cam high band all good???

[jakysmilzo]

good morning to all, after buying a cnc 5 axes at high speed biesse matter with the siemens, we are struggling with the choice of the cam ... we are looking esprit- visicam- worknc- tebis ..noi we produce models
We use various wooden materials, polystyrene and aluminium, they all look good for our purpose you say?

 

[reb_bl]

I use visi, I find myself well, I use also hsm, I can not say as much, but it is not a top cam, esprit I used it too little to give you an objective answer, it seemed very laborious.
I see you use wood, alphacam know that it is the "reference"

 

[Meteor02]

time ago for modelling we used toptron with a 5 axes cms excellent both cad and cam. is expensive we there 'we had because mainly we aimed at injection molding.

 

[ceschi1959]

I also think that there are no big differences between the various cams of the various bands for which the choice will be dictated by other reasons. in our company we went from a cam to nx cam to uniform the cad with the cam. I saw that you use rihno so I would turn towards a cam with similar characteristics.

 

[ale47p]

also consider powermill in choice

 

[jakysmilzo]

we are trying esprit and it seems good

 

[LaboratorioDieci]

I also think that there are no big differences between the various cams of the various bands for which the choice will be dictated by other reasons. in our company we went from a cam to nx cam to uniform the cad with the cam. I saw that you use rihno so I would turn towards a cam with similar characteristics.

Unfortunately rhino does not have a high-end cam. As far as I know, the mathematics generated in rhinoceros can present critical issues that can be handled correctly only in quality cams. I personally believe that the products mentioned are all excellent, the difference makes the support structure (post-processor, training services and user assistance), as well as the features available in relation to the price.
I find however correct the reasoning of baskets. very often bringing in a geometries cam can present compatibility problems, so I would evaluate an integrated product for modeling and nc.

 

[jakysmilzo]

but many of the files I have to work at cnc come to me from the customers and all translated into step, created with the most varied cad, so I can go in the direction I want in.

 

[Stefano_GS]

There are many names.
each house software often has more products, such as autodesk does not only have powermill.
I believe that in your choice you should consider:
- future developments. Are you going to add for example a mobile lathe to be integrated with the cam?
- product types and their complexity
- do you have a software provider that supports you? could be good to continue with products he treats

I would recommend you make some demos with the different dealers of the different cams

 

[TECNOMODEL]

in demos all cams go great, they make them with specially prepared models and everything has already been studied in detail to make cinema and sell.
If you want to do a test, ask him to come to you, give him a model you need to work and ask him to do the work.
In this way you understand a little more if it is suitable for you.
we use toptron because we design and do the work, having everything in one software helps.

 

[jakysmilzo]

in demos all cams go great, they make them with specially prepared models and everything has already been studied in detail to make cinema and sell.
If you want to do a test, ask him to come to you, give him a model you need to work and ask him to do the work.
In this way you understand a little more if it is suitable for you.
we use toptron because we design and do the work, having everything in one software helps.

The demos we do with our files, but from what I could see until now everyone can do everything

 

[Meteor02]

How do you make demos? you have given the software cam demo version and are testing you all or sent the maths and make you the program cnc? Keep in mind that traders have inside the professionals with two 00 and all the necessary software to do these things, even sending them an unsuitable file they are able to fix it but when it touches you will pull several porki. I now use solidwork and solidcam, when I get a step with problems or to change are pains, when I used toptron I was doing much earlier and has a really performing cam, maybe even too much for wood and ureol work where I imagine that the finish do it by hand seen the softness of the materials.

 

[LaboratorioDieci]

... I now use solidwork and solidcam, when I get a step with problems or to change are pains, when I used toptron I was doing much earlier...

you have touched an important matter in choosing: the type of work. toptron is a solid parametric modeler like solidworks, but it has commands that in some cases make it very effective. solidworks vice versa has features that make it better in other situations. I use both toptron and solidworks, as well as rhinoceros, and I have to say that each system has its strengths, you simply need to evaluate the use.

 

[jakysmilzo]

How do you make demos? you have given the software cam demo version and are testing you all or sent the maths and make you the program cnc? Keep in mind that traders have inside the professionals with two 00 and all the necessary software to do these things, even sending them an unsuitable file they are able to fix it but when it touches you will pull several porki. I now use solidwork and solidcam, when I get a step with problems or to change are pains, when I used toptron I was doing much earlier and has a really performing cam, maybe even too much for wood and ureol work where I imagine that the finish do it by hand seen the softness of the materials.

for demos. They usually come to us and show us the strengths of their cams, but precisely on our files chosen at the moment by us... we intend to mill also resin, plastic and aluminum so the finish must be optimal

 

[jakysmilzo]

There are many names.
each house software often has more products, such as autodesk does not only have powermill.
I believe that in your choice you should consider:
- future developments. Are you going to add for example a mobile lathe to be integrated with the cam?
- product types and their complexity
- do you have a software provider that supports you? could be good to continue with products he treats

I would recommend you make some demos with the different dealers of the different cams

We are not going to add anything else, we have no reference provider, but we are trying esprit, because the reference trade has given us the chance to test it and for the moment it seems easy intuitive and quite complete

 

[+forte]

We are not going to add anything else, we have no reference provider, but we are trying esprit, because the reference trade has given us the chance to test it and for the moment it seems easy intuitive and quite complete

esprit together with featurecam and hypermill are the most intuitive

 

[TECNOMODEL]

for demos. They usually come to us and show us the strengths of their cams, but precisely on our files chosen at the moment by us... we intend to mill also resin, plastic and aluminum so the finish must be optimal

the finishing does not make you the cam but the machine and the tools.
you can also have tebis, for example, but if you have a center with a "old" control and little speed on the spindle a good finish you forget.

 

[vmirko]

prova anche alphacam con il plug-in di module works.

 

[LaboratorioDieci]

the finishing does not make you the cam but the machine and the tools.

is not entirely correct. in the opening of the debate we talk about a machine biesse matter (https://www.biesse.com/it/materiali-tecnologici/centri-di-lavoro/cnc-materia/cnc-materia).
It is machines with important fields of work, and it is not to exclude that jakysmilzo may have to fresare large surfaces with wide curved rays. the type of surfaces on which the cam can make a difference.

another aspect that, so much to complicate life at jakysmilzo, can be relevant is siemens control.
if the choice has been made for the peculiar characteristics of control that are to be managed by cam (compensation ray in 3d, processing for spline and not in linear interpolation, etc...) then it is necessary that the cam has an appropriate post processor.

 

[jakysmilzo]

is not entirely correct. in the opening of the debate we talk about a machine biesse matter (https://www.biesse.com/it/materiali-tecnologici/centri-di-lavoro/cnc-materia/cnc-materia).
It is machines with important fields of work, and it is not to exclude that jakysmilzo may have to fresare large surfaces with wide curved rays. the type of surfaces on which the cam can make a difference.

another aspect that, so much to complicate life at jakysmilzo, can be relevant is siemens control.
if the choice has been made for the peculiar characteristics of control that are to be managed by cam (compensation ray in 3d, processing for spline and not in linear interpolation, etc...) then it is necessary that the cam has an appropriate post processor.

thanks for the clarification... So what do you recommend?? or at least what do you disagree with me? ?