fire groups: machinery directive or not?

[pancinfu]

Hello, it is very much that I do not connect to the site, matters of force majeure (now I am in other sector ).
I'm colliding with the problem of putting fire groups together 12845.
Could you confirm that they are part of the new machine directive?
I would also like to understand how to leave for the res!
Thank you for your help and I'm starting to make my contribution to this fantastic site.

 

[gerod]

I also urge you not to continue the discussions if your question is not relevant!
I put in a new discussion.
the standard cited is not part of the machinery directive (it is not one of the harmonized standards, see http://eur-lex.europa.eu/johtml.do?uri=oj:c:2009:309:som:it:html)
fire groups if they are machines or almost machines fall within the machinery directive unless they are covered by the exclusions.
to standardize them means that they already exist or that you have to build them? in the first case you have to be careful because, if old, or fall in 98/37/ce or in Annex v of Legislative Decree 81/08 (modified by Legislative Decree 106/09); if new better design them according to 2006/42/ce.

I would also like to understand how to leave for the res!

What do you mean?
coem verify compliance with the res? Well, do the risk analysis and then evaluate if you comply with the res of the directive. If you have no dawn on the machine directive and how to perform risk analysis I recommend you to study a few books first.
starting from zero is risky.ciao

 

[pancinfu]

I sincerely apologized for the error but I didn't know how to fix it.
I apologize for the abuse and in the meantime thank you for the answer.

 

[gerod]

No problem but I expect a constructive discussion, like:
"Yes, fire systems are.... "
I mean, let's not just discuss the answers, but let's build the discussions.
Am I wrong?

 

[pancinfu]

Hello everyone, I hope to find others who are dealing with fire groups for fixed systems (type sprinkler).
In detail I am dealing with the standardization (ci marking) of fire pumping groups in compliance with the uni en 12845 and new machine directive, I refer to the latter because now at the doors.
I am not looking at the past of the company otherwise it becomes impossible and I prefer to work on the groups that will be realized later.
one of my first problems is how to draw up risk assessment, I would need very practical info since it is the first time I take care of res.
Thank you.

 

[gerod]

one of my first problems is how to draw up risk assessment, I would need very practical info since it is the first time I take care of res.
Thank you.

If you want to give me the assignment and I'll give you a hand.:biggrin:
I think a forum help is practically impossible.
As I told you an analysis of the risks done well requires years of experience and requires knowledge of technical standards and legislation.
How do you do a risk analysis?
studies well the iso 12100-1 and 2 and then the en iso 14121-1 as well as the 2006/42/ce.

I also ask you not to repeat the same questions (see forum rules)!
I asked you to be clearer but your answer is practically similar to the same question.
Thank you.

 

[pancinfu]

Thank you very much for the answer.
I must say that I certainly do not comfort and see that life is still complicated: eek:
I hope later to have the clearest ideas, maybe you would recommend some text that is less hermetic than the norms and guide me step by step in the process of marking with particular regurado to the ftc, res,mnu etc.:biggrin:

a thousand thanks again, with the opportunity I wish of good holidays

 

[gerod]

Well, the Machinery Directive
Hi.