future di prosteel

[ELCASTIGAMATT]

Good morning to all,
I wanted to ask for an info especially to those of you who use prosteel.
we bought this program about 1 and a half ago, we did the course but then as it happens often (for reasons that I am not explaining and certainly not for our will) was abandoned and never used again (even because after 1 year take it back in hand to use it was impossible since both me and my colleague did not remember us a good thing) continuing to use normal autocad i.e. 2d.
the point is that now he calls me the dealer of prosteel that I think is the only one in Italy telling me that they from the prox year will not sell prosteel as they decided to change program (from prosteel to advance steel) proposing to me the passage at a discounted price.
Does this mean that prosteel is a program destined to die? ? ?
have they made this proposal to you? ? ?
Is advance steel always on autocad base? ? ?

 

[gil]

prosteel was bought by a large company the software bentley in 2008. this has immediately released a version of prosteel with their brands, v8i, substantially identical to version 17.2 of the previous manufacturer. Then there's nothing left, and it's been three years!
so it spread the idea that bentley is not interested in software development. Italian dealer b&b, you have never signed a partnership contract with bentley continuing to sell version 17.2 until 2010. in this period he observed the moves of the new mother house and he felt that this stall will make the product not more competitive. therefore they have jumped into a very similar competitor software; advance steel.
logic is very similar, it is a plug-in always on autocad basis, but also has calculation programs.

the passage from one to another is not automatic, but the basic logic is the same. I can't give you judgements because, unfortunately, I don't use either.

You don't know what will end prosteel, but it seems to start at sunset.

 

[>Iceman<]

prosteel was bought by a large company the software bentley in 2008. this has immediately released a version of prosteel with their brands, v8i, substantially identical to version 17.2 of the previous manufacturer. Then there's nothing left, and it's been three years!
so it spread the idea that bentley is not interested in software development. Italian dealer b&b, you have never signed a partnership contract with bentley continuing to sell version 17.2 until 2010. in this period he observed the moves of the new mother house and he felt that this stall will make the product not more competitive. therefore they have jumped into a very similar competitor software; advance steel.
logic is very similar, it is a plug-in always on autocad basis, but also has calculation programs.

the passage from one to another is not automatic, but the basic logic is the same. I can't give you judgements because, unfortunately, I don't use either.

You don't know what will end prosteel, but it seems to start at sunset.

hi to all (here gil), I used prosteel for a long time now and I saw the evolution of the exact product as you say, but with small details: the transition version was 18.0 which was a great product, nothing to say, then the decline. I'm also convinced that the product is about to be dismantled. we with b&b are in excellent relations and, despite their efforts bentley was not at all a valid help as they thought.

Now we've been working for a couple of months with advance and we haven't had much trouble going through. the product is clearly superior (as mentioned in other discussions) and demonstrates it at every stage of the project.

prosteel = r.i.p.

 

[Franchi]

Good morning to all,
I wanted to ask for an info especially to those of you who use prosteel.
we bought this program about 1 and a half ago, we did the course but then as it happens often (for reasons that I am not explaining and certainly not for our will) was abandoned and never used again (even because after 1 year take it back in hand to use it was impossible since both me and my colleague did not remember us a good thing) continuing to use normal autocad i.e. 2d.
the point is that now he calls me the dealer of prosteel that I think is the only one in Italy telling me that they from the prox year will not sell prosteel as they decided to change program (from prosteel to advance steel) proposing to me the passage at a discounted price.
Does this mean that prosteel is a program destined to die? ? ?
have they made this proposal to you? ? ?
Is advance steel always on autocad base? ? ?

bye castigamatti

I do not think that prosteel is destined to die for the moment the fact is that the program has been purchased by bentley that probably will continue to distribute it and develop it (only the time can tell) and the Italian dealer of prosteel seems to have decided not to want to distribute it more and in fact now they are dealers of advance steel.
logically they will tell you that prosteel is a bowl that will disappear from the market. currency you want to spend more money to buy advance steel.

a similar move was made many years ago also by harpaceas that first distributed strucad (which is still sold in Italy) and then chose to pass to tekla.

 

[gil]

will continue to... develop it (only time can tell)

4 years are now without a new relay, without even talking about a new prosteel relay. I think the time is already talking, and I have no connection with the dealer or any interest whatsoever.

Consider that competition releases newer versions every 1/2 years.

 

[BIMchecker]

so it spread the idea that bentley is not interested in software development.

I'm sorry for my ignorance, but it doesn't seem like bentley has other software that does what prosteel does, so why abandon it?
If that's what it's like, they bought it to throw it in the trash, even if nowadays there's no surprise anymore, I think it's weird.

 

[Rudy65]

I'm sorry for my ignorance, but it doesn't seem like bentley has other software that does what prosteel does, so why abandon it?
If that's what it's like, they bought it to throw it in the trash, even if nowadays there's no surprise anymore, I think it's weird.

but what other software do you mean that it develops bentley who do what prosteel does?

 

[gil]

I don't know.
the company has a huge amount of software. in the sector, perhaps comparable only to autodesk. However, by dividing forces on such a wide range, historically they have always struggled to encourage the spread.

I don't think bentley has other software that does what prosteel does.

has another software in the same market segment, it is called prostructure http://www.bentley.com/en-us/products/prostructures/. He's got it from before prosteel and he's even more dead than the newcomer.

making a comparison is as if I bought a new bike, I pay stamp and insurance, then I close it for 2 years in the garage without pulling it out and now has stamp and insurance expired. What would you think?
Obviously this does not exclude that tomorrow I leave with that bike for the world tour, but what is more likely?

 

[matben70]

I don't know.
the company has a huge amount of software. in the sector, perhaps comparable only to autodesk. However, by dividing forces on such a wide range, historically they have always struggled to encourage the spread.



has another software in the same market segment, it is called prostructure http://www.bentley.com/en-us/products/prostructures/. He's got it from before prosteel and he's even more dead than the newcomer.

making a comparison is as if I bought a new bike, I pay stamp and insurance, then I close it for 2 years in the garage without pulling it out and now has stamp and insurance expired. What would you think?
Obviously this does not exclude that tomorrow I leave with that bike for the world tour, but what is more likely?

Maybe you don't know but prostructure is just prosteel called by bentley!!!! have decided to call the prostructure software because internally it can install both prosteel and proconcrete! ! ! !
change the name but not the substance! !

Hi.

 

[gil]

Man, you're right.
My mistake.

 

[BIMchecker]

Maybe you don't know but prostructure is just prosteel called by bentley!!!! have decided to call the prostructure software because internally it can install both prosteel and proconcrete! ! ! !
change the name but not the substance! !

Hi.

So if prosteel or prostructure is the only carpentry software sold by bentley I think it's unlikely that they decide to abandon it.
It would mean that their investment to buy prosteel was a failure.

 

[ELCASTIGAMATT]

Gentlemen, I am the author of this post.
I write to you to update on my situation (but this certainly will not interest you) and to ask for advice.
I thought the discussion had died there that once I left prosteel my boss had no intention of carrying out speech 3d.
Now instead it seems to be ready for a new investment telling me to do a research and see if it was not the case to choose some other software besides prosteel or advance steel that would do to our case.
I have attached an image of what we do to you.... (presed by an external study that does our same things with tekla) essentially we make torches or torchs sometimes stralled with ropes including stairs and circular walkways other times with support beams also with stairs and walkways.... then a mix of metal carpentry (say 80%) but with vertical piping with flanges and tubes.
If tekla does so according to you advance steel does all this or for piping it is not okay.... also accept tips on other programs that can do all this (bocad,strucad??? ? ? ? ).
thank you all and excuse me if I've stretched too long.
Bye.

 

[BIMchecker]

Gentlemen, I am the author of this post.
I write to you to update on my situation (but this certainly will not interest you) and to ask for advice.
I thought the discussion had died there that once I left prosteel my boss had no intention of carrying out speech 3d.
Now instead it seems to be ready for a new investment telling me to do a research and see if it was not the case to choose some other software besides prosteel or advance steel that would do to our case.
I have attached an image of what we do to you.... (presed by an external study that does our same things with tekla) essentially we make torches or torchs sometimes stralled with ropes including stairs and circular walkways other times with support beams also with stairs and walkways.... then a mix of metal carpentry (say 80%) but with vertical piping with flanges and tubes.
If tekla does so according to you advance steel does all this or for piping it is not okay.... also accept tips on other programs that can do all this (bocad,strucad??? ? ? ? ).
thank you all and excuse me if I've stretched too long.
Bye.

for strucad spared the analysis as it was bought from the trimble that already owns tekla and as already written in high post will not be developed and not even sold

for bocad you can search in the forum where you will find various posts.

my opinion on bocad is that you are a very valid program but substantial problems are given by the fact that there is no service in Italy and for the little I know (I saw it use in a study that collaborates with us) is not very user friendly, the interface is only partially translated into Italian and most manuals are only in English.

I am certainly aside because I have been using tekla for many years and for me it is very simple to use it, however I think at the moment it is the best on the market

 

[blind]

Hello!

the company whose work has purchased tekla for just under two months and for the moment we are satisfied both of the software and of the service.
our experience is still very short, the thing that I can tell you that we were initially a bit scared for learning and using a new program, fortunately we were wrong because as they say in many tekla is very intuitive and easy enough to learn, the course remains indispensable to know the philosophies of reasoning of the program.

If you want to read the choices that led us to tekla you find them here:http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?p=250546#post250546

 

[ELCASTIGAMATT]

Hello!

the company whose work has purchased tekla for just under two months and for the moment we are satisfied both of the software and of the service.
our experience is still very short, the thing that I can tell you that we were initially a bit scared for learning and using a new program, fortunately we were wrong because as they say in many tekla is very intuitive and easy enough to learn, the course remains indispensable to know the philosophies of reasoning of the program.

If you want to read the choices that led us to tekla you find them here:http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?p=250546#post250546

Hello blind,
from your profile I see that you also get from autocad (disegnavi in 2d I imagine) and I would like to know if you found it difficult with tekla.
we had chosen prosteel in time because we all came from the 2d autocad and it seemed to us that the passage would be less traumatic. How was that for you? ? ?
tekla is 100% compatible with autocad??? the fact is that we would not want to buy a program from 20000 euros and then discover that it is a mess to use it.
We do not plan stages, but complex structures, large but not huge.. .
What are you doing? ? ?
Thank you.
Bye.

 

[blind]

Hello blind,
from your profile I see that you also get from autocad (disegnavi in 2d I imagine) and I would like to know if you found it difficult with tekla.
we had chosen prosteel in time because we all came from the 2d autocad and it seemed to us that the passage would be less traumatic. How was that for you? ? ?
tekla is 100% compatible with autocad??? the fact is that we would not want to buy a program from 20000 euros and then discover that it is a mess to use it.
We do not plan stages, but complex structures, large but not huge.. .
What are you doing? ? ?
Thank you.
Bye.

bye castigamatti

At first we were a bit scared for learning but after doing the course (which turned out very useful) we started working without too much difficulty. In addition, the service service is very quick and precise (which does not spoil).

we are still newbies with tekla, however I can tell you that learning is fast, and in many operations philosophy is very similar to autocad (such as using snap, copy, move and rotation). the main difference is that you do not work with lines but with solids. Moreover it is possible to work both in 2d and 3d views according to preference and needs

in the "my" company we take care of various types, we go from large structures like furnaces for the production of glass to those more common as warehouses and piperack. with less frequency (a couple a year) we get viaducts and pedestrian walkways.

regarding compatibility with autocad we have only made tests however it is possible to import in tekla models a tide of formats (including dwg and dxf, 2d and 3d) and export the model of tekla in the same import formats. it is also possible to export the drawings in dwg and import a dwg in the drawings for what it serves us compatibility with autocad is complete.

to have a more complete and definitely more accurate picture than I can give you I recommend contacting harpaceas (which is the tekla retailer), references find them on their website www.harpaceas.it

 

[cheope]

Hello everyone

I'm new to the forum. I have seen so many interesting discussions about the various carpentry programs and since you seem very competent in this matter I wanted to ask you if you think it is worth replacing prosteel with advance steel as the seller proposed or if we should buy another software like tekla bocad or atri, since we will still have to learn a new program?

 

[blind]

Hello everyone

I'm new to the forum. I have seen so many interesting discussions about the various carpentry programs and since you seem very competent in this matter I wanted to ask you if you think it is worth replacing prosteel with advance steel as the seller proposed or if we should buy another software like tekla bocad or atri, since we will still have to learn a new program?

Bye-bye

sincerely on advance steel I have heard very discordant opinions for some is an unsurpassed program while for others it is a bowl, probably the truth lies in the middle.
my company after analyzing all the offers of the market has chosen tekla and sincerely for the moment we are finding ourselves very well (even if we use it just over 2 months).

currency as you are with the dealer, which budget you have, then decide whether to go to advance or if you want to take a new independent road from autocad.

 

[cheope]

Bye-bye

sincerely on advance steel I have heard very discordant opinions for some is an unsurpassed program while for others it is a bowl, probably the truth lies in the middle.
my company after analyzing all the offers of the market has chosen tekla and sincerely for the moment we are finding ourselves very well (even if we use it just over 2 months).

currency as you are with the dealer, which budget you have, then decide whether to go to advance or if you want to take a new independent road from autocad.

Thank you. Just one more question if I can. How is assistance? Are they competent? are there manuals in Italian?

 

[BIMchecker]

Thank you. Just one more question if I can. How is assistance? Are they competent? are there manuals in Italian?

Bye-bye

If you refer to tekla I can assure you that the assistance is excellent, the technicians are very prepared and always respond politely.
regarding tekla all the manuals are in Italian and of course also the whole program. If you want to see videos on tekla you can find a lot of videos on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/user/teklastructures?ob=0&feature=results_main