autocad shopping advice for pc or mac

[carp]

Hello!

I am in the condition of having to buy both the computer and the software, so I can choose to work on both pc and mac, what do you recommend me?

Obviously there is a huge difference in costs, but I care to know about which platform the cad gives the best.

Thank you.

 

[PlannerRoad]

version for windows. No doubt.
autocad for mac is still too "young", can have some sense if one already has a mac and does not want to buy a new pc, but since you still have to buy the pc, it makes no sense to go on that version.
ps: go to a 64-bit system.

 

[gil]

Since mac mounts the same intel processors, the same pc motherboards, having abandoned the ppc platform, the hardware is basically the same as a pc.

who buys mac (knowingly), does it for the macos operating system, among the macos qualities, however surely there is no support to cad programs, which is indeed young and limited to some software house.

so a mac is basically a disadvantage in this sector (see that flame they expire), except for the fact that you can do the cool by dealing with a modern pre-post-ante artist with twisted chich.

 

[aldebaran]

the cad on mac is not so young. archicad was born on lisa and present on mac until 1984, domuscad since 1990, other programs such as vectorworks, architrion and many others until the 80s, autodesk made a version for mac in 1992, but the users mac did not like it because judged it equipped with a primitive interfacccia and little integrated with the rest of the environment, they did not buy it preferring the other cad, especially the parametric architectural ones. I have been using domus.cad for over 20 years, collaborating with colleagues who use windows without particular problems and other colleagues do the same with programs such as archicad vector orworks. I recommend reading this article on the development of cad on mac http://news.interstudio.net/2012/04/21/cad-per-mac-evoluzione-del-cad-su-macintosh/

 

[Giuseppe Mauro]

The cad won't be young on mac, but it's definitely autocad.
If carp needs autocad, planner's advice is not such a thing. It's almost an obligation.
the first recent version for mac, autocad (I think 2010?) had 210 limitations (210! 210 things less than could do compared to the homogen version per pc!)

Then for the rest I find that gil is right to sell. First you could justify the price diversity with the hardware difference.
now is a pc (other than with a limited hardware options park) in a mac container.
You pay almost double, if not more, just to have an osx.

The beauty is when you find people who buy an imac27 and put us on win7:biggrin:
the maximum of economic waste!

 

[aldebaran]

The cad won't be young on mac, but it's definitely autocad.

Although from the anagraphic point of view it is not completely true, since a version of autocad for mac, was made in 1992, it is certainly from the point of view of how autocad supports mac, currently it is a hybrid that is neither meat, nor fish, is not equal to the version for windows and is not well integrated with the macintosh environment.

I naturally refer to the statement that the cad is young on mac, which is not true, and although for many the word cad is synonymous with autocad, for me it is not and should not be even on a forum specialized like those of cad3d.

I agree with you that if a professional needs to buy a computer to use autocad, then starting from the program and not from the computer, it doesn't make much sense to buy a mac, so much it is worth buying a machine with windows that spends less and use autocad on an operating system with which it is more integrated.

I don't want here to be discussing whether it's better mac or windows in the technical field or in other fields, since we're going to applications that will run on the web, independent from operating systems, I find it now an old and old discussion.
I personally prefer mac and I do so since 1984, professionally, with programs of various kinds, without particular problems, but it is personal preferences. in my study (associated) we use indifferently mac and win, without problems, according to personal preferences, programs used, general organization. we have to say that lately, since mac mounts intel processors, we are replacing pcs, via-via that become old, with imac (normally 22 inches from 1000 euros), but I understand that our is a particular case, because it allows us to decrease the total number of pcs, since on mac we can turn different operating systems on the same machine. some of us use mac mainly with windows, with boot on windows and occasionally use mac for some programs, others do the reverse or use a virtualizer with a couple of windows above (xp and seven), someone has over also linux ubunto. in fact a mac is the most compatible machine with everything and this in some cases makes it preferable.

buying autocad on mac for me makes sense only for those who having an office completely organized with autocad, with jobs made with autocad, designers who know only autocad etc., decide for any reason to buy a macintosh and want on this to install the program cad equal to others who already has and who already knows. in this case it is not a problem even the documentation, that also in the version for mac refers to the version for windows, so much the program already knows it.

for others, for those who buy for any reason a mac and look for a cad is preferable to choose a cad born on mac for mac and therefore more integrated with the machine and with the operating system (like and congruent user interface, equal basic commands, in the same place, with equal menus, equal keyboard shortcuts, copy support and paste and drag and drop between applications, support of internal technologies of the operating system, such as quickcloudtime and other

 

[Giuseppe Mauro]

some of us use mac mainly with windows, with boot on windows and occasionally use mac for some programs, others do the reverse or use a virtualizer with a couple of windows above (xp and seven), someone has over also linux ubunto.

Here. That was the waste I was talking about. make a comparison between identical apple and non apple hardware, and you will understand how the apple dress will weigh on the final cost.
today having an imac is equivalent to having a good 159, dressed in body shop ferrari. But we don't think it's a ferrari, just because we paid it like a ferrari and in the eyes it looks like a ferrari. on the road remains a 159.

in fact a mac is the most compatible machine with everything and this in some cases makes it preferable.

This is another assumption of the "mac-keys", which is based on metropolitan legends.
But the mac is today, a platform where the choice of pieces is limited to a very tight range.
and is limited for a very specific reason. the stability of the operating system.
That's why the ox is so "blasoned."
in practice apple sells a car, dressed as ferrari, with frame and engine of 159, in whose booklet is written that can circulate only on perfectly asphalt roads and free of holes. and that's why the "simil ferrari" always reaches 200 per hour. because it always circulates (and only) in optimal conditions, on roads without traffic:smile:
If this is compatible...

buying autocad on mac for me makes sense only for those who having an office completely organized with autocad, with jobs made with autocad, designers who know only autocad etc.

Well, you hit the mark without wanting to.
The hypothetical office you're talking about, it's called a market.
and it is so widespread, that the other programs "become" to be compatible autocad.
others boast of not only compatibility, but also the identical interface. and this allows to avoid forming users who would only use that (not autocad) program.

for others, for those who buy for any reason a mac and look for a cad is preferable to choose a cad born on mac for mac and therefore more integrated with the machine and with the operating system (like and congruent user interface, equal basic commands, in the same place, with equal menus, equal keyboard shortcuts, copy support and paste and drag and drop between applications, support of internal technologies of the operating system, such as quickcloudtime and other

It's been a long time, isn't it, you don't work on a windows system? Try working for a while.
you will discover ole incorporations, images and other amenities
you will discover type ctrl-c in photoshop, ctrl-v in autocad, and with alt-f4 not only close windows, but also you can close autocad (or word, photoshop, or any other program)
You will find that you can drag a photoshop object into the autocad window (but also open programs) without problems.
I think you stayed at 3.11 win:smile:


You want to say that the vinyl sound is the only really perfect (which is true). the cd supplanted him.
You mean the picture on film is better than digital (which is true). closed the kodak film division, while the digital scrause rooms are in each mobile phone.

It's not the absolute quality that makes the market.
is the highest possible quality combined with versatility.
You see it with the smarphones. useless having an iphone from 700 euros if I can't exchange a file with a friend via bluetooth (iphone only exchanges with iphone )
I prefer at this point a 300 euro galaxy, which weighs half, costs half, you change the battery if you run out and has soft free to bizzeffe.
then probably will have a little lower performance. but for what I paid and the weight I'm carrying, it's in great shape.
files out the apple stores for the new iphone, are funny pictures. people who take themselves to dick to make the "hot-fucking little bow," but come on.

with this I do not want to say that apple products are not valid, more than clear.
but when I look at the "chic-friendly puppy" that flaunts its iphone or its book air, I immediately think "there is another very smoke and substance to check"
Here I found a similarity of products in the female field (that will be clearer to many)
mac: pamela anderson (or victoria silversted)
pc: sofia loren (or maria grace cucinotta)

:biggrin:

 

[enri]

an audi is not equal to an octavia, although they are of the same displacement and are equal. the engineering of a product is not a thing you eat, and even design, even if secondary.

 

[cacciatorino]

an audi is not equal to an octavia, although they are of the same displacement and are equal. the engineering of a product is not a thing you eat, and even design, even if secondary.

definitely bring you to the same destination with the same consumption, the same comfort and the same performance. The only difference I give you is that the skoda is devalued more, but it's just because there are people who value added to four circles screwed in front, as well as the laced lace glued behind.

 

[Giuseppe Mauro]

an audi is not equal to an octavia, although they are of the same displacement and are equal.

Well, actually, the example isn't fit.
engineering is nothing.
Today a mac internally is identical to a pc.
same processor (motor), same motherboard (plan), same boot (hard disk), same wheels (ram).

There's the difference that if I really want or need, on a mute pc the plane that hangs me (I always and only mounted skede asus, which lasted 2-3 generations of processors)
in apple this does not exist. You take that because that's the only one that apple mounts and approves. and if you need 6 pci-express connectors, well you'll need a different solution.
I chose to have a mother sk with 16 usb ports available, 6 sata connectors, an exata connector, integrated raid controller and possibility to mount pata discs, as well as other small amenities.
Can you find me the apple homologue, please?

and above all, about 3 years ago, I mounted a sk video with 1gb of ram ddr5, quadcore processor and 2 1tb discs each

3 years ago, it cost me 800 euros. today an imac scrauso from 21 with disk from 500 and sk video from 512mb part (part!) from 1200 European poor.
It will be an audition, but my octavia runs more costing less, and especially runs more since 3 years ago:biggrin:

 

[gil]

But man. .
pc and apple hardware is exactly the same, it does not take a genius to compare the price of an assembled equivalent and so understand that a mac costs more. the history of building quality are fregnaccie, the pieces are always those and also apple has had its problems.

the difference is only the macos operating system for apple against windows per pc. so if you are willing to pay the majority because macos approaches more to the needs of people can be a reasonable choice.

for a professional the advantages of macos are: few viruses, increased stability, trend image offered by the product.
i cons: less availability of software and hardware, more cost.

today many software does not work for mac for example: revit, inventor, 3ds, mastersap, etc...

if then a person
1) keeps us having a computer that makes cool
2) is willing to spend 2/3'000 more for this.
3) use autocad, archicad, or allplan and has no interest in anything else, even in the future.

Then it's good to get apple.

 

[enri]

Regardless of the fact that it is most likely to be much better autocad for win today, then if you ever see how much autodesk will optimize the version for mac, just not to go ot, I must note that you have never seen/opened a mac, otherwise you would not say that the hardware is equal. hardware does not only mean components such as cpu, gpu ram hd, but all the computer itself. I'm sorry, but the example fits really well, indeed, I do another one, you would say that the f1 ferrari is equal to the sauber because they have the same engine? (bé...magari almost today, but let's miss the moment no, hopefully momentary.. :d ) hardware is not the same for nothing. as an audi is not equal to a skoda, but have you ever mounted? as a leic goal is not equal to a canon, ( yet do the same thing), etc., but strange case when talking about apple, instead it costs more because it is cool. It was a sweet and gabbana hat. . samsung recently tried to make a laptop similar to the macbook air (figo and that costs a thousand euros) had not only failed, but it cost more...
then obvious there are many needs, and apple is not champion of freedom of options, but let's say the truth, in how many cases do they really serve?

 

[aldebaran]

I'm talking! as I said I do not want to impede me in wars of religion and let you decide whether it is better mac or windows. I have a few years and these speeches have been feeling them for too long, I go to the forum mac and they are all there that there is year with those that they call "winsozz", here instead we talk about mac.chiani etc. I let them and you continue these discussions, I had intervened only to correct an inaccuracy. I see that then it has deviated on cars (it has nothing to do with the topic, but at this point I can say that I had a skoda for 13 years, up to 3 months ago, 200000 km without particular problems).

a clarification and an answer I owe to centurino, who asks me a direct question. I usually use macintosh and windows (xp and 7). for example use nolian for structural calculation on windows and other programs. when I talked about drag and drop, copy and paste, quicktime etc. I did not refer to windows, but to macintosh, I know very well that they exist on windows and I use them when I can (although unfortunately several programs do not support them), I referred to the contrary to macintosh, that is to say to the fact that some programs born on windows and brought on macintosh, among them also autocad, are little integrated with the operating modes and the technologies it is better but they use them well but