could i have a future working as a user cad?

[liukk]

Hello, everyone!
I have read on the forum the stories of new graduates and graduates to the first work experience, the research of information of those who would like to learn, the useful and valuable advice of those who have more experience, the necessary motivation, of the pays that are often to be satisfied without being fully satisfied. I would like to take advantage of the excellent forum to expose my situation and my doubts, hoping not to be too repetitive compared to previous discussions.
I am 29 years old (age of apprenticeship, although only for a few months), I live in Piedmont, a diploma of geometra and a three-year degree in civil engineering (I have not matured working experiences in such sectors). As I look for work, when I turn to interinal agencies, these always ask me if I would be able to make the designer cad, which can make me understand that there would be possibilities. actually, from a first look, even the various job offers sites report different ads for designers and designers cad. if still not understood: the cad unfortunately I don't know how to use it, so I'm evaluating the chance to give me the chance to learn. I have identified an evening course (250 hours) of those financed by the province, to which I suppose I should at least support a nice internship.
a first perplexity, naively I realize, which comes to mind is the following. the majority of the working announcements I read to draw cad concern the scope of mechanics or industry. My studies, on the other hand, concern the construction industry, very in crisis. could I still be considered in the companies that deal with mechanical design? is there a figure of the non-designer designer and there are real opportunities?
thanks for the attention and your time!

 

[meccanicamg]

companies that design and install mechanical plants, for example rolling mills, continuous castings, sheet cutting lines, process lines such as padding, degreasing, galvanization etc. require a designer of civil works that deals with concrete foundations. therefore of weights, dimensions, tunnels, corrugated, rods for anchoring machines, stairs, barrels etc.
Of course coming to 29 years and not knowing how to use a cad is not a good start. thinking of starting to work with apprenticeship is only a minchiata of these years, because from that there exists the engineer has always been assumed to a determined time with a normal contract.
in our time, and not so backward, who wanted to learn a cad or a program if he was looking for it, install it to and learn it at night. Now I don't understand why young people have become all molluscs who cannot, they don't know, they don't want... that's why they do apprenticeship contracts where they don't pay you a bat for 3 years.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

In fact, a school that must bring out geometries, but also applies to engineers and the like, and that not from a training on the tools that will be used is disturbing. the time of the compass and team at 90° is disassembled by a nice piece.
a little as if the bricklayer taught only the cement chemistry and not to use the level and the pyombino.

 

[TAURUS77]

You are perfectly right but the situation is this. in universities there is no time to learn a cad or a fem and when they do courses are made to the c... or dog. in today's new and civil society you pay university fees to study by self-taught. I'm like you one of the old guard but I could tell you about crushes and cruel at the limits of grotesque and comedy.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

Can we say that there's a part of guilt in who the job is learning?
that a person in 6/8 years (I also put those of itis or similar) has never heard of the term cad and that he never asked what it is for, how much it is needed, why do they not teach it?
that you have not asked the question: but once you've finished these years of college of practical what do I carry in bag? What asks me who offers work?
Shit, it's a bunch of years. one cannot live in a bubble based on spritz, some barrel and dissertation.

 

[TAURUS77]

Can we say that there's a part of guilt in who the job is learning?
that a person in 6/8 years (I also put those of itis or similar) has never heard of the term cad and that he never asked what it is for, how much it is needed, why do they not teach it?
that you have not asked the question: but once you've finished these years of college of practical what do I carry in bag? What asks me who offers work?
Shit, it's a bunch of years. one cannot live in a bubble based on spritz, some barrel and dissertation.

Instead you... there is a youth who lives of reeds, spritz and one I don't want to do a c..... or.

 

[liukk]

Thanks for the answers!

Of course coming to 29 years and not knowing how to use a cad is not a good start.

Unfortunately, the work I have done in recent years had nothing to do with the cad (and in general with the construction industry, as I said).

thinking of starting to work with apprenticeship is only a minchiata of these years, because from that there exists the engineer has always been assumed to a determined time with a normal contract.
in our time, and not so backward, who wanted to learn a cad or a program if he was looking for it, install it to and learn it at night. Now I don't understand why young people have become all molluscs who cannot, they don't know, they don't want... that's why they do apprenticeship contracts where they don't pay you a bat for 3 years.

ok, but I do not take for granted to find work as a civil iunior engineer (unfortunately it is not for granted). So I have to deal with the reality where companies of any sector for any position prefer candidates in apprenticeship age (many or not mollusc).

In fact, a school that must bring out geometries, but also applies to engineers and the like, and that not from a training on the tools that will be used is disturbing. the time of the compass and team at 90° is disassembled by a nice piece.
a little as if the bricklayer taught only the cement chemistry and not to use the level and the pyombino.

You are perfectly right but the situation is this. in universities there is no time to learn a cad or a fem and when they do courses are made to the c... or dog. in today's new and civil society you pay university fees to study by self-taught. I'm like you one of the old guard but I could tell you about crushes and cruel at the limits of grotesque and comedy.

I agree with you, but unfortunately it is. As for my experience, at the school for geometri the design professor was old school and we exclusively designed by hand. that it was because next to retirement and autocad didn't know how to use him either, I don't want to think so. and certainly there are those who would still support today that it is right to start with paper and pencil and that the software you can learn at any time (I have also read it on the forum actually). I think the best thing is in the middle. Of course, my comrades and I had all autocad installed on the pc and we played on our own, but our level was reasonably low and who then continued on different roads, not having used it regularly, he also forgot that little.
at the university, on the other hand, no, as taurus77 says, there is something else, at least in my address and in the athene that I attended (civile, polytecnico di torino). Different speech is definitely for architecture and building engineering courses, where I saw students use autocad regularly.

However, I'm not here to cry on me. I think the gaps can always be filled. what I would like to assess is whether this can actually open some extra doors.

Thank you again!

 

[liukk]

Can we say that there's a part of guilt in who the job is learning?

certainly.

one cannot live in a bubble based on spritz, some barrel and dissertation.

Instead you... there is a youth who lives of reeds, spritz and one I don't want to do a c..... or.

s young people have become all molluscs that can not, do not know, do not want... .

I respect the experience of those who have more years of me and appreciate the valuable advice. I allow myself to say that maybe generalize a little. However, I recognize all my faults in not giving me more to do this.
there is also those who have followed a certain course of studies then do something else and not necessarily it is a faction of reeds, sprizs, character springs and with desire to make a dick. But, of course, these speeches are not constructive. I take note and thank you.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

what I would like to assess is whether this can actually open some extra doors.

I mean, how to use a cad? If you want to enter the world that has to do technical design is indispensable.
also the design passes through the cad and not only lives with handmade sketches that makes a lot of flipper.
But if you did the geometra or try to get into environments where this figure is required and then maybe you don't know how to use the cad could pass in the second floor otherwise, hope to start making the mechanical designer without knowing how to use a cad, know how to read a technical design, know nothing about mechanical processing and tolerances, shave the miracle.

Of course, that of spritz and reeds is an hyperbole, but the rest of the speech is valid. If a cad already had it and you didn't worry about thinking that in the world of work if what you learn at school is resized downwards because rightly you are not able to contextualize it, with cad you work there and you can't put half an hour to rotate a line so at least the bsi must be solid. at school do hand drawings and at home do them again with cad

 

[meccanicamg]

I am glad that when I did theitis to the third, fourth and fifth year we had an old style design professor, very good and pignolo but he did gbg at the time he was. had it when it was time to do autocad, he had the courage to tell me: I don't know a c... or, is it not that you can give me a hand by making me a hand and giving me a hand to your companions and you do the autocad lessons?
I proud, who were already 3/4 years that autocad I used it in 2d both plain and with ucs to make isometrics, I was very pleased to have explained what I knew to my colleagues and my prof.
Someone has to break the chain of "I don't do anything so much. I don't care."
we had to do, prof or not prof.

 

[liukk]

So, a moment. I didn't blame my high school teacher, though maybe that's what you wanted to read, forgive me. I just said he made us draw by hand, in response to the fact that at the geometri school they don't always teach to use the software.
even we out of class, on our own, tried to learn how to use autocad. but it seems to me to be humble and honest on my part to argue that it's been 10 years and I don't feel like I know how to use it (and there's not just autocad). I have recognized my shortcomings in the study of these programs in the last few years, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's a "I don't do anything so much" as you say, you just can do anything else in life.
Now I found myself without work and I'm simply evaluating if, with the right tire, it can be useful and convenient to take a certain new road rather than others. I don't think I was rude or presumptuous: If that's the message that passed between the lines I'm sorry and I apologize.
I honestly hoped to find a dialogue for a constructive future, instead of this hostility. I have no interest and time to continue the discussion about young people who do not want to do anything, and it seems that besides that you cannot go, so I thank you anyway for your time.
Hi.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

back to your initial questions:

could I still be considered in the companies that deal with mechanical design? is there a figure of the non-designer designer and there are real opportunities?

It will have a period that will have in your figure an economic perdity that is understood as an investment. this perdity will be inversely proproductive to your knowledge of matter. if you are already formed on the bases the training time will be relatively short and after 6 months the company begins to have a return; If you are tabula rasa this return will take place in a couple of years. (hypothetic characteristics so much to give figures).
It seems obvious to me that if you don't know anything about mechanics it is difficult for someone to hire you.
if you have building bases, the possibilities are much greater; Also in the building as in any other field they serve maneuvers that produce or produce what the various engineers, designers, architects think. You're not really gonna believe that an architect who designs a skyscraper then make all the boards to send to the yard alone? no, that's when the designer jumps out, who puts the studios of the turn escher in good shape, and that from the work of the construction site of the tables with all the information to pull on those four sbile walls

 

[liukk]

back to your initial questions:

It will have a period that will have in your figure an economic perdity that is understood as an investment. this perdity will be inversely proproductive to your knowledge of matter. if you are already formed on the bases the training time will be relatively short and after 6 months the company begins to have a return; If you are tabula rasa this return will take place in a couple of years. (hypothetic characteristics so much to give figures).
It seems obvious to me that if you don't know anything about mechanics it is difficult for someone to hire you.

Thank you. It seems reasonable. Of course I could not talk about proposing myself as a mechanical designer. I wanted to deepen my speech on the designer's job because I realize I have no knowledge of mechanics. therefore also the designer needs mechanical skills. and even if these could be learned during a water supply, it is difficult to find who would hire me in this field. I understand.

if you have building bases, the possibilities are much greater; Also in the building as in any other field they serve maneuvers that produce or produce what the various engineers, designers, architects think. You're not really gonna believe that an architect who designs a skyscraper then make all the boards to send to the yard alone? no, that's when the designer jumps out, who puts the studios of the turn escher in good shape, and that from the work of the construction site of the tables with all the information to pull on those four sbile walls

what frightens me in the building is the advice of many old classmates to look for work elsewhere, since they too are struggling now. On the other hand, it seems to me that the offer is greater. from here was born my initial post.

Thank you very much

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

therefore also the designer needs mechanical skills.

Of course. drawing is not just a set of lines that anyone can do.
as I imagine a building designer should know that information put in the drawing as the type of concrete to use, how many irons put in the pillar, so also in the mechanical design you need to know how and where to indicate the work to be done by car, where there are welding and what type, the areas that need tolerances. the designer can decide the type of material, thermal treatments and other inderogable things, but then the production draft makes it the designer who has to have certain knowledge.
in the forum find dozens of drawings and assemblies; Test yourself: if already quoted deciphers the information that is inserted, if it is an assembly try to understand which and how the details are made

 

[meccanicamg]

In fact I told you that you can propose yourself to the mechanical azjes that put plants on foundations and here you can bring out the skills of the reinforced concrete that are in you, while being in the mechanical sector.

 

[gianni55]

learning a cad through a course funded by the province, can offer you some extra possibilities, compared to your current situation with minimal experience in an area already in crisis...
After learning the rudiments, you will have to apply trying to reproduce in 3d and in 2d what is congenial to you for your studies and finally expand with 3d and 2d derivatives from mechanical/industrial field, only at that point you can try to put yourself on the market by comparing you with younger boys than you are favored (because of the contracts, because they have more appropriate trainings etc.).
at that point in order to succeed you have to put yourself in the game maybe giving you so much availability to end up in some office that asks interinali even with little experience because of uncomfortable seats or heavy shifts... if your training and tenacious commitment succeed in producing fruits that are appreciated, you will work a little and you will gain experience, otherwise the system will bring you back to the point of departure.
desire to study and work, curiosity and tenacity (in addition to capacity and predisposition), united with spirit of sacrifice, generate great paths and this is true to become caddist, pizza maker or baker.
If you think it might be a road you like, walk through it, otherwise look for something more congenial to you.
Hi.

 

[LaboratorioDieci]

I honestly find that talking about "cad operator" is generally more philosophy than technique. in the sense that we talk about such a wide range of applications that you can easily lose. I personally tried it a long time ago on my own proposing to me to design studies to put in beautiful their orders, but despite all good will it was a hole in the water. then I was lucky that in the company of molds where I worked, with oil and chips to my neck, they chose me to start production with cnc machines through cad/cam design, and there I found my way.
If I can express an opinion, to propose myself to a study to do the caddist is how to propose itself in a workshop to make the hammer: It doesn't make sense. proceeding to the reverse finds rather a goal, frame the company or the type of product on which you can work and try to understand with which tool you can be approachable in the field, then learn that. In addition to the subsidized courses there are also software distributors with which it is worth a chat to explore the possibilities of training they offer.
do not scare you if for what you see you have no appreciable basis: It can be that you will find yourself shaping complex surfaces, and for that you need eye and patience, more than a degree.
Good luck!

 

[TAURUS77]

Of course.




I respect the experience of those who have more years of me and appreciate the valuable advice. I allow myself to say that maybe generalize a little. However, I recognize all my faults in not giving me more to do this.
there is also those who have followed a certain course of studies then do something else and not necessarily it is a faction of reeds, sprizs, character springs and with desire to make a dick. But, of course, these speeches are not constructive. I take note and thank you.

Of course.




I respect the experience of those who have more years of me and appreciate the valuable advice. I allow myself to say that maybe generalize a little. However, I recognize all my faults in not giving me more to do this.
there is also those who have followed a certain course of studies then do something else and not necessarily it is a faction of reeds, sprizs, character springs and with desire to make a dick. But, of course, these speeches are not constructive. I take note and thank you.

In any case I think that this discussion is generally understood as a sense of speech and has nothing personal. On many occasions I found myself confronting the new generations of university students and the situations that I found in front of me are the most varied but all tied by a conductor thread many are enrolled at the university for trial and have no motivation and stimuli that lead them to passionate about discipline. Many of these guys feel that engineering offers more work outlets and they write thinking they have solved their problems....then when I happen to pull out a topic to see how they interact drown in a glass of water. I appreciate this attitude. . .the only advice I feel to give you is to acquire those mechanical notions that you miss perhaps by taking advantage of good dispensers in the field of technical design, mechanical processing etc... but as someone said in the discussion is a drop in the ocean. the courses you talk about can help to broaden your knowledge but I think it would be ideal to find a company that allows you to do a little bit of a thing....but I see it hard because finding this availability is like a six to the supernalotto and you are often not paid.

 

[liukk]

I understand the meaning of the speech. It is not a profession that you learn from one day to another or with a course. Perhaps with a course you can learn to use the cad tool, but obviously not enough. In fact what scares me less is just learning the software: not that I think it is easy, indeed anything else, but there are courses and books so with good will maybe you can do. While what is most concerned is the lack of mechanical knowledge and that this lack can exclude me from the possibility of finding a job.
Is it not possible that what you need to know can be learned directly by working?
As for the graduation speech, I do not think it can replace years of work experience, but this not only in your sector, in any case. It is not that who has the degree automatically knows everything and is better than everyone, indeed to demonstrate that it is often true the opposite. for what was my experience, engineering studies have served me to develop a certain way of thinking, a sort of education. This is useful to me in life regardless of work. then that go to make the worker, the mason, the pizzaiolo or the designer cad, it is to learn like all the others.