cad + 3d modeler vs bim?

[kire_06]

Good day to all:biggrin:

I graduated in architecture and currently attend a master's degree program always in architecture. always to carry out the projects I use only a software cad (autocad) getting results more than discreet, but now I have come to a point of my training/professional path where I would like to make a "high quality".

I recently started to dexter myself with a 3d modeler (rhinoceros) which if used wisely can allow really hallucinating things :mixed:
the problem is that it is not a software specific to architecture but is more directed to industrial design. I admit that it is a program that I would love to deepen, as well as in the future I would like to pair it to boldhopper... (but here the speech is further complicated:biggrin

This is where bim software such as revi, archicad, wectorworks, etc. come into play, which are specially designed for architecture but which have limits on modeling. the advantage lies in the fact that these 3d modelers are integrated with software cad 2d that allow to quickly extrapolate plants, sections and prospects saving not a few scratches.

now here is my question:

which software or couple is best used for architectural design? I mean a software that accompanies design thinking and free hand sketches

continue with autocad implementing the knowledge of rhino or switch directly to a bim software? or the middle way and choose autocad architecture that even being not a real bim implements some modeling functions?

with rhino is possible, once modeled the object/building in 3d, easily extrapolate plants, sections and prospects in 2d? there are plugins that make this feasible (e.g. visualarq) but do nothing but make it "as" a bim where to extrapolate the 2d floors you have to use the building elements present in the library... and we'd be back and running.

I admit I have a big mess in my head so I thank all those who want to give me their opinion from now on

 

[Tristan]

your mental mess comes from the fact that you think when talking about bim you refer to a software. nothing more wrong...the bim is a process based on models containing information. the bim can start also starting from a rhino surface or a scheme made in autocad.

 

[kire_06]

First of all I thank you for the answer

It's been a while since I "lurko" the forum and I always read your speeches with pleasure. Since you seem like a really well-prepared user, would you be so kind to clear my ideas and explain the differences better? Are there any links to be read and possibly indicate the best way to go for my needs?

Thank you again! :finger:

 

[Tristan]

the difference is simple: what you call 3d modeler is obviously a software; There are different types. there are solid modelers like autocad 2006 and prec. (autocad adhesive works very well also with surfaces and something pleasant is done also with polygonal mesh), polygonal modelers like 3ds and nurbs modelers like rhino. each of these software has its pros and cons. the bim (acronym for building information modeling) is a process based on "intelligent" models, made as you think. you can start from a 2d sketch or better from a conceptual volume 3d, perform a maximum energy analysis to evaluate the performance of the envelope, realize the preliminary project with the definition of the internal spaces (but still remaining on the vague regarding the materials), and then come to define in detail (which does not necessarily have to be 3d) the final and/or executive project. don't let you fool yourself from the speech "plants, prospects, sections automatically". that is a consequence, it is not the main purpose; i.e. a software that automatically creates views falls within the supply chain but that is not the bim! the bim is characterized by "i" (information) which means that the model contains information. stupid example: when drawings in autocad or models in rhino you create "unrespecting" entities; a pair of parallel lines you read "muro" but is a pair of lines. a parallelepipedo the laws "pilastro" or "solaio" but is only a parallelepipedo. in the bim instead a wall is a wall (though virtual), a pillar is a pillar and so on...with the advantage of being parametric and therefore containing volumetric information and even perhaps the definition of the materials of which it is composed.
You want advice? He learns well that he doesn't hurt, but he squeezes his eye even at the bim.
I hope I've made your mind clear.

 

[kire_06]

thanks again for the answer tristan

now as I am now oriented to "replace" (or better alongside) autocad with revit architecture (always to stay in the autodesk world) and at the same time deepen the use of rhino that, as already stated previously, in a future I would like to flank to fathopper :d

a greeting