bolts: different materials - different positions. feasible?

[matteostasim]

Good evening,
I have the following problem: in a set I have both vice cl. 8.8 and a2 (inox). since the "number part" that the bolted connection generates only standard and size (e.g. in the case of the dice "uni 5588 - m12"), in the distinct materials I find myself grouped both the nuts m12 in iron and the stainless ones, with the box of the colored materials in yellow and the writing *vari*. if in the separate components of the 3d axieme I could also accept the thing, in the distinct components of the table absolutely not.

I had thought of going to manually add in the dice's iproperties to the "number part" the appendix "a2" or "cl. 8.8" depending on the cases so as to cancel the grouping in separate. but being read-only elements (book elements) does not allow you.

So I was wondering: is there a way to discriminate in separate material and avoid the positions being grouped only according to the "number part"?
Thank you.

 

[matteostasim]

Stop all... I have seen/discovered the button "Setting union rows number part". deactivated the check and each grouping is gone. Forgive me.

 

[tzadik]

There are several ways to solve the problem.

the formally correct (and faster) way is to have in the library the connection element organized by standard and material.
in particular your dado iso 4032 will exist as
iso 4032 - class 8
iso 4032 - aisi 304/316/a2/a4


to do this you have to create a new project, where you will create a custom library on which you can read and write.

then you can duplicate (from standard inventor library), the connection element. imposing that a new family of the element is created (iso 4032, iso 4017... iso 7089) which also carries the new material.
in your case you will find yourself
iso 4032 - class 8
iso 4032 - stainless steel a2


premise: the material must already be present in the inventor database... then you will also need to create a custom material database (where you simply enter a class 8/8.8 steel class and a 304/316/a2/a4) aisi.

... is more difficult to say than to do.


you can also group more materials under the same family (iso 4032, iso 4017... iso 7089...) but then management becomes a little chaotic.

vice versa if you have your bolted connection element already divided by material (8.8, 10.9, stainless... or even by finishing, galvanized, phosphated...) when you go to insert the element from contained center is difficult to run into errors.

successive changes on file name/number part, then do them with the editor of the content center (through a excel screen)

 

[matteostasim]

There are several ways to solve the problem.

the formally correct (and faster) way is to have in the library the connection element organized by standard and material.
in particular your dado iso 4032 will exist as
iso 4032 - class 8
iso 4032 - aisi 304/316/a2/a4


to do this you have to create a new project, where you will create a custom library on which you can read and write.

then you can duplicate (from standard inventor library), the connection element. imposing that a new family of the element is created (iso 4032, iso 4017... iso 7089) which also carries the new material.
in your case you will find yourself
iso 4032 - class 8
iso 4032 - stainless steel a2


premise: the material must already be present in the inventor database... then you will also need to create a custom material database (where you simply enter a class 8/8.8 steel class and a 304/316/a2/a4) aisi.

... is more difficult to say than to do.


you can also group more materials under the same family (iso 4032, iso 4017... iso 7089...) but then management becomes a little chaotic.

vice versa if you have your bolted connection element already divided by material (8.8, 10.9, stainless... or even by finishing, galvanized, phosphated...) when you go to insert the element from contained center is difficult to run into errors.

successive changes on file name/number part, then do them with the editor of the content center (through a excel screen)

Good morning tzadik,
Thank you very much for your contribution. But I believe that you gave me the solution on an issue related to editing in bolted connections on which I had already forgotten 1 year ago by making me tribulate not little (but eventually I managed to get out of it. change of bolting materials " bolted connssions")
last week, however, had happened to me for the first time having to use in a set of same dice but with different materials. and in the disposition of the table I joined them by indicating as material "various", without specifying how many stainless steel and how many iron (where).
was more than anything else a distinct display problem: I simply had to remove the tick in the "Setting Lines Number Part".
Thanks anyway for your clear explanation.

 

[tzadik]

I lost my previous discussion. Or maybe I forgot.

inventor allows to manage the families of the center contained in various ways.
I approached the problem more drastically (because I was already on that problem, years ago).

I have my custom "database materials" and done that, I have separate families for different material and/or finishing items.
on the project file I have as main content center the customized one.
when I need, I add what I need from that "system" (so I don't find "soft steel" everywhere).

Thus doing counting problems cannot be presented because I do not go to insert a iso 4032/uni 5588 dice (and then from there I describe the material), I go to insert a iso 4032 dice class 8.8, which is not editable.
If I want it in stainless steel, I have to replace the element with the element of another "family".

pushing further, so doing it is also easier to set a part number/code article to the single dice (for size and for material).
(with a bit of cunning, you can change individually, the *.ipt stored in the folders of the contained center, if there is need).