cnc machine design or food automation?

[oliofrusto]

hi to everyone, I press that I did not find the presentation section as it usually exists in the forums but if you tell me where it is I will make the presentation.

I am a mechanical engineering student of the Milan Polytechnic (Liking Seat) next to the three-year degree, and I am 26 years old.

I have done the work of part-time self-parator for 5 years lasts the studies of which I am very proud because unlike many of my fellow universities I got dirty my hands and I learned an excellent dexterity and ability to perform repairs and organization of work, customer management etc. (what is missing in university).

thanks to this experience I have 3 months ago brought 5 resumes in 5 companies and in 4 of these have called me back for the internship and 2 of these to hire me after the internship.

I did the internship in a machine tool company of about 30 workers, 2 electronic technicians and a software, plus an old designer who still uses the pantograph.
in the fingers are concerned to buy cnc and non cnc machinery, (centres of work, lathes etc...) and after a mechanical and electrical restoration they see them. cnc machines also provide assistance on request.
This company would like to take me my professor told me that he follows my thesis as he knows the owner of the company, in a few days I have to go to meet the owner.


The other firm deals with the creation of automated assembly chains for the confectionation of food (sweet, ice creams, sauces, doughs, cups etc...) and also work with foreign orders (for now that I know they were making a barcelona machine and one for the india).
the company has about 10 workers who realize the pieces with friezes, cnc tronio etc...) while in the office you have the owner of 75 years and the 45-year-old son who do not know how to use the 3d and who want to use it.
they have already offered me 3 months of internship and subsequent recruitment because han seen that at least I can use the 3d inventor.
I don't know how much the future salary is. But I have to talk to him in 10 days.


you who recommend me? CNC machine tools or automation? ? ?

considered that they are of pleasure and pleasure is the European leader city for machine tools (see handles, and many other companies in the industry).
I believe the world stains tools can offer me many opportunities as there are many firms here.

industrial automation (food in my case) fascinates me as well because I see a future with small plants producing food and packaging directly in farms, large pastries etc. but in the end the manufacturing principles of machinery are similar also for other applications and in the future we go towards this type of work in companies (automatize as much as possible).


Moreover I wanted to ask what can be the right salary after the internship with the task of designer 3d and designer of components of the automated machine??? and instead to flank the old man who works for machine tools as a designer (he works little as a designer and more as a commercial but is the only one who works as a designer and designer them as working on existing machines to re-set must do few drawings)

 

[oliofrusto]

my purpose is to learn as much as possible in the design from March until the 30 years are completed possibly with a good salary.
I've got a bad feeling about things I do, and then I think about it when I'm home or in bed.

But I would also be willing to make transfers you earn a lot more (see trivellation companies etc... ) or service machine tools abroad provided they have a high pay.

one of my dreams was to make the team's chief technician for maintenance on machine tools abroad but I'm afraid that if I can't then I'm imprisoned to do the simple worker in company.

 

[PierArg]

My advice, leave the first company alone.
the fact that there are still those who use the pantograph does not mean being traditional but remain to change.
and at such a time, if you don't run with time, close in a short time.

I also do not see the sector with particular interest. But I might be wrong.

I would go to automation because in the future, especially in emilia, you will be much more spendable on the market.

 

[oliofrusto]

true about the pantograph, then they are disorganized, the owner goes to the workers and explains how to do a job, then comes the technical elder and says the opposite, then returns the owner and says another thing ahahahahah.

among other things I asked if they had a pc with on a 3d program and it was so upset and took me a bit around, instead the other firm also use only 2d to the computer but after I told him about the 3d they want to learn it because they understood the potential especially to facilitate the work to the workers who with a look manage to understand how the piece is done and do not lose time to understand the design 2d and also by making axious understanding.

but also practical is easier to do according to me
he already said that if I have any difficulties it makes me do a thirty hours of specific course.




Besides, don't make me fool... (apart from being an honest person since he makes me an internship of only 3 months) how much it should be an average salary just for me that I work for the first time as a 3d designer and even a little designer?

 

[haga78]

I also recommend you go with the second company, even because if one tomorrow you want to change from what I know parma is rich in companies in the mechanical-food sector and is half an hour away from you.
the other as they have already told you speaks alone, drawing with a tecnigraph in 2018...
Then obviously evaluate the contractual conditions that they propose to you, in particular define well if with the second you will have to go away and what they propose about it, I did the transfertist and can guarantee that it is not at all exciting (at least for me it was not).

salary? the internship period doesn't even include a salary, let's say if they propose something anyway it's okay. then if they decide to move to a work contract I think a 5th metal mechanic if you like.

 

[Biggmetals]

I speak for personal experience, during the internship the average salary is on 500/600€ but counting that you have already had hard work experiences I don't know. ask them to raise any doubt

 

[oliofrusto]

I wouldn't do it anymore. become crazy to graduate, become mad at a computer at work, and then take it as a worker.... If I'm born again I'll be a welder driver's license that has always fascinated me (what I wanted to do but my parents didn't advise me) and take sure more than now.


certainly next week I go to talk to him better, we just mentioned a moment because he was in a hurry and had to leave. It was just to know about how it works.

Thank you.

 

[Biggmetals]

I wouldn't do it anymore. become crazy to graduate, become mad at a computer at work, and then take it as a worker.... If I'm born again I'll be a welder driver's license that has always fascinated me (what I wanted to do but my parents didn't advise me) and take sure more than now.


certainly next week I go to talk to him better, we just mentioned a moment because he was in a hurry and had to leave. It was just to know about how it works.

Thank you.

Don't think about money, you're gonna wake up in the morning and be "happy" to go do something you like.
The money comes sooner or later.

 

[oliofrusto]

I would have liked the welder very much. I would already have 5 years of experience and maybe I would have 2000 euros, I know people who after 20 years of work takes 2500 minimum as welder.

I worked as a mechanic 5 years, beautiful job, but customers don't pay much and make me tease I don't want it so I won't put myself on my own.

It is useless to turn around, we work for money and sorry to see that efforts and sacrifices will probably not be repaid.
The only fault we have today's graduates is to be born in the wrong period.
companies exploit because they know that we do this job by passion.

we take 1000 euros the first 2 years but then you have to get to 2000 ndopo 5 years instead I see that it is not so.

There is good that it is difficult to remain unemployed unless they are total incapable, but at this point it would be difficult to graduate.
Anyway, I'm gonna have some good English and maybe even German courses. You never know.

 

[oliofrusto]

What I mean is that at 26 years I am not yet a professional designer or designer.

If I went to work with my diploma now I'd be a professional designer or designer.

at university is pure useless theory

 

[Biggmetals]

What I mean is that at 26 years I am not yet a professional designer or designer.

If I went to work with my diploma now I'd be a professional designer or designer.

at university is pure useless theory

without that theory you do not design anything

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

If I went to work with my diploma now I'd be a professional designer or designer.

I read some presumption, but beyond this personal opinion design means making calculations, analysis, finding advantageous solutions from the economic and functional point of view and much more. and the first two you do only if you have done studies that are learning at university or if you are 20-30 years of experience in technical study, the second ones acquire them after many years of design and development.
after 2-3 years you are good if you can design a particular complex without errors.

 

[oliofrusto]

I remain convinced that it is too much time and money that I don't think I would do again.
I had confirmation at the internship. I didn't know anything!

I learned more in 3 months of internship than in 3 years of university. Now I can design and dimension the engines to move a parallel lathe. I didn't learn anything at university.

I'm not just saying that, but a lot of people.
that then thanks to the habit to reason mathematically you can understand the things that you see ok but because or already worked 5 years as a mechanic, while people I know have worked in internships at famous firms and have been 10 days to try to understand how a crossbow suspension of a truck worked, this because it lacks practice.

If I ever have a child and if you ever want to study at the university and if the engineering university remains as it is now the obligation to do it in germ or Swiss, at least they apply what you study.

then lost within the working world (engineering) to 26 years and the company must waste time and money to train me.

I say these things by direct experience, among the 20 people I know well that they have already faked only 3 work in the engineering field, many have changed their way or they have rewritten themselves to the master because they did not find.

In fact I brought 5 resumes to do the compulsory university internship and in 4 companies wanted to take me while all I know were never called except 3 or 4 people and only in a place or in a company where they knew someone and took them to do a favor.


So I don't think I have presumption, but if ever disappointment of how the university path was carried out.

now I will have to try to specialize and learn as much as possible in the first years of work

 

[Biggmetals]

that you think that in the other faculties once you go out you are able to do everything without finding yourself a little "disappeared"? there is the period of shooting on purpose.. .
surely having in mind many concepts, theories and lessons you will learn much faster than one like me, a simple mechanical expert;
(obvious depends on person to person)

then lost within the working world (engineering) to 26 years and the company must waste time and money to train me.

Why doesn't a peritone do it? a company, to be called such as to me, must form you.
In that case it is not waste of time as it is not for a person studying at the aun.

 

[Stan9411]

being a little younger than you and graduating in mechanics to polimi (although drink) I feel a little bit taken into account. I hope you'll excuse me.
First of all, the walls that the three-year degree to the pole serve to create a mindset, to give a general view of the concepts that then find deepening and practical application in the master and specialist. I also had to do 480 hours of internship at the end of the three-year period and I didn't feel like I studied for three years useless theory: I was taken because I had a basic knowledge of a software cad and fem that was used by the company and that I had learned during the three years: When I was asked to make a table I made it, when I was asked to check pins and bearings I did. I happened to be caulked for inexperience and I was rightly correct (the stage serves this), but they certainly didn't have to take me or hold my hand while moving the mouse.
all theoretical knowledge found application in specialized courses, complete with laboratories and activities in which you really put into practice the knowledge obtained, even in more specialized areas of basic mechanical design, depending on the specialist choice (active damping of vibrations, control of robots and automatic systems, workshop on unconventional mechanical processing, crash test labs and wind tunnel).

In short, criticizing the educational offer of poli without having lived it in toto does not seem right. I know that there is the musp lab available to students for various projects. I mean, more than they have to offer us. . .

 

[Stan9411]

that then you say that you would like to draw and size machines and then say "if I could be born again I would take the welder license that always fascinated me"......
now, with all respect for the figure of the welder and the art of welding (because of art it is), the mechanical engineer is a professional figure that starts from those who draw screws and nuts and ends with those who design submersible, boeing 747 and thermonuclear plants. I don't know what tastes you have, but I am fascinated by a little more the working sectors I mentioned as an example, rather than a solder. and I dare you to take care of it without a masterful engineering preparation. You cannot criticize a world like engineering by weighing it on your own personal experience. of the series: in my working experience I learned to dimensional the engines of the lathes -> I did not learn it at the university -> the university does not need anything.

I apologize for the rash but you touched something I really believe ahahah.
I also apologize to moderators for some words in capital print.

 

[oliofrusto]

I speak for the three-year term, I suggest that I have chosen the professionalizing address focused on machine tools and the professional address lasts 3 years and you can not enroll in the master's office unless you do other additional exams not planned.
in theory, so we should have already learned some practice

the musp we went 1 time in 3 years and only to look obviously never to touch.

we also have the technology center siemens for those who study professionalizing address machine tools but as well as sitting and listening to the representatives of companies who came to advertise their products for machine tools we did not. He thinks that there were 2 working centers donated by the pleasure companies in the industry and we never lit them.

I was not happy, as you well know if one studies in the professionalizing address can not access the master's (unless to take the other exams of the propedeutic address you didn't do in the professionalizing), so I wonder... If they know that then I stop at the three-year-old as cabbage it is possible that you let me study useless theorems, useless demonstrations if then I have to go behind a pc to draw and design?
I very much thank my former employer who has allowed me to learn on the field to have an excellent dexterity, fault analysis and troubleshooting.

with this I want to say that to know before it was better a welding course with certification, but until you are inside you never know how it will really be and for that I did the university

 

[Stan9411]

I also did the third professionalizing year by choice, because I believed in the usefulness of the internship (and the facts gave me reason ), I did the c@o to have the average in line with the requirements of access to the master and during the internship, in the evening and weekend I studied on behalf of myself the supplementary examinations that I also passed with good votes (in any case at the university is enough 18). This is because my personal ambition is to arrive at important work goals in very challenging sectors from the technological point of view. of course maximum respect for those who decide to stop at the triennial (for lack of curiosity, desire or for simple personal, economic problems etc.), but I think that those who make this choice should be aware of having seen only a 50% (I am sorry that the three-year pleasure you have used little labs; I had very nice laboratory experiences with the master in mechatronics) and should think about it a moment before saying that the university is useless. This is because the figure of the engineer does not stop to draw and dimensional the tree, which a graduate in technical institute does to the great, often better than the same engineer. It's a work of innovation, resource management, materials, with economic implications, we devise things that can affect the lives of so many people (see an electric power plant or a car) and that if badly designed they can harm.

 

[oliofrusto]

goes well by everyone had a certain expectation and now has a certain experience that considers positive or negative for itself.
the title of study counts, because it allows you to open various doors.

I will now update you in a few days on the final interview or news.
Thank you.

 

[welcome to the machine]

I do not allow myself to recommend anything, but I am sure that the "old" designer of which we speak uses the tecnigraph and not the pantograph, which are two different things. I want to remember that adrian newey also uses the tecnigraph (or drawing board) and something designed it. . .
I personally use the cad since 1984 but I still have my table zucor that sometimes (if you do the designer and not the designer ) allows to quickly fix ideas, if there are....
I see that the university is attributed little value ( "pure useless theory ") but I have not yet been able to find any event or operation, within the framework of those of which one should take care of those who claim to want to become a designer, for which there is no theory that provides the explanation and allows control. However, I wish you luck on your journey into the world of work.
ps excellent idea to study languages, but attention to German and English: there is also a joint. . .