desperately looking for projects! !

[Lucky66]

Is it an endangered job?
I am in the province of Brescia, all my die customers are in the same situation:redface:
How's it going? ?
I don't know where to look anymore, good times where you worked day and night to deliver:angry:we're hoping for changes!!
Hi.

 

[IPdesign]

Hi.
in the province of bg something is, indeed in the last month it seems that something increases as a design request.
However, problems are substantially 2
1st prices decide the customer
2nd payment terms as well

I have the impression that many companies cast us on the wave of the crisis to carry out payments and thus to spread the expenses.

 

[Lucky66]

the price problem, and the payment conditions are a bit, but the fact that no orders are coming.
Since bg is before bs and you say something moves we hope that the air will pull even here!!
If you find yourself more work contact me:biggrin:
Hi:36_1_11:

 

[Fulvio Romano]

Hi.
in the province of bg something is, indeed in the last month it seems that something increases as a design request.
However, problems are substantially 2
1st prices decide the customer
2nd payment terms as well

I have the impression that many companies cast us on the wave of the crisis to carry out payments and thus to spread the expenses.

When did you get a price?
I think the estimates are just a guideline to follow in the ko...

What is certain is that the companies cast on the crisis to dismiss people...any better chance?

 

[Mocca]

...the common half of the audio...:frown:
here in the Turinan hinterland does not move leaf. we are waiting for our “Mom” to leave with the works promised for January 2010. I also confirm that it is the customer who today decides as time and at what price it is necessary to relish the work and from us has never been like this. we hope in more thriving moments where we will all be hyper engaged having to say no to the orders and only in that way we can again deal with the conditions.
Finally, I add that it is our fault to make our shoes by trying to check a more favorable price than a ns. competitor and it is also true that rather than to stand still we fall the brags; difficult situation. in September I worked for a net time cost of about 9 euros considering that who does the cleaning (without removing anything to those who work in this sector) works at 10 euros. We wait for hope.
Good things to all.

 

[uluwatu_74]

What is certain is that the companies cast on the crisis to dismiss people...any better chance?

Then it's not just my impression!
I thought it was all a great project!
style twin towers! ! ! ! !

 

[Fulvio Romano]

Then it's not just my impression!
I thought it was all a great project!
style twin towers! ! ! ! !

Complottist, huh?
to think wrong makes sin... but often guesses.. .

 

[feludovi]

in moments like these things happen very strange things...... .
continuous requests for offers and projects that are inmancably lost.
technical offices that manage to work at a time cost of 6euro.
an abnormal increase of "professional freedoms" that, working with illegal software, manage to break down costs and to do man low you everything.
We look like a bunch of crazy fish in a bucket... .

 

[Lucky66]

Last of this morning, he calls me a client (stampist) I need a draft of a mold ok:finger:
must cost very little because the customer does not pay the project!!!
then this should not cost, the other you are expensive, hours and hours of quotes that no one pays a cent:
What do we do?? ? ? ? ?

 

[fab69]

To open a bar on the beach, to holy domingo, as my friend, former mechanical engineer. . .

 

[Lucky66]

To open a bar on the beach, to holy domingo, as my friend, former mechanical engineer. . .

I've been thinking about it:36_1_1:

 

[zivago]

about the mold industry the situation is really disconcerting.
now we have reached the most infamous auctions at the bottom.

in my sector (automotive) the price of large molds, over the last 2 to 3 years, has averagely depreciated at least 25%; figure out what happened for small molds!

tell me that the biggest European die makers in assigning orders now use this method:

a) from a list of moulders (already selected according to strict quality-price-delivery criteria) convene a number of possible suppliers;

b) unilaterally establish the conditions and times of supply including penalties for any non-compliance (untilfully always decided by them) and any delays of delivery (no matter their liability);

(c) fix a basic price and its payment deadlines,

at this point between the suppliers the race is unleashed; a real war between the poor!

Now it happens that (when he manages to bring home the commissioner) the poor moldist should, for the scanned agreed price, make the miracle to provide the mold to the following imperative conditions:

1. comply with the highest quality and productivity standards of the mold imposed by the customer;

2. pursue the numerous and always pending variants in the course of work that the client imposes (aggratis);

3. stick to the strict and unreliable terms of delivery not to incur in penalties that would ruin it.

Well, many say, what's the problem? just innovate, invest, do research, qualify staff, and company singing ...
but the fact is that: quality costs, it takes time and so much motivation, all things that are scarce today.
This is the core of the crisis. If consumption and exports will still remain the problem of the competitiveness of our work.

I believe that today in Italy for certain types of molds there is no future.
the productions of certain low-cost articles are now permanently moving elsewhere and with them also the relative moulds and various equipment.
to us should remain high quality products. I don't necessarily think of those of the highest technology (we think about how many computers and phones are produced in wool at infirmi prices) but to a range of models of great invoice and refinement that, wishing, we Italians would know and we could do. for certain products they make ‘status symbol’ the market could be immense; we think how much could buy from us that 2÷3% of the 1.3 billion Chinese + 1 billion Indians who are enriching themselves.

but today, in concrete terms, we individual enterprises or workers what can we do or ask who can decide on the economic policy of the country?

I think some very simple things (which doesn't mean easy: making simple and effective things is very difficult!) , you could start doing right away.

for example:

1. to demand a serious industrial policy, but also cultural policy, which is of the utmost value, both economically and ethically productive work and related services and knowledge connected to it. premiums and tax penalties, streamlining of bureaucracy, facilitated credits must reward those who produce real wealth and create jobs by giving them full dignity and pride;

2. focus on the exclusivity of our products, the so-called “made in italy”. in fact the value of the goods often prescinds from its intrinsic value. the old Marx (not an ideological call) spoke of “fetishness of goods” which have a value of exchange detached from its use value. possession of certain products becomes a question of ‘status’ is a cultural fact established by a certain context; For example, we think of the German car, Japanese electronics, American show business, etc.;

3. Let us all assume responsibility: for what we do not do. Let's stop hearing about the mistakes of others and feel that the fault is always someone else's. Let's end it with the imbecile, all Italian, individualism of “It’s not my problem”, del “I’m smarter” o del “they will think about it”. We begin to do our duties to the bottom and to be more rigorous with ourselves wondering each evening if we earned honest bread eaten. Let us end it with certain political-ideological counterpositions now out of time and let us clear, right or left judging the concrete facts instead of propaganda. We try to be more generous in the awareness that we either progress together or at the longest all (even those who today have privileges and are believed to be sheltered) we will face an agonizing future.

Finally, I would say that we must be aware of how history is changing and changing.
We must acknowledge that we, the West, are no longer the navel of the world. Today there is all a planet made of billions of men and women willing to work more and better than us at prices much lower than ours.
Let us make a reason, let's not enlighten, nothing will come back as before. it will no longer be possible to work relatively little (often bad) to earn and consume so much. It shows, moreover, the crisis today from debts of Western economies (not to mention the huge debt that crushes our country).
I believe that we will necessarily have to get used to very different models of life, work and consumption: more modest, more ecologically correct, more socially fair and, to a certain extent, even more tiring. but, ultimately, it is not said that all this will make us live worse; Are we sure that you lived well before?

courage and... as the good eduardo said: “He has a feeding pass.

ciao a tutti.