archicad o vectorworks 2010 architect??

[epasinet]

I am interested in switching from win to osx and not whether to buy archicad or vectorworks 2010 architect.
personally I had the opportunity to try them in demo both and the superficial impression I had is that archicad is rather rigid and mastodontic to maneuver while vw less specific but more versatile. Certain ceh if vectorworks in addition to the good 2d also includes a 3d nurbs modeler the comparison with archiform holds fatigue!

what I would like to understand is what concrete advantages has archicad for assisted design (creation tables, calculation volumes, areas and automatic computation) respect vecotworks.
no one before me rated both software in the design phase to understand its limits and differences?
obviously seen the premises and above all seen the cost per license proposing to the overwhelming for vectorworks architect but I would not like to find myself with a good 2d program and a good modeler but a poor bim!!!

Thank you.


enrico

 

[lory.b]

I am not able to give you an assessment on which software is best because I know archicad only superficially.
I know vw well and I can only talk to you about this. vw is a hybrid cad, that is, allows to work in 2d as a "tiralinee", and being also a bim, it is possible to use parametric objects such as walls, doors, windows, etc. with related information databases linked. it also allows to model free forms especially thanks to the nurbs.
consider that, if you come from acad, of course you will have to face a new way of working, starting from zero and without preconceptions. making a switch is always very challenging in terms of time and also mental resources.
I do.

 

[DarthVader]

I never used vw but if you want I can give you some info about archicad.
For example, you should better explain what you mean by "hard and mastodontic to maneuver" because in my opinion it is the definition that more than a distance from archicad.. .

 

[epasinet]

Thank you guys!

for lory:
I am not frightened at least by the switch considering that it is already use in depth rhinoceros and I have worked several years with architrion of the bagh and currently along with autocad use addcad.
I like the choice of integrating in vw a modeling engine nurbs because especially in the field of architecture does not place limits of modeling.
is it complete or is it acerbo? I have seen ceh only in the ita version there is the module to model parametric scales and this thing leaves me rather interrupted on the completeness of the architectural version!?!? Can you tell me if you can easily perform metric computes, surface and volume collides, and calculation of illuminating surfaces? ?

for darthvader:
My judgment on archicad as a premise is very superficial. the impression I had is that to draw you must follow the path imposed by the software without too much freedom. but I repeat it is only an impression. I felt like I had a very steep learning curve.
I also didn't like the fact that to pull two lines you have to buy a plug-in aside that I didn't try and in fact, for example, I didn't find the useful offset command! If the offset is missing let's figure out what else is missing for the 2d...

I know that there is no perfect software but I am trying to understand what fits most to my use i.e. having an autocad type tyrant and a parametric program for architecture so as not to place design limits and assist me from the beginning to the end of the project and that finally allow me to export a good 3d model manageable in advanced software coem lightwave, mode or cinema4d.

cmq thanks to all for contributions.

 

[lory.b]

I am not frightened at least by the switch considering that it is already use in depth rhinoceros and I have worked several years with architrion of the bagh and currently along with autocad use addcad

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Well, this is a good start any software you choose.

is it complete or is it acerbo? I have seen ceh only in the ita version there is the module to model parametric scales and this thing leaves me rather interrupted on the completeness of the architectural version!? ! ?

I do not use the ita version, but the international and in the architect module there are the parametric scales; We'd miss the opposite!
as I have already told you I can't compare with other bim software like archicad, allplan or revit, because I don't know them. However, the two have a limit in my opinion, which concerns the rigidity of the object in relation to the flexibility that would serve to represent our building.

you can tell me if you can easily perform compute metrices, chops of surfaces and volumes, and calculation of lighting surfaces

You? ?

Yes, and I know that in the Italian version there are also more specific tools for our needs.
I suggest you download the demos of these software because the only way to evaluate them is to try them.
I do.

 

[DarthVader]

Thank you guys!

for lory:
I am not frightened at least by the switch considering that it is already use in depth rhinoceros and I have worked several years with architrion of the bagh and currently along with autocad use addcad.
I like the choice of integrating in vw a modeling engine nurbs because especially in the field of architecture does not place limits of modeling.
is it complete or is it acerbo? I have seen ceh only in the ita version there is the module to model parametric scales and this thing leaves me rather interrupted on the completeness of the architectural version!?!? Can you tell me if you can easily perform metric computes, surface and volume collides, and calculation of illuminating surfaces? ?

for darthvader:
My judgment on archicad as a premise is very superficial. the impression I had is that to draw you must follow the path imposed by the software without too much freedom. but I repeat it is only an impression. I felt like I had a very steep learning curve.
I also didn't like the fact that to pull two lines you have to buy a plug-in aside that I didn't try and in fact, for example, I didn't find the useful offset command! If the offset is missing let's figure out what else is missing for the 2d...

I know that there is no perfect software but I am trying to understand what fits most to my use i.e. having an autocad type tyrant and a parametric program for architecture so as not to place design limits and assist me from the beginning to the end of the project and that finally allow me to export a good 3d model manageable in advanced software coem lightwave, mode or cinema4d.

cmq thanks to all for contributions.

The offset is quiet! Besides there are all a number of functions on the 2d very useful, that in my short (brrrr) experience with autocad I had not found. archicad allows to do a little everything in reality even without the plugins. for a little spindle modeling, it is probably useful archiforma (I think we arrived at version 3) on which I saw reconstruct the guggenheim of bilbao. I can confirm that software learning is very quick and intuitive, and cinema4d also collaborates very mene with archicad, sincerely I don't know the other programs you mentioned. as a parametric in my opinion is exceptional, as a design 2d has nothing to envy to autocad, indeed if anything the opposite.
if you set everything correctly, in one shot only you plan drawings, sections, prospectuses, assonometrics, perspectives, computations, etc. without need to retouch the elaborates

 

[epasinet]

Thank you guys!
Now I'm more confused than before! vw has from its inviting price but known that archicad has a big spread in Italy and is very appreciated!



panic

 

[enri]

If I can say mine for what I know, vw is much more flexible in the complex modeling of archicad/archiform, there is no comparison, and. according to me for that, continue on rhino when you can. Of course you have the disadvantage of having to import.
vw also has a 4d cinema exchange plugin, they are both sw, of nemetscheck.
I do not understand, but it takes so much to make a plugin to convert the models 3d .sat, igs, step, or even only 3dm to gdl to use them in archicad?

 

[warburg]

I also answer while not being a user of the two software. I noticed that vectorworks is the least-supported bim or quasi-bim in absolute, along with allplan, in the internet. that is, there is very little informative-didactic material. in Italy, then, the site of the importer has a forum on very poor and unpopular vw; there are no books or almost: When I was trying the demo, I tried to find something about modeling 3d, but the only available book couldn't get it in Italy (the author himself wrote it to me). In short, in my opinion it is difficult to spend thousands of euros to work with such a little software among users: I speak of course of who should start from scratch to learn it. If I do not, however, this forum has one of the most informed people in Italy, lori b., and it is already a great starting point.
I know on the contrary that archicad is very widespread and on the net there are many materials and tutorials.
personally, I did not take it because made two economic accounts was not competitive with the offer that at that time made me autodesk.

 

[epasinet]

I also answer while not being a user of the two software. I noticed that vectorworks is the least-supported bim or quasi-bim in absolute, along with allplan, in the internet. that is, there is very little informative-didactic material. in Italy, then, the site of the importer has a forum on very poor and unpopular vw; there are no books or almost: When I was trying the demo, I tried to find something about modeling 3d, but the only available book couldn't get it in Italy (the author himself wrote it to me). In short, in my opinion it is difficult to spend thousands of euros to work with such a little software among users: I speak of course of who should start from scratch to learn it. If I do not, however, this forum has one of the most informed people in Italy, lori b., and it is already a great starting point.
I know on the contrary that archicad is very widespread and on the net there are many materials and tutorials.
personally, I did not take it because made two economic accounts was not competitive with the offer that at that time made me autodesk.

interesting aspect!
In fact, between me and me, I was just evaluating the "diffusion" aspect.
frankly despite being a very mature software, I find archicad little inviting for the price of 3'600€ against the 2'000 and broken of vw 2010 architect.

the fact is that my goal is to increase my productivity and quality of work and to do this I wanted to pass from autocad lt 2000 to a more specific software for architectural design type archicad or vw 2010 architect. Therefore I am asking for advice, to try to understand which is the best train on which to climb considering that learning a new software for a study is an effort that requires besides an economic investment also an investment of time and training and you will understand well that it is better to avoid radical mistakes.

my intention is to design in parametric to automate sections, brochures and planners; to design in 3d having greater control over structural construction and volumetrics; to have a streamlinement on the stage of commutation; to have a 3d model to export to a rendering software like way, cinema4d or lightwave3d.
you will understand well that all this does not imply the only narrow evaluation of the program and its functions but also the integration that this program manages to have in a pipeline of work with other software such as rendering software, modeling software for the import and export of complex models, computation software for the realization of computation meters, price list, etc., etc., etc. all on osx platform.

As for archicad I have already had direct experiences as I make with lightwave and often designers pass me 3d models made with archicad and I must say that export is perfect. I also saw that both archicad and vw import autocad .dwg files but I did not try the opposite, exit from archicad and vw to enter autocad (a fundamental aspect for the interchange between professionals).
then I would like to understand the integration for computation with dedicated programs like str, discount it or primus.. .

In short, I ask for help to those who have more experience in this matter who believe it is a discussion that may affect other architects or building engineers of this forum.

thanks to everyone again

enrico

 

[DarthVader]

I can then testify as archicad and cinema4d on osx have no problem, indeed they work discreetly better than on winzozz

 

[enri]

the spread counts to a certain point. If you use autocad and stay quiet because you have the cad and the most popular format and then you lose hundreds of hours for a wrong use of the computer tool for architecture, it doesn't make much sense. rather counts according to me the productivity and support from the distributors, that for vw is of great level, and everything in Italian obviously.... besides lory that is not little.. :
at the limit there is the aspect of skills, if you have people who go and come to study, stationary etc., it is more likely to use autocad than any other cad, and are productive immediately, but considered the question described above, I think you save more time to take a course of a week for the designers!
I think you must first try them both, any speech on the card counts little.

 

[lory.b]

my intention is to design in parametric to automate sections, brochures and planners; to design in 3d having greater control over structural construction and volumetrics; to have a streamlinement on the stage of commutation.

I work in a study (mac/wv) where they still make strictly two-dimensional architectural while the 3d model develops separately in parallel. Although the latter is my main task my direct bim experience is actually very limited.
However on the website of the nna there is an entire dedicated section - bim in practice - with downloadable examples of projects that demonstrate how to use vw as bim and with what results.
I suggest you download them and take a look at them;http://www.nemetschek.net/bim/projects.phpcation
lo

 

[un_poldo]

hi, I happened in this topic a little by chance because hp intends to evaluate the best sw between the 2 above described.

Now, I still don't know which of the 2 is better for me (I'm considering with demos), but I think I understand that both archicad and vw are comfortable because they already have doors and windows ready and it takes a second to insert them, but it gives me the impression that you do not have all this freedom in representation. I mean, those are there, and you care.

I now model the 3d from dwg files that come from studies that work in two-dimensional with autocad.
I use rhino and maker in cinema.
I have these software because I don't just do architectural rendering but I do something else and rhino is definitely irreplaceable for me, while cinema allows to make fantastic both outdoors (so buildings), and products in general and interior.

It is true that it takes a lot to pull up the building since I have nothing ready and I have to build everything, but if little at a time I create my own 3d door/window library and all those standard architectural elements, I think I don't spend so much time.

You're saying, aren't you?

 

[Marcogeo]

hi, I happened in this topic a little by chance because hp intends to evaluate the best sw between the 2 above described.

Now, I still don't know which of the 2 is better for me (I'm considering with demos), but I think I understand that both archicad and vw are comfortable because they already have doors and windows ready and it takes a second to insert them, but it gives me the impression that you do not have all this freedom in representation. I mean, those are there, and you care.

I now model the 3d from dwg files that come from studies that work in two-dimensional with autocad.
I use rhino and maker in cinema.
I have these software because I don't just do architectural rendering but I do something else and rhino is definitely irreplaceable for me, while cinema allows to make fantastic both outdoors (so buildings), and products in general and interior.

It is true that it takes a lot to pull up the building since I have nothing ready and I have to build everything, but if little at a time I create my own 3d door/window library and all those standard architectural elements, I think I don't spend so much time.

You're saying, aren't you?

I'm still trying a 2008 demo of vw but the difficulty that laments do not exist (at least in the architect version) because you have a total parameterization of the fixtures therefore also of the sguinci, of the panels or of the glazings, but also of any railings to the infix and radiator under the window.
Clearly if you work in 2d you will have less difficulty representing a given object while the 3d forces you to think it for how it actually shows in its forms and volumes. we need more preparatory work but then the result will be far better.

 

[epasinet]

I too am living the dilemma if buying vw or archicad.
I am interested in architectural design software so that I can improve my work compared to 2d design and have more control over the project.
the limits of these software hope nn are on the possibility to realize customized doors, windows and railings but rather on other fronts type design and therefore correctly represent for example batching projects!
I also agree that I would be interested in understanding whether there are substantial differences in the possibility of achieving estimative computations of projects that are being carried out. for example it is that archicad has a plug-in ke it is called archiquant but nn I managed to understand if it is able alone to "supply" compute, capitulate, price list, etc.
If you do more or less?!? ?
It is difficult to navigate in this world because there are complete and impartial reviews and it seems that these software do everything and more but unfortunately the steps that make an architectonic project are many and must be well managed all and then you can discuss the other nuances that can make a difference between software and another.

 

[Marcogeo]

for the truth the doubt I solved it by buying vw that I hope you arrive tomorrow (this holiday devil!!!). from the evidence I have seen that vw can realize a good basic capitulate but it is certainly not a program for computed and accounting. However, it should be said that by export you should be able not too much to import everything into a suitable program. However, I think that a program should be able to carry out its work well without looking for those complications that could lead to an error not immediately recognizable and, what is worse perhaps, not correctable. In short, too much accuracy of the measures would deprive us of that necessary elasticity.
years ago I had a chance to try archicad for some time and, honestly, I did not get excited. I found it too rigid and complex. vw, of which I used the minicad progenitor in the second half of the 90s, instead I find it much more accessible in everyday use while some advanced solutions are a little more elusive (see in the tutorials found on the net).
As soon as I get started a job and I hope to be able to provide in short the first experiences.
So far, with the demo, I have found some difficulty in organizing the electronic sheets but more than all the insertion in the dtm of a project. The difficulty is not of the programme but of the impossibility of saving and therefore developing a job.

 

[epasinet]

but excuse how it is possible to import a compute born of vw in other software for computations? ?
I believe that the usefulness of being able to design with bim software is to be able to automate many redundant joint processes and facilitate certain complex operations.
For example, the possibility of generating prospective plants and interacting sections or helping in the complex phase of editing the metric task that the software if well "instructed" during the design phase could generate almost automatically! !
then we should discuss interchangeability with other software. bim nn programs can do everything and therefore should be able to dialogue and exchange with other software.
design requires a certain pipeline of programs and vw or archicad that they should be able to dialogue with autocad, structural and plant design programs, with advanced renderong programs and computation programs. . .
In short, at the end it is very difficult to understand for us users what program you have more requirements and closer to perfection? ! ?

 

[Marcogeo]

but excuse how it is possible to import a compute born of vw in other software for computations? ?
I believe that the usefulness of being able to design with bim software is to be able to automate many redundant joint processes and facilitate certain complex operations.
For example, the possibility of generating prospective plants and interacting sections or helping in the complex phase of editing the metric task that the software if well "instructed" during the design phase could generate almost automatically! !
then we should discuss interchangeability with other software. bim nn programs can do everything and therefore should be able to dialogue and exchange with other software.
design requires a certain pipeline of programs and vw or archicad that they should be able to dialogue with autocad, structural and plant design programs, with advanced renderong programs and computation programs. . .
In short, at the end it is very difficult to understand for us users what program you have more requirements and closer to perfection? ! ?

vw can make electronic sheets that can be exported. I have to check the format but I do not doubt it is a generic format of those that even any compute software is able to import. this happened already in domuscad that it did not have a real electronic sheet inside.
the rest of your right remarks I do not see them compromised with vw. cmq as soon as I have a way to work there will be more precise.

 

[epasinet]

Thank you! I want to know how to behave vw on the field considered ke for me to buy one or the other does not make me difference! indeed vw would cost half!!

I just stay with the big deal dilemma. if to make a complete compute for a public work it is compulsory to use a dedicated software, how can vw and archicad interact with such software if they produce pseudo compute tables thus preventing any possible synergy with other specific computation software!??????!??!?!???! ? ?