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alternativa a thinkdesign?

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Hello, everyone! :smile:
I would like to ask you more experts than me some advice for choosing a cad 3d.

for more than ten years I use only thinkdesign, which satisfies my needs, exploiting its merits and circumventing its defects. But I'm considering resigning it, replacing it with some other solution that guarantees continuity and support for the future... Given the current situation of think3 :frown:

the use is the mechanical design of products for the heating sector (ball valves, vnr, thermostatics, fittings, etc.). the models realized will then be the basis for small assemblies, constructive drawings, prototypes with cam, illustrations/exploses for documentation and manuals.

I saw the demos of solidworks and solid edge, which left me a little bitter in my mouth, with the impression that starting to draw you must already have a very clear idea of what you go to achieve. with the limit to draw one part at a time.

in the design phase, however, my habit and colleagues is to have a lot of flexibility especially if the product is completely new. often happens that various components are developed parallel to the same model, referring to each other as profiles, alignments, etc. we also add that in the same design environment it is necessary to import pre-existing drawings in 2d and use them for profiles, placements and verifications.

I would say that thinkdesign so far has facilitated this approach by allowing some useful situations:
  • in the same model (not the environment together) allows the contemporary insertion of more 2d entities, 3d objects and surfaces;
  • 3d objects can be based on profiles (not necessarily parametric) and features, with their own history, or they can be made up of solid imploded surfaces;
  • a versatile worktop that can be instantly translated and rotated at any snappabile point of visible entities;
  • supports copy/paste of all entities, related to the work plane, in the same model or another.
excuse the long premise, the above is to better expose my question.

which 3d software can I evaluate to find the flexibility I seek, or approach it? Of course within certain limits I am available to review the working method and the approach to design, but I cannot overwhelm it:

thank you in advance to those who will help me! :finger:
 
Hello, everyone! :smile:
I would like to ask you more experts than me some advice for choosing a cad 3d.
I think it's worse than getting divorced from his wife, especially after ten years of coexistence! :biggrin:

apart from the jokes, if td suits you, why change? I would put the problem in case of real problems, but I think that for now there are no problems: even if the think3 closes tomorrow, your software would continue to work for a long time, since windows 7 I think will long remain the standard platform for professional applications.
 
I think it's worse than getting divorced from his wife.
If nothing else, you do not end up in court :rolleyes:
apart from the jokes, if td suits you, why change?
the reasons are various. First of all, if think3 closes, the support could be at risk. Since the license is unique to the id-machine, if a workstation is to be replaced or reinstalled, who could generate a new id for the license? :frown: I would not have to resort to the hexadecimal editor. . :biggrin:

Moreover the intention is to buy (if everything is okay) more stations in the coming years, also for colleagues who currently plan only in 2d; It is clear that if think3 disappeared, the choice of a new cad would only be postponed. so much it is worth starting with the right foot, if possible, entrusting me to a software with reasonable prospects of life. :smile:
 
which 3d software can I evaluate to find the flexibility I seek, or approach it? Of course within certain limits I am available to review the working method and the approach to design, but I cannot overwhelm it:

thank you in advance to those who will help me! :finger:
By reading your premises I believe that I create parametric (ex pro/e) is a good alternative but as you have rightly written the methodology of work should be reviewed a moment, which would not be overwhelmed but surely changed, given the demands and sharing of information you want to pass the top/down approach will become essential, as well as the possibility of working in parametric or explicit.
what "wonders" me is that both swx and if you have left the bitter in your mouth, but I think it is due to a bad "tarata" demonstration according to your needs.
Have you ever evaluated it or would you like to evaluate it?
greetings
 
Hello, everyone! :smile: ... cut...the use is the mechanical design of products for the heating sector (ball valves, vnr, thermostatics, fittings, etc.). the models realized will then be the basis for small assemblies, constructive drawings, prototypes with cam, illustrations/exploses for documentation and manuals.

I saw the demos of solidworks and solid edge, which left me a little bitter in my mouth, with the impression that starting to draw you must already have a very clear idea of what you go to achieve. with the limit to draw one part at a time.... .
What demo did you see? They left you bitter in your mouth for what specifically? ... this to get a detailed idea, without sawing your legs a priori.
I talk about solid edge (solid works I don't know it in detail so I can't comment. . but I have never had the limit of knowing 100% what I have to do before modeling it, and the limit of drawing a part at a time with the st5 of imminent distribution will be overcome with the multibody, even if you should understand well what is the vs. design approach.
...other than jokes, if td suits you, why change? I would put the problem in case of real problems, but I think that for now there are no problems: even if the think3 closes tomorrow, your software would continue to work for a long time, since windows 7 I think will long remain the standard platform for professional applications.
I agree... if it suits you td, but it seemed to me that time ago think3 had closed, then acquired by poured (use), then court cases and Italian return... Now I have no idea how they're put.
the reasons are various. First of all, if think3 closes, the support could be at risk. Since the license is unique to the id-machine, if a workstation is to be replaced or reinstalled, who could generate a new id for the license? :frown: I would not have to resort to the hexadecimal editor. . :biggrin:
that of having a partner that guarantees support/assistance over time I would not underestimate it.
Moreover the intention is to buy (if everything is okay) more stations in the coming years, also for colleagues who currently plan only in 2d; It is clear that if think3 disappeared, the choice of a new cad would only be postponed. so much it is worth starting with the right foot, if possible, entrusting me to a software with reasonable prospects of life. :smile:
In fact, you would feel different retailers, siemens (nx and solid edge), dassault (catia and solidworks), ptc (creo), autodesk (inventor) to quote the most used and make you make ad hoc demos, to see how they address the problems you encounter. among other things seen the period not rose many of these make discounts and offers on their products.
 
[cut...] definitely the top/down approach will become essential, as well as the possibility of working in parametric or explicit. what "wonders" me is that both swx and if you have left the bitter in your mouth, but I think it is due to a bad "tarata" demonstration according to your needs.
Have you ever evaluated it or would you like to evaluate it?
greetings
from my point of view 'inexperienced' I also think that the top/down logic will be the approach to be sought. I agree with the demos: certainly that of solidworks that I have seen had been marked as generic/knowledge and the technician wanted more to highlight the functionality of the cam that he proposed bundled. In fact I had predicted the possibility of combining a cam, but this need has now been put in stand-by. :smile:

Thank you. to evaluate the solutions I created I contacted the company that already gives us the licenses of creo direct/drafting (they are official ptc retailers), but in this case before I asked a preliminary meeting to define the topics that will be the 'trace' of a subsequent demo.
What demo did you see? They left you bitter in your mouth for what specifically? ... this to get a detailed idea, without sawing your legs a priori.
In principle I was very disoriented because I was in a working environment without the peculiarities that made me appreciate thinkdesign (listed in my first post). then maybe to those features you get to different streets, but they haven't been shown to me.
My research aims to identify the software that approaches thinkdesign as a method of work (and, consequently, allows to change mine as little as possible, maintaining efficiency in the works to be carried out. idem for colleagues).
...and the limit to draw one part at a time with the st5 of imminent distribution will be overcome with the multibody.. .
This is very interesting information, I have seen now a couple of videos on youtube. :finger:
...it seemed to me that time ago think3 had closed, then acquired from poured (use), then court cases and Italian return... Now I have no idea how they're put.

un official document on their website, at 31 December, the period of authorization for the provisional exercise of the activity is indicated. would be plausible then an extension... !
 
Try throwing an eye at powershape, while reading your description seemed to me to see its product specifications. . .
 
Thank you, it seems a really interesting product! I'll try a demo to make me better aware of its potential. it would be nice to find that it manages a history of the processing features for solids.
certainly has very good potential that can come back also useful in other contexts.
 
Yes, on solids manages the feature tree. you can work either by directly modifying the features sketch profiles or by varying the parameters and then the tree is regenerated. Obviously you can integrate the surfaces (bezier and nurbs) as a feature and continue to change them with the surface modeling tools even if they are part of the solid.
 
which 3d software can I evaluate to find the flexibility I seek, or approach it? Of course within certain limits I am available to review the working method and the approach to design, but I cannot overwhelm it:

thank you in advance to those who will help me! :finger:
I'm afraid, from a pure technical point of view, what you need is a product like nx that has the flexibility you're used to.
we have replaced t3 in some customers in the last year and I understand well what to report.. .
the problem is the relative costs of adopting a high-level cad platform.
... although lately, as someone said here, the costs have come down.
 

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