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[Apollo0117]

in the design of a part, when I have to make the table, I can't eliminate the sampling from the thin walls...I actually found another problem, solid works allows to select the components of the design and eliminate the hair from these only if they were obtained through the nervation command, there is a more general method that allows me to free myself of the sampling from the components that, albeit thin walls, were obtained with the command of simple extrusion?

p.s.
I apologize for the very untechnical jargon, but I do not have much familiarity with the subject. . .

p.p.s.
I don't know what the version of the program used is, but it's not very recent. ..I assume both 2007 at most 2008.

 

[sampom]

.....I don't know what the version of the program used, but it's not very recent. ..I assume both 2007 at most 2008.

Bye apollo. .
I don't know if to welcome you (after a presentation in the special thread would be appreciated for new contacts) or "get your ears" :biggrin:. .
Are you kidding me? How can you not know the version of the program? is written on the icon you click to open it, when the program is opened Biggest in the first screen, as for all programs you can verify it by opening the menu with the question mark (this would be ?.. by selecting information on the programme. but apparently many are afraid to enter a minefield to use the help.

then:
have you posted this same question in the three forums, here, in inventor and in solidedge (do you really use all these programs? and in this way?!);
Do you really feel the same "problem" (which does not exist, then we will see it..) in all three? !
apart from that it is expressly forbidden by the regulation (read it! and before entering any forum), but it seems to me that you have a lot of confusion in the head.

Okay the "youngness", but let's wake the boys up!
So start from the beginning, introduce and explain for good what you need.. (for sampling What do you mean, the "trate" of the views in section? ).

Meanwhile I begin to tell you that (at least for solidworks) everything you have written is wrong and do quietly everything you have requested (always that I have managed to understand you). If you explain better we will see how. .

greetings to the next
Mar

 

[Apollo0117]

Bye apollo. .
I don't know if to welcome you (after a presentation in the special thread would be appreciated for new contacts) or "get your ears" :biggrin:. .
Are you kidding me? How can you not know the version of the program? is written on the icon you click to open it, when the program is opened Biggest in the first screen, as for all programs you can verify it by opening the menu with the question mark (this would be ?.. by selecting information on the programme. but apparently many are afraid to enter a minefield to use the help.

then:
have you posted this same question in the three forums, here, in inventor and in solidedge (do you really use all these programs? and in this way?!);
Do you really feel the same "problem" (which does not exist, then we will see it..) in all three? !
apart from that it is expressly forbidden by the regulation (read it! and before entering any forum), but it seems to me that you have a lot of confusion in the head.

Okay the "youngness", but let's wake the boys up!
So start from the beginning, introduce and explain for good what you need.. (for sampling What do you mean, the "trate" of the views in section? ).

Meanwhile I begin to tell you that (at least for solidworks) everything you have written is wrong and do quietly everything you have requested (always that I have managed to understand you). If you explain better we will see how. .

greetings to the next
Mar

I'm sorry I didn't introduce myself...so what is the version of the program that I use, but the information I ask for is to take an examination at the university, and I don't remember what the version used...everytime during the exam will be drawn one of the three programs, so it is required that you know how to use them all. ..sorry if I have contravened the rules of the forum, next time I will be more careful, but there was no malafede in my actions, simply, what I found is a problem also of my other colleagues and it concerns all the programs... now I go to clarify what I meant by sampling:
when you cut the walls that are crossed by the section plane are indicated by transversal rows ranging from board to board. At these lines, I was referring to sampling, lines that in dissecting thin walls (as well as ribs) must be omitted.

 

[Oldwarper]

crazy stuff.
You don't know what program you use in a college exam. . .
draw of the program.. .
required to use them all...

as if you were asked to use a tractor, a digger or a tir... with a lot of tool proof.. .

I don't know if at this point I'm more laughing at our university or our unproven and haunted students. . .

for what concerns you in swx2009 there is an option not to dissect the ribs obtained with the nervature function. Alternatively, you can always delete the sample by selecting it and selecting in the property manager's box no entry.

It remains my opinion that the Italian university is reaching levels of pressapochism and ridiculous absurdity, at least as regards the design cad.

to the hypism where I was teaching a cad and the intent was clear and declared to learn a (one only) program as an example for all the others present on the market, clarifying that what they mattered were the concepts of the use of cad, not the sequence of commands.

as always the students "have no faults," but they certainly put us on them not to change things (they can care less).

 

[Apollo0117]

as always the students "have no faults," but they certainly put us on them not to change things (they can care less).

If I had to protest, I don't know if I could raise the interest of "who is at the top," but I know for sure 2 things.
1) I would not pass the exam
2) even if something changed could not do so within the time I'm interested (I don't have 20 years to devote to university. . . )

So even though I'm in pain, I'm in uniform with the rules. .

 

[re_solidworks]

Can you bring an image of a type section for more ease of understanding from us?

 

[Apollo0117]

Can you bring an image of a type section for more ease of understanding from us?

Here is an example, I hope it is understandable, otherwise if I mold an example directly from solidworks

 

[marcof]

Here is an example, I hope it is understandable, otherwise if I mold an example directly from solidworks

let alone the time you lost to make a hand drawing when you could post a screenshot directly from the cad...
but sorry, oldwarper already answered you:
click on the sampling, opens to the left its property manager and selections on the type of sampling "no": Done!
in case it is not selectable is because you have the flag on "material sample": Take off and choose no one.
Just click on the sample and see what was going on in the swx interface to get there.
you want to make these userfrendly programs, if then those who use them do not explore with a minimum of attention and those poor 17-20 inches screen.

I wonder what techniques of approach to an engineering problem that teach you at university if to solve a bullshit like this one of the unreaded fields I miss the help and you need 7-8 answers in a two-day web forum.

Hi.

 

[marcof]

If I had to protest, I don't know if I could raise the interest of "who is at the top," but I know for sure 2 things.
1) I would not pass the exam
2) even if something changed could not do so within the time I'm interested (I don't have 20 years to devote to university. . . )

So even though I'm in pain, I'm in uniform with the rules. .

Nothing personal.

Hi.

 

[sampom]

Here is an example, I hope it is understandable, otherwise if I mold an example directly from solidworks

my mother! biggrin:forgive me, I ran away.. but you did better and earlier with an image directly from the screen and your real piece).
Anyway:
from the sketch you posted I don't see why you should remove the sample, are you highlighting a threaded hole, otherwise for what purpose would you do a section?
then you see to distinguish between those you call "thin" and real nervages. The latter should not be dissected. the "parets" that make up the particular instead are dissected normally; even in the plates the section "fields", if they are thin or the small scale of the design does not allow the display the sample will be "all black".
other elements not to be dissected are the trees longitudinally. save to make a "rottura" (what swx calls Subsequent section) at holes, key cuts etc.

so or you put a picture of your real case (where you see well that you mean for "slim mother" and why you want to remove the sampling. Maybe put close to a rib to compare the differences) or we will continue not to follow your speech.

However the procedure you need was well described above by marcof..
click everything where you can, right and left, study and try all the menus.. In short, open your eyes:

greetings
Marco:smile:

p.s. forgive me if I first caught you I may have misjudged you; But you too, try to be less "cripical", help us/you understand.
already by writing on the net communication/understand is very difficult of its, if we are unclear it is over.

 

[Apollo0117]

my mother! biggrin:forgive me, I ran away.. but you did better and earlier with an image directly from the screen and your real piece).
Anyway:
from the sketch you posted I don't see why you should remove the sample, are you highlighting a threaded hole, otherwise for what purpose would you do a section?
then you see to distinguish between those you call "thin" and real nervages. The latter should not be dissected. the "parets" that make up the particular instead are dissected normally; even in the plates the section "fields", if they are thin or the small scale of the design does not allow the display the sample will be "all black".
other elements not to be dissected are the trees longitudinally. save to make a "rottura" (what swx calls Subsequent section) at holes, key cuts etc.

so or you put a picture of your real case (where you see well that you mean for "slim mother" and why you want to remove the sampling. Maybe put close to a rib to compare the differences) or we will continue not to follow your speech.

However the procedure you need was well described above by marcof..
click everything where you can, right and left, study and try all the menus.. In short, open your eyes:

greetings
Marco:smile:

p.s. forgive me if I first caught you I may have misjudged you; But you too, try to be less "cripical", help us/you understand.
already by writing on the net communication/understand is very difficult of its, if we are unclear it is over.

here we go ahead of disguido in disguido. It's probably my fault, too.
I attached an image of any piece, because I was asked to show what I referred to with the term sampling, to whom I suggested not to waste time in "hand-made devices" I just want to say that, as the examination also has a hand part the drawing was already ready, I took the first I found and I scanned it.
After this premise I think it is clear that it was not my intention to remove the sample from this piece, which was a simple guinea pig.
the meth that was suggested to me eliminates the sampling from all over the piece, not only from the thin walls, so from one mistake I would pass to another.
From the beginning I knew that it would not be easy to communicate especially because of my little skills, but still being immersed in the environment I believe will allow me to improve, also for this reason I enrolled in a serious forum, where I have the opportunity to talk to professionals.

 

[Apollo0117]

Nothing personal.

Hi.

e' la verità...

 

[sampom]

here we go ahead of disguido in disguido. It's probably my fault, too.
I attached an image of any piece, because I was asked to show what I referred to with the term sampling, to whom I suggested not to waste time in "hand-made devices" I just want to say that, as the examination also has a hand part the drawing was already ready, I took the first I found and I scanned it.
After this premise I think it is clear that it was not my intention to remove the sample from this piece, which was a simple guinea pig.
the meth that was suggested to me eliminates the sampling from all over the piece, not only from the thin walls, so from one mistake I would pass to another.
From the beginning I knew that it would not be easy to communicate especially because of my little skills, but still being immersed in the environment I believe will allow me to improve, also for this reason I enrolled in a serious forum, where I have the opportunity to talk to professionals.

I'm sure it's also your fault.
But, wow, if you ask for something, you'll put an example inherent to it, right? How can you expect your interlocutor to understand otherwise?

then you are fixed with "thin" stews; but what do you mean besides ribs for thin wall?
a piece is a piece, whole and unique. If you have ribs will be treated in a certain way, the rest follows the normal rules. clear that a sample cancellation can only be done within a "region" bound by edges/sprays or otherwise lines (the "entity" in the table). if you need section views in different areas of the same part you can use one or more Unbundled sections. If your part is a multibody and the section goes to "touch" bodies that you don't care about, you can delete the sample as seen before, but of course the bodies will have to be bound by lines. You can also hide that piece of "breaking line" that goes on that body.

But it is better that you show us a decent and real example, maybe even the file, and explain where and why you want to remove the dash.

greetings
Marco:smile:

 

[Apollo0117]

But it is better that you show us a decent and real example, maybe even the file, and explain where and why you want to remove the dash.

greetings
Marco:smile:

here is one of the incriminated pieces... in the c-c section there is a "thin walls" (I put it in quotes now...) but the sampling should not be completely eliminated. . .

 

[re_solidworks]

here is one of the incriminated pieces... in the c-c section there is a "thin walls" (I put it in quotes now...) but the sampling should not be completely eliminated. . .

I looked at the picture. I did not know a norm that requires not to sample a thin wall as the one indicated also because it is not clear where to interrupt the sampling.
However to be able to sample only one part you can remove the sample (in the table) as suggested by marcof and oldwarper, then you manually create a sampling where you want.
in the annotations there is the sample command that allows you to sample areas. If you need to field only a part of an area you can draw a line with the sketch command and create a closed area as you wish, then with the sample command only fills the limited part from the tracked line.
If you don't want to see the line that delimits the sample, you can put it on a special layer that you will go to hide to expose it from the press.

I often use this system in the tables of the dense wheels, drawn as full but with sampling absent in the tooth area.

 

[sampom]

here is one of the incriminated pieces... in the c-c section there is a "thin walls" (I put it in quotes now...) but the sampling should not be completely eliminated. . .

oooh, we finally understand:finger: it took so long? :biggrin:
but those below are not thin walls (but why do you like to call them so?) but normal nervages and traits as such, look:that drawing like nervation and the result of the section is this.
if you want to do it with normal extrusion because maybe you have particular profiles difficult to manage with the nervation You should break the box merge results. In this way you will have a body to if that on the table will have its contours and you can hide the sampling as mentioned before.
or as re_solidworks explains, you do the section areas that you sample "hand". but this is not the case, here you are within the rules and features of the program.
However, stop using the term "subtle walls" because it is misleading.

If you need other delucidations don't make you problems and post clearly, if they are possible things here you will find certain answer.
good work:smile:

I looked at the picture. I did not know a norm that requires not to sample a thin wall as the one indicated also because it is not clear where to interrupt the sampling. .

in fact
There are no special norms but simply those for ribs.
I drew it with the command nervation And then I told her where she needed, simply.
in the section on the table I excluded it from the "campitura" in the blue field of the window that opens to the command Section, as usual.

greetings
Marco:smile:

 

[Apollo0117]

I can exult... I managed... and a similar strategy also worked with solidedge.. I ask a last question to sampom... where do I find the box "join results"?

 

[sampom]

I can exult... I managed... and a similar strategy also worked with solidedge.. I ask a last question to sampom... where do I find the box "join results"?

Okay, I'm glad.

that box finds it in the feature manager when you do an extrusion.
to decide whether to make a single "multiform" part (pass me the term :smile:. or a part multicorpo, formed by several distinct bodies assiemated to form a single body (typical case of the welded details.. but not only).

greetings
Mar

 

[re_solidworks]

look at the solidworks tutorial about modeling with solid bodies and you will be able to touch with hand that flag and any working strategies with swx solids.