info workstation cpu 1x i7 vs 2x xeon

[strudeldemele]

Good morning to all,
I should buy new ws for use sw 2017/2018 and, considering that, at equal price (my budget, unfortunately limited) an i7 seems more performing than one or two xeon (also xeon at low cost xeon that I can afford are the worst of the range):
- I wondered how to understand if it is better an i7-9700k (benchmark 17.256 - 4.90ghz) or two xeon in pair silver 4108 (bench 10,664 - 3.00ghz); I do not know much about it and I would also like to understand better how to compare a processor vs 2 processors (I imagine not having to consider twice as fast as its speed, from what I understand, in certain operations should speed up a lot)

- I also wondered whether, in case of an integrated video card and a nvidia, if the integrated one somehow contributes to the work done, or if, being there an ad-hoc, the first is completely disabled by the system....in practice I would like to understand if from the offers the pcs with two cards (1 integrated and a nvidia) have an extra march.

Please help me, among all the offers I have received, I don't know how to get rid of it.

thanks to all in advance
Happy holidays!!!! !

 

[ale47p]

you can try to ask for advice to those of the software, what you should do according to them.
resources are used more or less well based on software if it is written well...
I don't know that software so I can't help you.
for the video card it is always better to use a dedicated, usually with the nvidia is a stupid thing... right button in the background (on windows) nvidia control panel or settings or what it is in short, and imposed that always go nvidia rather than the integrated one

 

[strudeldemele]

?? ! !nn I understand what you mean.. I speak about software hardware nn (with if I meant solidwork)
x the video card I would like to understand if/how they interact the integrated card as the dedicated nn I have to change the settings
Hi.
Thank you.

 

[ale47p]

I mean, who gives you the software can advise you better, that's all.

 

[Legs]

the nearest xeon processor as performance and number of cores at i7 9700k is the w-2145.
the 4108 series is more to be used in server-type machines.
I did a web search and found this article quite interesting:https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/solidworks-2016-multi-core-performance-741/is an article a few years ago but it is interesting to note that a high number of cores can only serve for renderings. in normal use only one core is exploited even if there are interesting improvements up to 8 cores. beyond are practically useless.
in the article there is no particular problem about the speech of the protected memory and therefore the ideal candidate remains the processor i7 although at the time it was the 6700k while today it seems to me that the 9700k is the ideal processor.
I can only add that in my opinion if you have to do even a lot of numerical analyses with finite element calculation programs it might be worth using a processor with protected memory (ecc) such as w-2145.
if you want to save something do not underestimate the i7 8700k or the xeon series w-2125 - 2135.

 

[biXel]

There are two approaches to acquiring something:
the first is that you do not take care of expenses because you can and therefore you can exaggerate regardless
the second is that you have a certain budget and you have to choose the right compromise, you also know what you have to do.

In the first case the answer is simple.
take the best that exists at the level of technical cards and do not think about it.

In the second case, if you know the two architectures and the real differences that you carry behind, if you have documented well if the sw takes advantages from a cpu with 12 cores but average operating frequencies rather than a cpu with half the cores but very high frequencies, then you already have an idea where it is better to allocate the budget.
However in general, xeons are excellent for server use accompanied by memory etc or rendering where the amount of core makes the difference more than the frequency,.

for modeling also falls a nice i7 (or i5) with frequencies above the 4 ghz with so much ram (at least 16gb better if 32 so no longer costs as once ) and a dedicated video card picture class (to be chosen with ocularity especially if you have to manage assembly 3d body daily ) and ssd disc are more than enough to operate without frustration 8 hours a day.
where I work I have mixed machines (with xeon and i7) and picture cards of various types.
sincerely few differences in everyday life.
on the lenovo p51 you work well, to understand.
I enjoyed benching for the only taste to see numbers.
with assemblies of about 140 parts in session, zero differences in fhd.

something is known in studies where we can have minimum 5 times the number of parts mentioned above.
but let's talk about it, the difference drops very much by setting some cad-side setting and/or driver configuration.
So, in this case, I would not spend the difference between a xeon or an i7 or i5.

is the sw cad that makes the call on the added vga and if it detects its presence it will be she who works otherwise will be taken into account the only present or the integrated one.


This is my feedback I can tell you about
win 10 with tc 11 and nx11 integrated + another nx standalone session.[emoji3526]

 

[TAURUS77]

This is the configuration I recommend to you already recommended in another discussion.... maybe now prices compared to before will be changed a little.... in any case I repeat it.

msi z390 a-pro €132
ram hx436c17pb3k2/32 €397
cpu i7-9700k € 421 (with oc 5ghz on all cores)
sink noctua nh-d15 €90
psu seasonic prime ultra gold 850w €195
vga picture p2000 5gb €432 or picture p4000 €735 or picture rtx 4000 €900
ssd m.2 samsung 970 pro 512gb €185
hd wd black 2tb€ 105
case corsair obsidia 750d airflow edition €169

 

[TAURUS77]

of the double cpu configuration you don't make a stern at least you don't make, fem, cfd pushed

 

[biXel]

I did not consider that if you are a home office user, a configuration assembled DIY you can consider.
any problems on the individual parts you have to arrange.
If you want a system with a support package of a certain type, instead, consider precision systems or lenovo thinktation that you can configure online.


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[biXel]

Now that I am a little smarter, I add: and the monitor?
if you have to take that too, if you can let it lose the 16:9 and go on format 16:10 closer to the caddiste/graphic needs.

I as a DIY configuration, the one recommended by taurus make two observations (I would say objective):
vgafor what offers the p4000 compared to the p2000 I do not justify the extra 300 euros of difference (and since you are on a limited budget...so money you can invest in other, like an additional 3d mouse for example or a quality monitor ).
cpul'oc (overclocking) ) the a priori clashes especially if 1st you are not sufficiently 'formed' in this matter (many think it is one thing within reach of all, actually it is not exactly so ) 2° if you do not have time to lose (to find the necessary stability you need time and prolonged tests to have what? a relatively marginal performance return, as you do not have to play quake 3 arena against stermy at 120fps ); I also return to the speech that if the cad uses it by hobby is an account, if you will do it for work, then the oc is to let go.
Therefore, if you want to save, let the cpu intel lose with the final k (they are those that allow oc ) that you would not exploit.
caseis so big, heavy and bulky.
considering that you do not have a dual vga configuration, which you have not raided from 3 or more internal disks is oversized and expensive (a good compact case and a motherboard micro atx are more than enough to accommodate components that heats relatively little).
(because not to evaluate even mini itx solutions.. costs little and the majority also has built-in wifi/bt which is more difficult to find on different formats )
heatsinkliquid-powered (all in one ) provides substantially better performance, they are simple to install and do not weigh on the components that must sustain them. Moreover they have fans that help to remove the heat that is formed inside the house.
the best known brands are the corsair and coolermaster
ramoversized by frequency and pay more than you need. 3600mhz make sense if you just have to play in oc. if it is not your case ram from 2666 mhz fall into the standard for intel socket 1151 platform for coffee lake architecture

If you have patience (and maybe you tell us the budget ) I will give you two config (an entry level but usable and a technically more performing, but you will only notice it in particular cases ).

 

[TAURUS77]

If you want a system with a support package of a certain type, instead, consider precision systems or lenovo thinktation that you can configure online.

... at a cost of at least 50% more than a assembled.... I charge 50%

 

[TAURUS77]

Now that I am a little smarter, I add: and the monitor?
if you have to take that too, if you can let it lose the 16:9 and go on format 16:10 closer to the caddiste/graphic needs.

I as a DIY configuration, the one recommended by taurus make two observations (I would say objective):
vgafor what offers the p4000 compared to the p2000 I do not justify the extra 300 euros of difference (and since you are on a limited budget...so money you can invest in other, like an additional 3d mouse for example or a quality monitor ).
cpul'oc (overclocking) ) the a priori clashes especially if 1st you are not sufficiently 'formed' in this matter (many think it is one thing within reach of all, actually it is not exactly so ) 2° if you do not have time to lose (to find the necessary stability you need time and prolonged tests to have what? a relatively marginal performance return, as you do not have to play quake 3 arena against stermy at 120fps ); I also return to the speech that if the cad uses it by hobby is an account, if you will do it for work, then the oc is to let go.
Therefore, if you want to save, let the cpu intel lose with the final k (they are those that allow oc ) that you would not exploit.
caseis so big, heavy and bulky.
considering that you do not have a dual vga configuration, which you have not raided from 3 or more internal disks is oversized and expensive (a good compact case and a motherboard micro atx are more than enough to accommodate components that heats relatively little).
(because not to evaluate even mini itx solutions.. costs little and the majority also has built-in wifi/bt which is more difficult to find on different formats )
heatsinkliquid-powered (all in one ) provides substantially better performance, they are simple to install and do not weigh on the components that must sustain them. Moreover they have fans that help to remove the heat that is formed inside the house.
the best known brands are the corsair and coolermaster
ramoversized by frequency and pay more than you need. 3600mhz make sense if you just have to play in oc. if it is not your case ram from 2666 mhz fall into the standard for intel socket 1151 platform for coffee lake architecture

If you have patience (and maybe you tell us the budget ) I will give you two config (an entry level but usable and a technically more performing, but you will only notice it in particular cases ).

Well! if one wants to save also the amd series wx 5100 and wx 7100 are excellent are for years that I am amd and never had a problem....a little less performance than nvidia but by cost clearly lower.
for the oc by now there are a lot of computer labs that provide you all nice ready with a safe overclocking.
the big house allows you to have low temperatures thanks to the greater recirculation of air......I had small houses of all kinds with various types of cooling but no one from the performance of a big house....poi each face as you want (work with a cooler master cosmos ii and the temperatures are a handful of degrees above that environment)
on the heatsink they agree....but the eyes that the looms have a neat duration lower than those with air.
for rams you are right....but if cpu is overclocking the higher frequency ram from an extra boost and the system becomes more responsive.
last consideration I would not underestimate a workstation based on amd both side cpu and vga

But still today is the overclocking? ? ?

 

[TAURUS77]

on the network I found this configuration

• processore amd ryzen 7 2700x 3.7ghz otto core 16 threads fino a 4.3ghz in turbo core
• liquid heatsink
• 32gb ddr4 3000mhz
• ssd m.2 250gb smsu 970 evo
• hard disk sata3 1 byte
• masterizzatore dvd
• scheda madre amd x370 crossfire
• video card radeon pro wx 5100 8gb
• scheda sound 5.1 onboard
• lan 10/100/1000 onboard
• modulo wifi 300n
• memory card reader sd
• 750w certified power supply 80+ gold
• Midi tower home sound absorbent with control speed internal silent fans

the price is 1639€ does not seem exaggerated and the components are of quality.....I would change only the ssd with a 500gb..... what do you think? can you link the site?

 

[biXel]

... at a cost of at least 50% more than a assembled.... I charge 50%

If the car stops work, they cost.
so also there, as I wrote, depends on the type of use it will have to make.
If he speaks plural (new worksation) I perceive that he probably has to put them in a study.
ego works on us.
assistance, in those cases, has an added value not to underestimate absolutely.

cpu amd are valid and are not to be excluded.
for the vga amd instead, I would let it go.
drivers are definitely improved, but cmq have never been as reliable as nvidia.
not in working ambio.
So I wouldn't think twice about it and I'm painting my whole life.

on oc and all the rest I have already expressed myself.

motherboards that support multi vga configurations only raise the price and serve nothing.
Again, you don't have to do a gaming configuration.
Does the dvd burner still exist? :
the duration of the heatsinks are such as not to cause any concern.
at that moment (but not for any part of the PC ) you will already have span configurations ahead...and maybe to update due to the socket change etc.
Of course, it would also be necessary to understand (if we have to do the pinions ) if we want a configuration that remains such for 10 years ( utopia ) or has an update plan already in mind.

Show us the deals they made you with the cofigs and the prices. If you already have it in your hand, let's do it first.

 

[strudeldemele]

Hello everyone
thank you very much for the explanations... very exhausting... I attach you some offers (pc rental)
I believe to point on an i7-9700 and nvidia p2000 5gb - 32 gb ram
double xeon (or even single) don't give me good impressions; I have also proposed an i9 but it seems to me that it is still premature (they cost a lot and they say I am not yet stable)

 

[strudeldemele]

to finite quotes I will have to understand if I want to rent (even if I don't believe) or if I agree with an ad hoc assembly (if the technician doesn't take too much margin it seems to me to have a better product)
Among other things, I have the impression that the lenovo preassembled, of or other, have a mixture of good quality and parts to the remarriage (I have already had bad experiences); more than anything, the boss pushes for the rentalfor not having to pay immediately 10/15k€ but I'm trying to convince him otherwise.
However they are proposing me all lenovo thinktation 330 with i7 and nvidia card

thanks for the courteous support
Good day

 

[biXel]

to finite quotes I will have to understand if I want to rent (even if I don't believe) or if I agree with an ad hoc assembly (if the technician doesn't take too much margin it seems to me to have a better product)
Among other things, I have the impression that the lenovo preassembled, of or other, have a mixture of good quality and parts to the remarriage (I have already had bad experiences); more than anything, the boss pushes for the rentalfor not having to pay immediately 10/15k€ but I'm trying to convince him otherwise.
However they are proposing me all lenovo thinktation 330 with i7 and nvidia card

thanks for the courteous support
Good day

on the i7 I agree (i9 and very recent and pay so much because it is a new processor of parcel ).
the price/performance ratio is unfavorable compared to slightly more dated cpus.
You pay a bang at the beginning to have marginal improvements often perceived (and I repeat here depends a lot on what you do, but we understand what you need ws).

for the speech rental or leaning on type houses of the or lenovo, or making a configuration and such remains until the next renewal machines, I remember that there is also speech assistance and reaction times.
with some and lenovo you have reaction times equal to the day itself or at the most the day after.
Does it count for the company? I think I do, or maybe not.
if you get rid of the machines (here it happens: there was a die of different painting in a short time also because of problems of engineering of the cooling system itself ) what do you do?
Do you have to put yourself on the guarantee? disassembly... carry them I don't know where...etc etc.
and the user still? Do you have another swab ws?
If you are aware of this and are ready to deal with any issues like... then ok.

Moreover, if you make contracts of a certain type, they normally offer you recent hw at prefixed deadlines.
In short, there are various possibilities.
these must be carefully evaluated by you.

 

[TAURUS77]

to finite quotes I will have to understand if I want to rent (even if I don't believe) or if I agree with an ad hoc assembly (if the technician doesn't take too much margin it seems to me to have a better product)
Among other things, I have the impression that the lenovo preassembled, of or other, have a mixture of good quality and parts to the remarriage (I have already had bad experiences); more than anything, the boss pushes for the rentalfor not having to pay immediately 10/15k€ but I'm trying to convince him otherwise.
However they are proposing me all lenovo thinktation 330 with i7 and nvidia card

thanks for the courteous support
Good day

by curiosity but in total how many pcs do you need?

 

[ale47p]

I’m still curious to know if sw in combutta with win10 can take advantage of the resources of a 2k euro workstation.. .

I would like to see in comparison of a pc like this https://www.ebay.it/itm/272733535468(if you cannot put links I apologize early)

it is not polemic, it is curiosity, really

 

[TAURUS77]

I’m still curious to know if sw in combutta with win10 can take advantage of the resources of a 2k euro workstation.. .

I would like to see in comparison of a pc like this https://www.ebay.it/itm/272733535468(if you cannot put links I apologize early)

it is not polemic, it is curiosity, really

hi ale47p! start with telling you that sw turns a little on everything.... even with i3 and dual cores of old generation.... the problem is not if it turns but how it turns. with the smartest cpus in frequency it goes to wedding especially for single core activities while for activities that require more core today cpus give an extra boost..... considering that today there are fast multicore cpus on all cores..... as for the vga also with the 1050ti you should be able to work decently and you can enable the real view with the registry keys.... However, in some circumstances it may have slowdowns due to unenhanced drivers in particular with heavy wire frames and consistent assemblies. often on the American forums of solid works I see a common tendency to overcloak cpus what here scares many..... As for me with win10 I'm finding myself well and my ws don't have any particular problem indeed these ws or pcs assembled next generation have spikes that help a lot as in new ssd nvme that on 4k and 4k qd32 files have a march the most in boot stage and open various programs. in the pc you linked I would change the power supply with a decent one and the heat sink for the cpu with one air or liquid of good quality.