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[torok]

and he doesn't have all the twists
I'll be waiting for the day to come to the office with the help man (650 euri sigh)

and now for a year that we have gone to solidworks (now I have 2010 ) but every time we start to build assemblies with more than 200 components including toolboxes the system goes to stall for a 1-minute coupling idem to delete a component .
in one of these axioms I tried to bind a part giving a concentricity between two holes .. well I try to make it rotate and before you see the shift passes 1 minute plentiful
the machines are new of the certificate for solidworks with fx3700 picture and 64 bit view (will this be the problem?) I have already tried to restore the installation but the problems I had also with 2009.
I'm sure the problem comes from an incorrect use of the program because I don't think you understand things like that especially with axioms not large.
often and willingly in the masses of parts of large size disappear entirely the views to then reappear, as well as the lines dotted the visuals the quoto and then I do not know why they disappear (in a design I can no longer make them reappear but I have remained quotas).
always in a table I see the threads in a section view but I can't quote them in any way I close the table and here I can quote them.
are so many small things (maybe not so small) that are making me miss a sea of time
I'm not finding any complaints like that on the forum. I'm convinced that the problem is in the creation of assemblies, but I've come to a point where the situation is becoming unmanageable and I need help to identify the problem.

 

[Er Presidente]

eye to the interferences, the cads "strange" if in the assemblies you have pieces that intersect.

 

[cacciatorino]

two tips:

1) used to work by grouping some subaxial components

2) verify that you have no conflict, even if you should see it when you try to insert a new component.

However I assume that you have some problem with the pc, 200 components are not many, always that it is simple details. if instead they are 200 cast iron stocks with 350 features each things change obviously.

 

[torok]

What do you mean by interference?
bodies intersecting each other?
actually one thing I should try is to disable all the screws

 

[torok]

two tips:

1) used to work by grouping some subaxial components

2) verify that you have no conflict, even if you should see it when you try to insert a new component.

However I assume that you have some problem with the pc, 200 components are not many, always that it is simple details. if instead they are 200 cast iron stocks with 350 features each things change obviously.

no no simple pieces 2 doors 2mx2m mounted on 2 brackets in turn mounted on a disk to allow a rotation of 180°
tomorrow I try to send a photo of the certain axieme that then I should do sub-assiemi from a dozen components.

 

[cacciatorino]

no no simple pieces 2 doors 2mx2m mounted on 2 brackets in turn mounted on a disk to allow a rotation of 180°
tomorrow I try to send a photo of the certain axieme that then I should do sub-assiemi from a dozen components.

I use a lot of subaxis, actually of no more than 20-30 components, and I find it great benefit (but use solid edge).

However the v2010 of solidworks is still very new, perhaps for this reason few users use it and therefore do not find feedback on the forum.

 

[Er Presidente]

What do you mean by interference?
bodies intersecting each other?
actually one thing I should try is to disable all the screws

I mean that.
the screws, if you can, do it with the male at the bottom of the thread and the female at the crest, or vice versa, so you don't have unnecessary interference.

 

[marcof]

no no simple pieces 2 doors 2mx2m mounted on 2 brackets in turn mounted on a disk to allow a rotation of 180°
tomorrow I try to send a photo of the certain axieme that then I should do sub-assiemi from a dozen components.

200 components like those for a machine like yours are a bisk. I on a portable work with assemblies ranging from 800 to 1600 and passes components without any problem.
I think there's something that doesn't really fit in the axieme, like a circle of circular references, redundant constraints, and who puts it more.
try to suspend everything and reactivate the various parts in order from the first and see if the worsening is progressive or is a particulate component that slows everything down.

Hi.

 

[Mike1967]

and he doesn't have all the twists
I'll be waiting for the day to come to the office with the help man (650 euri sigh)

and now for a year that we have gone to solidworks (now I have 2010 ) but every time we start to build assemblies with more than 200 components including toolboxes the system goes to stall for a 1-minute coupling idem to delete a component .
in one of these axioms I tried to bind a part giving a concentricity between two holes .. well I try to make it rotate and before you see the shift passes 1 minute plentiful
the machines are new of the certificate for solidworks with fx3700 picture and 64 bit view (will this be the problem?) I have already tried to restore the installation but the problems I had also with 2009.
I'm sure the problem comes from an incorrect use of the program because I don't think you understand things like that especially with axioms not large.
often and willingly in the masses of parts of large size disappear entirely the views to then reappear, as well as the lines dotted the visuals the quoto and then I do not know why they disappear (in a design I can no longer make them reappear but I have remained quotas).
always in a table I see the threads in a section view but I can't quote them in any way I close the table and here I can quote them.
are so many small things (maybe not so small) that are making me miss a sea of time
I'm not finding any complaints like that on the forum. I'm convinced that the problem is in the creation of assemblies, but I've come to a point where the situation is becoming unmanageable and I need help to identify the problem.

I also took some, specifically ws precision 7400 with quad core at 2.6 ghz and your own video card.
Are you sure you have optimized solidworks?
pay attention to image quality voices, lower resolution
shaded.
other setting that lightens a lot is the display status
during the change of a part in a set set on "maintain transparency".
Also, make sure you have not set the dissection automatically.
toolbox, do not insert bolts in display "schematic" but limited to
set on "cosmetic", but better still "simplified".
If anything proves a setting at a time, you will see that you will find the steak ban.
other advice from a self-taught: okkio to how you draw the parts, more external references there are, or that go into loops, more solidworks will make you pay in terms of time.http://help.solidworks.com/2010/italian/solidworks/sldworks/assembly2/best_practices_for_mates.htmhttp://help.solidworks.com/2010/italian/solidworks/sldworks/assembly2/mating_conflicts_to_avoid.htm

ciao

 

[Er Presidente]

...I on a portable work with assemblies ranging from 800 to 1600 and passes components without any problem.. .

But finish it!
This is about "pezzi" not "pezze"!
:biggrin:

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

other setting that slows down the system very much and "places the components dragging", very comfortable for charity, but on big average assemblies is a suicide.
better assign to the commands move and rotate buttons or, with 2010, a mouse movement.
then as already told by others to use subaxes as much as possible, and to load over a certain amount of details the light weight axieme.
I also add this, but I could say a cable because we use the 3d mainly for internal use then the designs we deliver them made in autocad, streamline the details, as well as simplifying the sketches prefecting to use more functions, even omitting bevels and rays if not strictly indispensable; a verified project is added to the table.
I remember that once I had found a very cool gearmotor with all the details, downs, bevels, fins, fan and so on, that in fact already weighed a huge amount once mounted on the axieme was an oscar premium agony... replaced with a fact with a couple of cubes and a round that simulated the encumbrances, terrible to see one must say, it slipped away like a babe. This was an extreme situation, but to make the idea...

 

[re_solidworks]

I think the problem is more at the root and depends on how the parts and assemblies are built. even if with assemblies of 200 pieces there should never be problem by shaping even very bad.
it does not take the magician to work well, but you have to be very careful and fiscli during modeling and learn to choose the preferred modeling roads from swx.
in the parts you have the ability to control the regeneration times for every single feature, already this should help you understand how to shape lighter parts.
then you have to put the right quarter of details, if the toolbox screws are full of fittings, bevels, etc... weighting and it would be better to use lesser screws.
In the end, you have to check the axioms, since it is precisely in these that you find problems in the couplings.
Have you tried to check with assemblyxpert if there's any signals that aren't? For example if you do a coupling between a repeated component and one inserted the program is much slower in solving this coupling.
to go further I should see the models, but I guarantee that with a medium-range workstation (of the cost of 1000-1500 euros) you manage carpentry assemblies of at least 10000 components.

 

[incapace]

go to ug or pro ...butta via swx!

 

[marcof]

go to ug or pro ...butta via swx!

Rotafl!
"but let me enjoy it... " [cit.]

 

[blubossa]

go to ug or pro ...butta via swx!

Many believe that for large axioms pro/e is much better than swx, what do you think?

How many parts do you have to have a set to say it's a big set?

Hi.

 

[michele81]

Many believe that for large axioms pro/e is much better than swx, what do you think?

How many parts do you have to have a set to say it's a big set?

Hi.

I use them both and work with assemblies up to 5000 pieces (magari 15000 covers) without having noticed differences of time. I press that I do not use toolbox on so big assemblies, but parts and together are connected by rather dense references between them.
I'll tell you more: pro-e had been presented as a very fast with incredible demos in terms of time and regeneration, instead it behaves like sw.
Maybe with even bigger assemblies you can notice difference....I don't know!
generally known that sw assimis with too many details slow down much, especially if they are toolboxes; Look at how many people use it and understand if they need it. can be useful to use specific configurations in which to load the defect, to be suspended during normal modeling

 

[Oldwarper]

I assume there are no problems at the level of pdm, server and brain management of files.

iho there are big problems with external references between components.
try some together (after saving a copy) to select various details and in list external references interrupt them in all. Many times circulatory references that devastate reconstruction, or particular (species derived from surfaces) that "enter" and for which it is preferable to make a body save in a new part so as to eliminate history and use a rigid "pezzo" that cannot be reconstructed.
if you do not need to use external references that are not mating worked in axiemi in modalita' interrupted references so as not to dimensionally bind the details between them. then it will be necessary to change them in manual.

In practice, a "fine tuning" of the way of work is necessary. I guarantee that's the problem. I assimilate with so many of those references between the components that make scary (some inserted by me others by tooling programs). the first times were tragic, but learning away to "abandonate to oneself" the unnecessary bodies (mobile or fixed leave, so much so that they had not to move) and content themselves to bind only what was necessary (if the screw turns, chissenrfrega...), they solved so many problems of models that "impu**anavano" mysteriously.

another "truck" to avoid as much as possible repetitions in sketches, but prefer it in function repetitions. The increase in speed is dramatic: an extrusion of a sketch in which there was a few hundred sunshades: reconstruction wanted some minutes: eek: eek:. made extrusion of the external profile, cutting of two sunshades and repetition of cutting function, reconstruction was instantaneous.

bind the fixings to the repetitions of holes, so as to bind only one, use as much as possible the "fix" as coupling and subaxis for rigid assemblies not involved in the movement.

make components with 2 configurations: a "complete" with fittings, fittings, nervenets and various finesses for production and drawing details and a "simplified" to be inserted in the assemblies. the functions so suspended will not be rebuilt.

in external options-references do not upload the documents in reference.

surfaces. the connected functions slow down very much and often give problems of reconstruction that drag into the axieme. to make files in which they "work" such surfaces and then to save in new part of the "object" to be inserted in the axieme, blocking external references. in case of change, change the part with the surfaces, open the file with the locked solid object, unlock the references and update it. It sounds brain-like, but sometimes it's the only way I can't wait half a day for a reconstruction. . .

assimilate with very complex details. the parts that so must be and not relate dimensionally to treat them as above, or temporarily erase the story by saving them in new parts as solid and inserted into the axieme. the changes will be harder to manage (a modified detail will not be automatically in the axieme, it will be necessary to update it by opening both files), but to extreme evils. .

I have very complex molds with myriads of details, especially fixations and at the passage to 2010 I did not notice big performance differences.

Maybe it's more "hard" to digest than calling one of the assistance... needs a great job of lightening the modus operandi. Maybe some targeted course can help you.

 

[michele81]

How long did we get all these tips?
do you think that at the end of a basic course would not be correct to give them?
so that those who bought a software from thousands of euros know how to start working. ..without getting to the point of believing that sw is a program crap. .

 

[Oldwarper]

How long did we get all these tips?
do you think that at the end of a basic course would not be correct to give them?
so that those who bought a software from thousands of euros know how to start working. ..without getting to the point of believing that sw is a program crap. .

difficult for a sw, even mechanical, very "generalist" everyone to have the same needs and need the same strategies of work.
difficult even that one remembers everything that in the very fast and very concentrated courses is said in frettinfuria to "optimize" times (and costs).
even more difficult (it takes years) to have a mastery of sw and its behaviors so as to "to domesticate" them to their needs. and overcome problems.

then the "titular" claims that the assistance arrives and that with four "clicks" on the server and 2 on the options solves the basic problems of the technicians, being able to give them maybe "infections" when, always by hypothesis, they were denied the advanced courses because "they cost too much" (and maybe the commercial to check on the price did not insert them) and if his daughter did the tesina to the high school with vvvord

Sometimes it's not always the fault of classes or instructors... only often...:tongue::

 

[Oldwarper]

I mean that.
the screws, if you can, do it with the male at the bottom of the thread and the female at the crest, or vice versa, so you don't have unnecessary interference.

I can guarantee that swx cares nicely. You can buy what you want me to miss... and sometimes this is a problem...

thousands of matching screws in assemblies, never had problems because of these.

problems arise with zero-thickness functions ( tangent holes and tangent holes). There are pains. .