cocreate is suitable for design 2d?

[Dafa73]

good morning work in a company that installs weather stations.
Since I work in this company we have always utlized autocad integral for what concerns the part 3d mechanics and autocad lt for the installation layouts.
but in a few months, we should go to utlizzare cocreate modelling for both the 3d and the 2d. (the part about the 2d if I'm not mistaken is me)
I asked after these information if you cocreate is a suitable program for what concerns the 2d, (create layout blocks restraints etc.) and then if it is flexible and intuitive as autocad.

Thank you very much to anyone for any information.

 

[Cadinpiedi]

Good morning, I can tell you that there is no problem of flexibility or comprehensibility. already in the 90s me10 was far ahead of autocad. Although a 2d had already been designed for the geraric structure of the tree of the parts according to a purely mechanical concept. But be careful!, for young people trained by the school exclusively on autocad it is necessary a mental reset, therefore it is indispensable a training course, otherwise it is guaranteed the type "incepping with autocad does not do so"

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

@dafa73 you have created a double discussion, ask moderators to delete the double

 

[Shaba]

Good morning, I would say there is no comparison, in favor of me10 obviously.
But first you have to learn how he thinks me10
I hope that together with the program they also give you good personalizations

 

[Dafa73]

Good morning, I can tell you that there is no problem of flexibility or comprehensibility. already in the 90s me10 was far ahead of autocad. Although a 2d had already been designed for the geraric structure of the tree of the parts according to a purely mechanical concept. But be careful!, for young people trained by the school exclusively on autocad it is necessary a mental reset, therefore it is indispensable a training course, otherwise it is guaranteed the type "incepping with autocad does not do so"

Thank you very much

Good morning, I can tell you that there is no problem of flexibility or comprehensibility. already in the 90s me10 was far ahead of autocad. Although a 2d had already been designed for the geraric structure of the tree of the parts according to a purely mechanical concept. But be careful!, for young people trained by the school exclusively on autocad it is necessary a mental reset, therefore it is indispensable a training course, otherwise it is guaranteed the type "incepping with autocad does not do so"

that you know it was possible to download the free trial version of me10? Thank you very much

 

[Dafa73]

Good morning, I would say there is no comparison, in favor of me10 obviously.
But first you have to learn how he thinks me10
I hope that together with the program they also give you good personalizations

hello queue excuse is meant good customizations? and you know it was possible to download the free trial version? Thank you very much

 

[Kaji]

probably there are no links and promotions of the ptc to download trial versions of ptc creo elements direct (modeling now is called so) and drafting (new me10 name), also because the cocreate name has been out of use for over 10 years i.e. since it was purchased by the ptc.

personally I have always used "modeling" both for the 3d and for the 2d, also because I have never taken care of the part of planting or layouts in general, however also in the few cases in which I was passed a layout to make end line and ribbons I always used directly the 3d. There is also a paid module to make the layouts in 3d that is called creo factory design but can be very useful also to make pipes etc.

sincerely drafting or me10 would only use it to make the classic flowsheets or pneumatic systems especially for the advantage of being able to create an automatic distinction directly from the 2d, also drafting "customized by the software house" has already in itself a fairly supplied valve library.
But I don't think it was born to manage a "autocad style" layout with layers etc, even if once in the drafting manual, which I browsed superficially, I think I read that there was a chapter on the layers.

I hope that your company has carefully weighted the choice of change of the cad and not made a leap in the dark, however I have read that you are Emilian, if in the specific six of the province of parma, where the food plant is widespread, the use of this cad is very widespread and so you can easily find support.

 

[Dafa73]

probably there are no links and promotions of the ptc to download trial versions of ptc creo elements direct (modeling now is called so) and drafting (new me10 name), also because the cocreate name has been out of use for over 10 years i.e. since it was purchased by the ptc.

personally I have always used "modeling" both for the 3d and for the 2d, also because I have never taken care of the part of planting or layouts in general, however also in the few cases in which I was passed a layout to make end line and ribbons I always used directly the 3d. There is also a paid module to make the layouts in 3d that is called creo factory design but can be very useful also to make pipes etc.

sincerely drafting or me10 would only use it to make the classic flowsheets or pneumatic systems especially for the advantage of being able to create an automatic distinction directly from the 2d, also drafting "customized by the software house" has already in itself a fairly supplied valve library.
But I don't think it was born to manage a "autocad style" layout with layers etc, even if once in the drafting manual, which I browsed superficially, I think I read that there was a chapter on the layers.

I hope that your company has carefully weighted the choice of change of the cad and not made a leap in the dark, however I have read that you are Emilian, if in the specific six of the province of parma, where the food plant is widespread, the use of this cad is very widespread and so you can easily find support.

thank you very much for the answer and advice..

 

[Cadinpiedi]

Thank you very much

that you know it was possible to download the free trial version of me10? Thank you very much

the current version of me10 sold at 3d kit and called creo/elements direct drafting does not have a demo version because of course the flagship product is the 3d creo/elements direct modeling. However, there is a free 3d demo called creo/elements direct modeling express. has the limits of free demos, but still contains module 2d of the table of solids 3d. on youtube there are tutorials.
two historical notes, me10 was born in the 80s proposed by hewlett packard but written by a team of programmers in germany. it proposed as the replacement of the tecnigraph and therefore used work metaphors to imitation of it, for example in the last century the designer began drawing on the sketch paper using a 4h hard mina traced thin lines that determined the limits of the piece and then recalculated the profile with a 2h fat mine. in me10 there were and there are still a set of thin vertical, horizontal, parallel lines, circles and fittings of typical red colour on which to hook the true construction lines of the piece. Once the profile is finished, the construction lines are erased. This concept was inherited from the next 3d that many years ago was called me30. the auxiliary lines were maintained within "workplanes" where even now the profile is drawn to wrap, extrude, milling, drilling etc. also here once finished the piece 3d the workplane can be deleted without having to preserve natural life during.
returning to me10 has a powerful macro language with which you can do everything, indeed you can say that the program itself is nothing but a basic macro package that at the startup is loaded in memory. Later the customizations written in a kind of pascal can totally reconfigure the interface or add custom design features, such as drawing with a single pick an object whose dimensions were introduced in the matrix of a menu created ad hoc.
here you get to the problem of customizations. in those years to hp's original business policy was to provide the program with a basic interface scarce, then the dealer wrote its own version to manage everything and more. this was the big business of software houses that in those years earned fabulous figures, so much so that the distributors currently survived were born in those years. everything was justified by the fact that the program was seven leagues ahead of autocad, and turned on unix platform. in the early 1990s the only program plus the bearing bookcases, bolts etc cost about eight million liras of that time, then the hp hardware!
then hp decided to resign the cad section and a society was created always in germany called cocreate, hence the 3d cocreate modeling. Then the ptc that marketed the pro-engineer competitor to get out of his feet a competitor managed to buy cocreate and so much to create confusion with his own creo direct modeling renamed it ptc creo/elements direct modeling hiding it well on his own site, so that even now it is difficult to find it. the product survives because in germany there is still a hard hoof of users, but also in Italy as they have already told you are not few.
I don't know what the type of design of your company's products is, however, it seems to me that it is a courageous choice compared to the dictatorship of the imperant standards and this is not little.

 

[cacciatorino]

then, in the ex-cocreate world there are two two-dimensional cads:

1) annotation: It is the 2d module of the three-dimensional cad, and it basically serves to put on the table what you plan to 3d.

2) drafting: is the pure 2d module (the old "me10")

the two modules share the file format but I think very little else. I don't know the drafting, but I use a lot of annotations, and I think, if used as a pure 2d, it's neither intuitive nor powerful.

as written above there is a free version of creo direct/modeling with some limitations:

Download di Creo Elements/Direct Modeling Express 6.0 | PTC

Scaricate Creo Elements/Direct Modeling Express 6.0, la versione gratuita di PTC Creo Elements/Direct Modeling Express 19.0.

www.ptc.com

 

[Cadinpiedi]

then, in the ex-cocreate world there are two two-dimensional cads:

1) annotation: It is the 2d module of the three-dimensional cad, and it basically serves to put on the table what you plan to 3d.

2) drafting: is the pure 2d module (the old "me10")

the two modules share the file format but I think very little else. I don't know the drafting, but I use a lot of annotations, and I think, if used as a pure 2d, it's neither intuitive nor powerful.

as written above there is a free version of creo direct/modeling with some limitations:

Download di Creo Elements/Direct Modeling Express 6.0 | PTC

Scaricate Creo Elements/Direct Modeling Express 6.0, la versione gratuita di PTC Creo Elements/Direct Modeling Express 19.0.

www.ptc.com

I confirm, I did not express myself clearly. Ultimately there are no demos of only 2d ptc creo elements/direct drafting (alias me10). the free form of table attached to express is a reduced form of non-functional annotation nor comparable to me10 for only 2d use.

 

[Kotom-Eng]

in fact there is the demo version. This is not a demo version because it is the same original drafting software (me10).

without license you can do everything (draw, save, print, etc.), but you are limited to about 200 elements (lines, circles, arches, etc.).

It's not much, but enough to learn.

personally use it to create small planes or diagrams.

Kotom-Eng

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