design and then who signs?

[oliofrusto]

in mechanics, if I design some product and I am a three-year engineer who signs it?
We put that I work in a company where I am the only graduate (triennial), who signs the project?
who is the responsibility if something is designed wrong and breaks and dies the user?

at home instead if I wanted to design a product, then realize it and sell it (in small series) how is the story? of course opening an example activity to make wood stoves.

 

[New Rider]

in mechanics, if I design some product and I am a three-year engineer who signs it?
We put that I work in a company where I am the only graduate (triennial), who signs the project?
who is the responsibility if something is designed wrong and breaks and dies the user?

at home instead if I wanted to design a product, then realize it and sell it (in small series) how is the story? of course opening an example activity to make wood stoves.

if you work as an employee at a company, the owner of the company you are working with.
in his way the owner then, can draw up, in case of quotation to judgement, the technical manager of his company who will have to respond to his work.

 

[oliofrusto]

But like where I have to go to work next month I have father and son in the office, who are just graduates... Who signs?

 

[MFT]

But like where I have to go to work next month I have father and son in the office, who are just graduates... Who signs?

No one...

 

[oliofrusto]

and then what do you need to sign up for engineers? ? ?
So I could open a company to produce stoves and nobody has to sign the project? ? ?

professors at university have always told us that who puts the signature has responsibility for the damages that can cause the machine during use.

another firm spoke to me at the interview that they need a structural engineer who can sign designs etc. because now they have to lean on an external office

 

[Kaji]

in general who signs projects and assumes responsibility has insurance coverage etc. etc., for this reason we often turn to certified external studies

 

[oliofrusto]

OK thank you so we say that it is not mandatory to sign but is only a protection for the company itself to download the fault in case of problems?

 

[PierArg]

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another firm spoke to me at the interview that they need a structural engineer who can sign designs etc. because now they have to lean on an external office

Maybe the company you're talking about is a family company that is looking for an engineer to start a collaboration with, not to be hired as an employee.

regarding your initial doubt, if the company is a company of persons (s.n.c., s.a.s.) the owner answers, if instead it is a company of capital (s.r.l. or s.p.a.) then it enjoys legal personality and answers the company.

I make a banal example: If you break the windshield of your point and you hurt the cause you don't do it directly to the brand but to the fca.

Hi.

 

[oliofrusto]

Okay thank you, last doubt and then I no longer stress you ahah.
I as a three-year graduate engineer could open a company of design and realization of a product (example wood stoves)?
So from what I realized then I am not obliged to sign the project to someone, even if I could to avoid legal problems in the future example if a stove breaks and catches fire the house?

 

[Biggmetals]

I'm pretty ignorant about it, but I don't think if the stove burns a house because of a malfunction due to the design you don't get into trouble. signed or not. ♪

 

[PaoloColombani]

I as a three-year graduate engineer could open a company of design and realization of a product (example wood stoves)?

You can open it with the third grade. Whatever your slag, you will need to maintain a technical file that certifies compliance with the regulations in force during the design, the certificates relating to materials that require suppliers, and the certificates of processing if required by law. some of these certificates can only be issued by a professional figure enabled to do so, such as certification of welding (but not for a stove, provided that there are no pressure tanks). then serves the certificate relating to tests carried out according to the regulations on the finished product. often you turn to a certified laboratory that only does the one by trade and that will subject your stove to a series of also destructive tests. but this company releases you a certificate that says the tests have been carried out according to the regulations required, it does not certify your product, because you may have provided the laboratory a well working product and then enter a product on the market. you will always certify your product by self-certification, and no one will ask you until an accident occurs; then you will have to exhibit the technical file and all certifications as proof of the fact that your product complies with the regulations.

 

[drake]

Sorry but reading certain things leave me ground.... stamp and signature serves x credit a professional responsibility that a qualified subject has. this regardless if it is a free professional or dependent. Of course, employees create other issues related to the professional relationship. but not that the owner is completely responsible for everything that makes his employee. Then there would be no need for professionals with stamps. the analogy in the world of construction is that an enterprise that realizes a work must possess the professional skills x understand if what is happening is or not correct from the technical point of view. It is clear that if there is a problem, the various levels of responsibility will be distinguished. but take away from the head that an employee technician has no responsibility for what he designs. If you are wrong to make the calculation, a prefabricated beam by employee of a prefabrication company, the technical error you compose it not your owner, as it is right. I hope I explained.

 

[haga78]

from what I know the manufacturer is responsible for placing the product on the market.
This means that if some incident happens, the customer will be on the company (the legal representative answers).

It is clear that the legal representative of the company can then "return", in case he has to do a thesis in his defense, on the designer, on test labs..etc. where design or verification anomalies are ascertained.
but the responsibility to the customer is of the manufacturer, he sells the product to the customer.

 

[drake]

Obviously, but changing the order of the addicts the result does not change. so I just wanted to emphasize that it is wrong to think that it is not responsible because you are dependent.

 

[paulpaul]

in mechanics, if I design some product and I am a three-year engineer who signs it?
We put that I work in a company where I am the only graduate (triennial), who signs the project?
who is the responsibility if something is designed wrong and breaks and dies the user?

at home instead if I wanted to design a product, then realize it and sell it (in small series) how is the story? of course opening an example activity to make wood stoves.

in the case of sale in the eu, it is usually sufficient to declare the conformity of the product to the applicable directives: is the only really important piece of paper to sign, and - as others have already told you - nobody looks at it unless accidents occur in the use of that product.
the marking and the signature of the declaration of conformity presupposes the preparation of the technical dossier, in which the answer is demonstrated to the essential requirements of the directives themselves (through calculations, tests, verification of compliance with the applicable rules, tests, etc.): This file must be kept ready and available for the authority, in case of an accident.
in manufacturing companies the statement is signed by the company's administrator, who then takes the criminal liability first: Obviously, in case of process, other sector managers may be involved, although the answers received by the legal persons are rather confusing.
Moreover, there may be additional compliance required for that product, beyond eu directives: for example, compliance with certain rules and regulations for specific countries or for particular applications, declarations of non-compatibility with other uses, etc.: these statements are almost always signed by the company administrator, but it is not infrequent that they are signed only by the technical director.

all these signatures not only do not require - unless you talk about installations of particular plants - enrollment in the atbo of no order/college, but do not even require a minimum degree of study! therefore, the question arises spontaneously: what is needed to be entered in an order if the stamp is not used in practice? In fact, if we go to see the statistics, the members of the engineering order (of my province, but I think the speech is extensible) are almost all civilians, who - as far as I know - need stamp to be able to legally sign certain documents in accordance with Italian legislation: the same is not true for industrialists, as ordinary manufacturing activities do not normally require the signature of a qualified professional.
one of the few cases in which we speak of registration to professional orders for the drafting of a non-citizen project is that of the plants covered by dm 37/08.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

No one...

This seems to me by far the most sensible answer.

project signature depends on what you're planning. for the buildings there are well defined standards, for the ships there are the certifying bodies, for the lifting equipment as well, for the wood stoves... I don't think there's anything. you must see the applicable legislation what it says.

For example, if it is a machine, it is the manufacturer who must constitute the technical dossier of the construction where there are various drawings, calculations, relationships, with so many managers. Need an engineer? It is not said.

I ask you a question, if you make a beautiful, very safe project, you sign it, then who makes standard construction of that stove does not do production controls and that sheet that had to be two millimeters more or less five, comes out one from 1.45mm, breaks and burns a house, who answers it? who did the project or who built the stove?

 

[oliofrusto]

ok thanks you have made me clear the ideas