ceiling with side walls

[DeDios]

I have another problem (I used the search function but I can't find anything, I hope I didn't miss the search, if that's how I apologize): I have to make a brick vaulted ceiling. I've already placed my Ipe 160 support but, I can't find a system to make the real faces. to place the ipe I used the command "trave system", and I positioned them with the desired fixed intersection (in my case 65cm). But now I can't track the faces, I also tried to use a new inplace "solar" component (as for the walls) but.. I can't extrude them with precision, not using snaps (I don't find a correct plan to achieve them). Is there a way to achieve them? in 4 years of use (not constant) of revit, is the first time I find myself so in difficulty. thank you in advance, good evening to all

 

[Tristan]

I have another problem (I used the search function but I can't find anything, I hope I didn't miss the search, if that's how I apologize): I have to make a brick vaulted ceiling. I've already placed my Ipe 160 support but, I can't find a system to make the real faces. to place the ipe I used the command "trave system", and I positioned them with the desired fixed intersection (in my case 65cm). But now I can't track the faces, I also tried to use a new inplace "solar" component (as for the walls) but.. I can't extrude them with precision, not using snaps (I don't find a correct plan to achieve them). Is there a way to achieve them? in 4 years of use (not constant) of revit, is the first time I find myself so in difficulty. thank you in advance, good evening to all

wasn't it better to open a new post? ?
I would personally try with a generic model family based on line

still open a new discussion

 

[gfrank]

@ dedios
as tristan says, it is necessary to open an iscussion for each topic, if not already present in the forum, in fact, to facilitate its research to other users.

as a general consideration, a massive use of in-place modeling, makes the file unmanageable (unless you use a "monster" pc).
the in-place modeling serves to overcome "small situations", but now the development of families has reached a level that allows to do "almost everything".

p.s. of course, it is necessary to deepen the use of the same, since they are the "core" of the software... .

 

[DeDios]

You are right, and I apologize
I know, but I have never had the opportunity (especially time) to deepen my speech. I know very well that it is an important topic. . As soon as I finish the university I will certainly attend some courses on
I never understand how to set all the parameters necessary for the realization of an object :tongue:

Anyway, let's see a little... I'll try with the generic model family, even if I don't know how to do it (it's necessary to draw only a real span? ) I will make some attempts and see a little :wink: I will keep you updated, maybe even with screenshots.
However, since they are plastered, I don't want to draw the full bricks, I just need to see the "curvature" of the loft.

Greetings, thanks again and good evening!

 

[gfrank]

in this debate, http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=2374find tutorials and videotutorial to learn the use of the program

 

[DeDios]

Thank you very much my heel of achilles are the families and their creation/use

 

[DeDios]

bon, today I took advantage of some tranquility to study a little revit families. In particular, I focused on the profile of my faces, and I got what I attached.
What do you think? :smile: my heads must be of a width (fixed) of 65cm (size of the Ipe 160 of base 82mm) and a variable depth for which, I put as a parameter "variable" not the profile but the depth. the profile previews the "dive" of the beam in the package, therefore you see besides the vault of the horizontal traits of 41mm, that is half of the base of the profile ipe. (a pity not to be able to introduce another variable, that of the width of the face! -I used the generic family model based on line and it seems impossible to add it-). the only thing that is not optimal (but will certainly be some parameters that ignore) is the fact that, acting on the depth, the profile extrudes both in front and behind, taking as reference the center (believe). In the sense, I would like to place it on an extreme and vary the depth keeping fixed precisely that extreme, but... I did not find the solution to this!
However, this was my first step in families and.. seems very comfortable all this! :

 

[gfrank]

is not like this:all profile size can be parametric.
it is sufficient to assign to the same quotas (linear, angles) is then to assign a parameter.

to use a "fixed origin" uses (at the moment) a basic family "generic", where the origin of the axes is the origin of the element.

 

[DeDios]

Frank, you're right, sorry. Do you think I've been looking all afternoon for the command to parameterize other odds without success? I thought you could not add, if not looking and using those already present in the drop-down menu. among other things another magazine: I was wrong to draw everything, drawing everything with size 10 times greater:redface: I ask for venia.
However, all right, the face works as you have to:finger: to place it perfectly I put myself in the view of the countertops and center everything with the ipe strap and..the game is done. it is the first time I create a "family", although the way to understand everything is still long.
placed the family, even if I have to review it regarding the parameter of the width of the face.
ot the next critical step will be to realize the recessed windows in an opening that concludes "at a time". Also in this case I want to try to use a family, so as not to have to do every window from scratch. (I have seen some similar discussion about it, like that of the arch).

thank you very much for the support :smile: Very kind.

 

[DeDios]

place the last evolution (starting from a generic family). I was unable to change the parameter of width, because (during the creation of the family) to the variation of the parameter gives me an error message about the "wins that are not satisfied" and..when amount all in the project, that parameter does not work. little bad, instead it works the parameter of the variation of height, although it is wrong where "change" the face but...no matter, possibly responded manually. I absolutely have to get familiar with this.

a greeting and thanks again, good evening to all:wink:

 

[gfrank]

... I put the parameters that were missing...

some comments.
the modeling in revit is carried out on plans (reference), that is to say "drawn" on such planes (in technical design the projection plans po-pl-pv)
in some cases the reference plans are visible, and in the various views are identified by the "assis" outlined.
In other cases, using, for example, the "base line" family some reference plans are "hidden", but still there are and must be "considered". In fact, in this family, evindenziandola in the sight 3d known that there are plans (reference) attached to the initial and final point of the line. means that in the modeling of the object, you are using such reference plans.
in revit, the reference plans are of considerable importance: In some cases they are the basis of the design (strong/non-moving references) in other cases they can move (weak references).
therefore there are correlations (parameters) between the various planes and the various types of planes, in the same way that exist between the various parts of the object.
also there are correlations between plans and the object
in the family, I inserted a prameter (distance from the floor) that determines the distance of the object (the face) from the plane (reference)
I have added two equidistance parameters to "set" the width parameter, to indicate to the sw the "modalita" of variation of the distance.
I also entered two "locked" quotas at the sides of the arc to indicate that these values should not change (a length parameter could also be included for such quotas: now 41 mm fixed)
The only free line is the arch, which extends according to the width, that is: the two side pieces drag the ends of the arc.

in revit, it is designed in real measurements according to the "format" of the quotation: basic are the millimetres, but can be changed in m/cm/ecc.. .

 

[DeDios]

what to say if not. thank you very much:smile:
Now I'm studying the updated file.