domotica

[AlbertoC]

egregi
I am a frequenter of other sections of the forum, for my needs I consider this the appropriate section.
we bought a house that has a domotic panel.... here stops the explanation of the builder.
you would tell me where to document me on the net on the subject, as if I were a child (I am a mechanic). preferably very practical aspects.
Thank you.
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[Er Presidente]

Please don't be impressed by the roboating names and impossible functions.
reality is much more "theores".
I'll explain, in my own way, clearly.

He thinks of putting together all the house breakers, the thermostat, the controls of the conditioner of the programmable anti-theft and light of the stairs, mixes everything in a bucket and what comes out is the "domestic".

Basically, having no more ideas about how to steal money, they thought well to put a display attached to a button and connect all the house switches with roboating functions.

It works as a messed-up thermostat, but don't worry about the first power surge or the first lightning in the neighborhood (they always forget to mount the "cosino" stabilizer from 3 kw biricchini!) you will blow yourself and you will (at dear price) revert your home to a normal place to live.

Hi.

p.s.: ...

 

[cacciatorino]

He thinks of putting together all the house breakers, the thermostat, the controls of the conditioner of the programmable anti-theft and light of the stairs, mixes everything in a bucket and what comes out is the "domestic".

Actually, there should be something extra, like being able to turn on heating or air conditioning or oven with potatoes already inserted inside, sending a text from your mobile phone when you're still on the highway 50 km from home...
or maybe start the cat's croquette dispenser by sms so you can take the weekend out of the house without having to find a cat-sitter!

 

[Er Presidente]

or maybe start the cat's croquette dispenser by sms so you can take the weekend out of the house without having to find a cat-sitter!

for that I found a different solution, new cat every 15 days!
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[stefanobruno]

for that I found a different solution, new cat every 15 days!
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do polenta every 15 days even in summer :biggrin:

 

[zeigs]

I would find it very convenient to turn off the light in the hallway from above the sofa using two clicks on the palmarino net with the domocoso. especially if I have already covered with plaid and the cat tastes on my belly

more seriously, domotics includes all those automatisms that are introduced into a house (domos: home + robotics in the sense of automation) mostly electrical/electronic. In principle we only control electric shutters, lights, heating and anti-theft, but the fantasy actually has very wide limits in this case. the fridge that orders via the internet alone is a put**ta from magazines style jack...
at the practical moment the electrical system must be in some centralized way, so it costs much more, because the pc that controls the house must arrive all the utilities, all the controls and all the sensors.
the system, if so we want to call it, becomes more fragile (offering problems of a pc amplified for the size of the house...) but also much more ductile: You want a button to no longer control the house gate but a lamp? two clicks and is done. Are you in the office and going out? remotely tell the heating to turn on so you get to the hot house, things like that.

personally I would see it very well integrated by a handheld of those of last generation who connect wi-fi with the home network and in practice you become a remote control with which you control the house without having to stand from under the blankets

But as someone has already said, it is relatively useless expenses (that if I had to make a house anyway I would look with benevolent eye:biggrin

as to your panel... when you visit the house you take down the model and search on the internet the relative manual, usually located, so you will find out what it can do. what he does in reality depends on what they finally connected to him

 

[Fulvio Romano]

I know you're all very skeptical about domotics... and I can't blame you a priori.

First of all, in my opinion it makes sense to speak of domotics for houses from a certain size to rise, I would put a limit to 150mq if on two levels, or at least 200mq if at one level.

the main thing that makes domotics is to optimize consumption, as it goes of fashion, for example:

Rule 1: I have a bi-hour contract
rule 2: I turned on the washing machine, in the program is provided heating to 90°c, level of washing priority = low

system output: "the washing machine is started not before 19.00"


... and then use some programmable scenarios like:

party with friends: ball lighting, turn on the stereo and charge the playlist n°36, turn off the lights in all rooms, activate the presence sensor for the lights in the bathroom

Fist with the girlfriend: Smooth lighting, turn on the stereo and charge the playlist n°3, soft and colorful lights throughout the house, garden driveway with maximum lighting

at home only, game+ free: normal lighting in the living room, turn off the rest of the house, turn on TV and home theater, set the channel "premium room"

etc. .

All stuff that doesn't serve a ca@@o in short, the blue light under the car doesn't serve anything and costs a lot, does it? (in fact, that is also prohibited by the road code!)

 

[Fulvio Romano]

egregi
I am a frequenter of other sections of the forum, for my needs I consider this the appropriate section.
we bought a house that has a domotic panel.... here stops the explanation of the builder.
you would tell me where to document me on the net on the subject, as if I were a child (I am a mechanic). preferably very practical aspects.
Thank you.
tree

can be that you have installed a touch screen and wired the house with a data cable.
therefore you have the predisposition for a domotic system. this means buying domotic appliances, domotic control units, etc.ecc.ecc. depends on the system. attention, most standards are owners. . .

 

[zeigs]

for linux there is mythtv that I think has also domotic functions. it turns out that with an interface I also commands you the video recorder and TV

 

[lattu]

I ran into the domotics, too. It was his wife who knocked my head. it was for me I wouldn't even consider it, but since we are renovating home and a friend of ours does the proper representative of 'the gadgets made us a brief demonstration of what they do and how they can program.

What he couldn't tell me (and not even the electrician who is following me the works) is the amount of cables to be laid.
My problem is the traces and grooves because some I could only do on the floor and in a limited portion of the house I couldn't even do those because of insufficient thicknesses so I am forced to go to wall or ceiling.

They explained that everything is controlled by a binary code, sent from the panel to the control unit and that it is enough to lay two caves but to me it seems impossible.

because I don't understand anything about electronics, and especially I don't know the terminology (derives, horselets, etc...) someone could explain to me in practical terms what would be posed to control lights, sockets, heating and power loads?

apartment from 95 sqm (with the forecast to be divided into two units)
if needed I can post the plan in dwg or pdf

 

[maxopus]

control is carried out by means of a unit that provides the electrical signal or in a timed manner, or following an input (your sms for example) or at the occurrence of certain pre-set conditions.
so if you want to check all the sockets and all the appliances and all the lights, you should expect a control unit next to the electrical panel from which the normal electric cables start.
You should expect additional cables for sensors (relevators of presence and things like that).

I think it would be enough to use a bit larger cable ducts.

 

[lattu]

ok thanks, as far as I understand, but every appliance must have its separate line or you can hold all the sockets together.

since I really don't understand anything we make a practical example:
we take only part of the apartment or the kitchen, the stay, the room and the bathroom. We put that I want to be able to control the oven loads, washing machine, micro and hairdryer, then I want to manage the temperature of the various rooms and be able to control the sockets on the ground. from the picture goes all in control (which is controlled by the monitor) and then from the control unit what comes out? a cable for each socket or the lines of the derivations? I need to understand how many pipes could go beyond gas and plumbing.

and if you want to divide by zones (night day and baths) can you do?

 

[Er Presidente]

ok thanks, as far as I understand, but every appliance must have its separate line or you can hold all the sockets together.

since I really don't understand anything we make a practical example:
we take only part of the apartment or the kitchen, the stay, the room and the bathroom. We put that I want to be able to control the oven loads, washing machine, micro and hairdryer, then I want to manage the temperature of the various rooms and be able to control the sockets on the ground. from the picture goes all in control (which is controlled by the monitor) and then from the control unit what comes out? a cable for each socket or the lines of the derivations? I need to understand how many pipes could go beyond gas and plumbing.

and if you want to divide by zones (night day and baths) can you do?

there are "slave" power stations decentralized in various areas (plans, rooms, zones) to which all "users" are connected (lights, sockets)
and "inputs" (changers, sensors, etc.) the various "area" control units are connected with the "master" via "network".
"slave" can be "intelligent" and have "local" or "stupid" inputs and all inputs go to the master who commands "passive" slaves.
Every brand uses its standards, often owners, and this is the limit.
theoretically they should "turn" less cables.
If the system is well designed you should have the "growth" cables that turn "in local" and only the network to dialogue between the power stations, then in practice the thing gets a little tangled. you have the beauty that you can schedule inputs at your liking (the same switch can do different things at different times).
decide the "system", choose bticino solid brands, gewiss etc. on their sites find all info, patterns examples etc.

if you have experience of anti-thefts, it is the same "pappa", all concentrated on one or more cnetraline and a console display for programming (also from pigs).

fun, but if you don't decide to create open standards, it'll be hard to see them really wide spread.

Hi.

 

[zeigs]

just to complete the explanation of the president: every user must arrive directly from one of the slave power stations scattered around the house, you can not have as in the traditional system that the cables of the drive force circuit simply turn around all the sockets. I speak in wires, canals can serve different light points as in a traditional system, but enough space is needed for all cables
separating day and night zone becomes immediate: each user is already separated from the others, just change the control logic

in theory you could think of a board for each fruit box with type 3 inputs and 3 outputs (the maximum possible configuration for a standard fruit box) and command it by signal on double. Afterwards it would be enough to make the round of all the sockets as for a traditional installation laying only the control cables. or even that if the convoked waves are used. But I don't think anyone's ever done it.