make cutting with distribution + bronzine + pads + disks, total 1040 euros :mad:)

depreciation of the vehicle: paid 17000 euros, planning to keep it 10 years
I think I've already told the asfinition that your personal costs are not related to the discussion, because I don't have to refund you but my dip, which uses a car with operating costs other than yours. you can also use a lamborghini, but my dip uses an old methane car, so I don't understand what your costs mean in my case (it is discussing precisely the fact that the aci rates are bovinmente rigid). In the specific case, you use the oil and the methane, are you saying that I have to repay the oil even when he uses the methane?

We try to prove that the costs I exposed are wrong, so maybe we start getting closer to the truth.
 
I think I've already told the asfinition that your personal costs are not related to the discussion, because I don't have to refund you but my dip, which uses a car with operating costs other than yours. you can also use a lamborghini, but my dip uses an old methane car, so I don't understand what your costs mean in my case (it is discussing precisely the fact that the aci rates are bovinmente rigid). In the specific case, you use the oil and the methane, are you saying that I have to repay the oil even when he uses the methane?

We try to prove that the costs I exposed are wrong, so maybe we start getting closer to the truth.
yes but the problem place is to understand whether the aci rates are reliable or not, if they are reliable then they should be also in your case.. .

Then:

Kilometer refund of my car from aci tables is equal to 0.3628 euros.
value from me calculated on actual costs is 0.305 euro.

So...


source tables aci:
http://www.gazzettaufficiale.it/do/atto/serie_generale/caricapdf?cdimg=16a0847300000010110002&dgu=2016-12-22&art.datapubblicazionegazzetta=2016-12-22&art.codiceredazionale=16a08473&art.num=1&art.tiposerie=sg
 
yes but the problem place is to understand whether the aci rates are reliable or not, if they are reliable then they should be also in your case.. .

Then:

Kilometer refund of my car from aci tables is equal to 0.3628 euros.
value from me calculated on actual costs is 0.305 euro.

So...


source tables aci:
So you think it's right to apply a generic table, which may not suit the specific case, rather than study the real situation and apply quota ratings.
 
yes but the problem place is to understand whether the aci rates are reliable or not, if they are reliable then they should be also in your case.. .

Then:

Kilometer refund of my car from aci tables is equal to 0.3628 euros.
value from me calculated on actual costs is 0.305 euro.

So...


source tables aci:
or we rebalance the point of view, always useful to understand the point of view of our interlocutors: If the aci tariff would offer you a cost that you consider less than your real cost, would you accept it because it is the "aci table" or would you ask your employer for an integration?
 
At the end of the day, it seems to me that the cost of the kilometer of the aci tables is shifted to the upper limit of the field of variation that must be there. . In fact, it's a bit of a force, since the costs vary considerably even at the same rate of cars, but I also see it difficult, however, to draw up "real" tables.
simple reflection from Monday morning. . .

Hi.
 
We saw that the rates are similar.
someone says they are approximated by excess, but in my opinion only because you do not compute the variable costs for any previously mentioned unexpected.

to answer your question I would ask you to agree on an appropriate tariff.
If we don’t deal with it, I’d come to work by bus, so you could better deepen real costs by having to buy or rent a car for the purpose.

If my refusal threatens the job, I might be forced to accept your terms. but it's a way to subpoena an employee. like those who claim not to pay you overtime, or only to set up part time while working 40 hours a week.
 

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