cardan drive with belt

[Patrick Gorza]

Good morning, everyone.
mechanical/oleodynamic demand: the multiplier group + pump of a splitter, in my case it turns with action of the tractor pto, through cardan. I would like to understand if such cardan, applying it a pulley, are able to make it run through belt, or if the necessary effort required by the pump group would cause a slip of the belt itself.
I thank in advance how many will enlighten me. . .

 

[Marco F inox]

You probably want to move away in parallel, the tractor axis from the axis of the group.
with the ratio 1/1 to maintain equal speed, for this case, the trapezes are indicated.
the pulleys must be more gorges and beyond the size of the straps, you will have to use pulleys not too small depending on the strap.

 

[Patrick Gorza]

You probably want to move away in parallel, the tractor axis from the axis of the group.
with the ratio 1/1 to maintain equal speed, for this case, the trapezes are indicated.
the pulleys must be more gorges and beyond the size of the straps, you will have to use pulleys not too small depending on the strap.

No Marco, my idea is to run the ribbon saw with the cardan and out of this spin, through belt, the multiplying group + pump of the firecracker. result only one driving force for 2 tools. the pump group + multiplier however requires several strength. I was thinking about a belt with dense pulleys, to avoid slipping. . .

 

[ragnol]

Basically you want to build a "pocket".

Don't you want to leave the spool connected to the cardan and "derive" the bike for the bindella?

if you have a tractor with a distributor, you can connect to the flywheel of the bindella an oleodynamic engine (in case, properly multiplied) powered by the hydraulic circuit of the tractor: crusher attached to the pto, bindella connected to the hydraulic system with two hydraulic hoses sent/return. you can create a frame that merges crackle and bindella, and cardane + tubes eliminate the problem of any alignments with the tractor.

 

[Patrick Gorza]

Basically you want to build a "pocket".

Don't you want to leave the spool connected to the cardan and "derive" the bike for the bindella?

if you have a tractor with a distributor, you can connect to the flywheel of the bindella an oleodynamic engine (in case, properly multiplied) powered by the hydraulic circuit of the tractor: crusher attached to the pto, bindella connected to the hydraulic system with two hydraulic hoses sent/return. you can create a frame that merges crackle and bindella, and cardane + tubes eliminate the problem of any alignments with the tractor.

It would be a solution, but everything would go to complicate the disposal of machinery. My question is much simpler: can a toothed belt spin the pump group + multiplier, or do you need a rigid organ like the classic cardan?

 

[Marco F inox]

a toothed belt or chain, need a stable interasse and a good parallelism. it would be necessary to connect between them the two tools, then to think about the protection and possible lubrication.
chains and straps are of various sizes, just to satisfy every need for power transmission, you should not ask yourself this question.
I think that at this point you should put an angle reference to the entrance of the woodcutcheon, where the cardan comes from the tractor and the free exit insert a second cardan to feed the group.
you do not need rigid links or even specific angle positions.
the angle reference then, you can relate it with the most suitable number of turns to feed the group.

 

[TETRASTORE]

my idea is to make the belt saw work with the cardan and out of this to turn, through belt, the multiplier group + spool pump. result only one driving force for 2 tools.

similar requirements to yours have been resolved with the help of splits two or three outputs to simultaneously control multiple machines using the tractor's pto.

 

[Patrick Gorza]

similar requirements to yours have been resolved with the help of splits two or three outputs to simultaneously control multiple machines using the tractor's pto.

Thank you. excellent solution.

 

[biz]

Thank you. excellent solution.

Yes, because the solution you proposed is prohibited for security reasons.

 

[Patrick Gorza]

Yes, because the solution you proposed is prohibited for security reasons.

Well, let's say that this problem would be solved, covering the transmission organs with appropriate tanks. leaving his double belt from the angle group to the flywheel brings the blade to have a possible slip of protection and returning to another pulley, this time with toothed belt, to operate pto split. I actually think I will opt for this solution, having seen the prices "folli" of the splitters.. .
I thank however in advance who can provide further solutions.
good Sunday to the whole forum.

 

[biz]

Well, let's say that this problem would be solved, covering the transmission organs with appropriate tanks. leaving his double belt from the angle group to the flywheel brings the blade to have a possible slip of protection and returning to another pulley, this time with toothed belt, to operate pto split. I actually think I will opt for this solution, having seen the prices "folli" of the splitters.. .
I thank however in advance who can provide further solutions.
good Sunday to the whole forum.

All right, there's a very homemade solution that doesn't find room in industrial repeatability.

 

[Patrick Gorza]

a toothed belt or chain, need a stable interasse and a good parallelism. it would be necessary to connect between them the two tools, then to think about the protection and possible lubrication.
chains and straps are of various sizes, just to satisfy every need for power transmission, you should not ask yourself this question.
I think that at this point you should put an angle reference to the entrance of the woodcutcheon, where the cardan comes from the tractor and the free exit insert a second cardan to feed the group.
you do not need rigid links or even specific angle positions.
the angle reference then, you can relate it with the most suitable number of turns to feed the group.

Hello, Marco.
I'm also evaluating your idea of an angle reference. I think I can find one maybe used, because the new ones have unavoidable prices. . .

 

[Patrick Gorza]

All right, there's a very homemade solution that doesn't find room in industrial repeatability.

Sure. However, I must also take account of my pockets. splitters or angle ribs are definitely better, but they cost too much.

 

[biz]

as a professional are to not recommend improvised situations as not safe for things and people. I'm staying for the splitter.