cad board for 3d architectural

[blue.cat]

Save to all, for about a month I have been working in an architectural study where, among other things, starting from plants and prospects (designed by autocad) I elaborate 3d models for the phases of design, which then undergo recurring changes and elaborations.
Until now I have used the only software I knew able to make fast models suitable for purpose, sketchup (so many will twist the nose!), but I encounter many difficulties in increasing the complexity and modifications of the model.
I never chewed the 3d autocad, and I don't think it's very fast, I don't know 3d studio max, though I'm learning to chew a little rendering (it is used in the studio). I know archicad but for the kind of changes that are asked to me (particular coverings with certain geometries, "ad hoc" fringes, etc.) I think that creating components would not be so fast. same revit speech I barely know. in any case these last two software should be purchased from the studio and then I would exclude them.
The only alternative I think is rhino, but I don't know him at all.
I'm sorry if I've stretched out, but I wanted to give a comprehensive picture.
thanks to all, I look tremendous tips.

 

[Marcogeo]

Save to all, for about a month I have been working in an architectural study where, among other things, starting from plants and prospects (designed by autocad) I elaborate 3d models for the phases of design, which then undergo recurring changes and elaborations.
Until now I have used the only software I knew able to make fast models suitable for purpose, sketchup (so many will twist the nose!), but I encounter many difficulties in increasing the complexity and modifications of the model.
I never chewed the 3d autocad, and I don't think it's very fast, I don't know 3d studio max, though I'm learning to chew a little rendering (it is used in the studio). I know archicad but for the kind of changes that are asked to me (particular coverings with certain geometries, "ad hoc" fringes, etc.) I think that creating components would not be so fast. same revit speech I barely know. in any case these last two software should be purchased from the studio and then I would exclude them.
The only alternative I think is rhino, but I don't know him at all.
I'm sorry if I've stretched out, but I wanted to give a comprehensive picture.
thanks to all, I look tremendous tips.

vectorworks would be a good option.

 

[gil]

It's clear that skecthup has the limits of a hobbyist program. You should learn one of the above mentioned softwarers, if you like.

 

[enri]

considered the assumptions, that is the use of sketchups and its logic, and the workflow of the study, I would exclude the parametric for architecture, such as vw and revit, the study would simply not use them, need a total revision of the way to work, the right one I add. rhino is great and simple to use and expandable moltssimo with plugins, but it is a bit distant from sk. I highly recommend taking a look at Bonzai3d, which uses the same logic as sk, but is much more flexible in modeling complex forms, as well as economic. This is the entry level version of the famous formz. There are many explanatory videos.

 

[blue.cat]

In fact the problem is that I would most likely be the only one to use this software, so I doubt that the studio wants to buy revit, vectorworks or archicad. I was asking for rhino because they have it, at a first glance in fact I seem distant as a sketchup logic, I will try to deepen it.
I have downloaded the bonzai-3d trial, it doesn't seem bad at all, I will try that too, for sure if I am to support the expense I will orientate myself on the latter by force of things.
thanks to all for advice!

 

[blue.cat]

...they need a total revision of how to work, the right one I add.

excuse curiosity, but do you mean that it is better to work for example of this study than using bim and similar? I am interested because being a beginner I would like to understand how in fact these software can improve or not the approach to a project and in which margins is replaceable or not the design "rega per line".

 

[enri]

no the contrary, it is too slender, to make a 2d, to carry it in the modeler, and to make the 3d, while the other 2d is refined, all without the minimum connection between the two. If one thing has to be changed, it is done twice, in 2d, with enormous time spent, and in 3d, where hardly, the model is parametric. purtoppo is the most widespread system in absolute, autocad 2d + sometimes a modeler like skup, rhino, 3d studio, to make the 3d model that always serves and only to make the renderings, completely disconnected with the drawings to the cad. It is an ingrained way of working in which I have often participated, almost always taking care of the 3d, but it is wrong, and attributable almost always to autocad and its diffusion, as well as to the fact that many use it as cad 2d, also because wanting the 3d, also complex can be done, then extrapolating the plants and the sections, but I know no one that uses it so. the answer is the bim, integrated or not to a modeler if there is need.

 

[blue.cat]

In fact, I think it's a way to organize the work very dispersive, but from what little I could touch with hand there is an extreme reluctance to change it, and practically nobody knows the bim, many think it's just 3d drawing programs. I have done a few things so far, more during project units at university, but when I realize that a process is long I always look for alternative ways to speed things, it seems that instead there is this tendency to "resign" to the 3d model drawn line by line, in every element, thus losing a tide of time. We'll see if he takes the use of certain tools, I hope so.
Anyway thank you for the advice!

 

[uluwatu_74]

I would add another reason why...in architecture. . They struggle to assimilate the programs of "design" in three-dimensional direct!
and excuse the colored expression! :smile:
the world of architects...of geometries...and we probably also put building or civil engineers... is made for the vast majority of people who before pulling out a euro to pay someone. ..they would prefer to give the wife as a gift for a few evenings!!!! ! ! ! ! !
they can take advantage of thousands and thousands of students who just get out of the universities of architecture know to definitely use very well autocad...but only someone uses rhino or other 3d cads specific to architecture!
and these... are all "used" at zero cost!!! !
and for the qualitative product that "build" frankly autocane is also superfluous... seen that with the tecnigraph at least it would be more poetic!
so... why push to introduce advanced cad? They don't need... and above all... I'd have to find someone who knows how to use them... and that could even cost me something!
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
for example I could safely speed up the work of an architecture studio at least 50% by making available my 3d modeling knowledge (I also want to design of course! :smile: ) but for what I can cost to the study... there is practically no hope to find one!
Of course this is a general speech where it is useless that you show me that there are white flies... it is obvious!
but we are in Italy... and like in many other sectors... also in this... we are a leader in backwardness!
"forza italia"! :36_1_2:

 

[gil]

We are a leader in backwardness!

I agree

implementing more complex software of autocad 2d implies the training of personnel, this prevents the "normal" replacement of employees. who usually leave after 1 / 2 years.
from me unfortunately it is so, every study, to its leaders/capets, 1/2 people who understand something, and others, while being naive or architects are puppets that count nothing. when someone raises a little ridge (just after years of experience) is sent to leave.

therefore in the yard come elaborate filthy, design errors of all sorts, pataccate to settle from the hyperbolic cost (and therefore not correct). but the studio is fine because they keep the costs low.
the client is fine so, because the design costs are lower than the competition and does not compute the costs that must sustain in the yard to remedy the design deficiencies.

It's a bit of a third world situation.

 

[enri]

Unfortunately it is so, everyone asks for interns and trainees, and according to them they do you a favor

ps-visto that perhaps the stagisti were few, they invented the two months of internship during the studies, just to inlay a little more the studies of slaves.

 

[geppetto]

I think I have seen it before, but I answer in the same way.
Forget what the studio uses, think about what you want a program to do and after seeing someone work seriously then make your choice. choose it for you not for study, if the studio decides to peel cigars in the coffee to draw on a roll of toilet paper that they do as well.
I personally believe that there is no better program than you can customize in a free and complete way. for this I have oriented my choice on solidworks and pro/e. Hybrid programs that if customized properly care about all autodeskannates in circulation, rhino and who more has it put. a program to meet the needs of all nonn must be prepackaged but must give you the opportunity to customize it. open, stable and parametric seriously not talking.
I'm sorry, but I'm talking about experience. I've seen so many who seem to do something but never do what you need. as you try to do something outside their bookstores some casinos combine.
Hi.
guide

 

[blue.cat]

In fact, the presence of libreire, families or even parametric objects have always given me the impression (underline, impression, given my lack of experience) of something rigid, especially in front of the need to create "ad hoc" parts in modeling.
However I tried to face the discussion in the studio, apparently there is an interest in a change, in fact... Who knows?

anyway thanks to all for your advice!