informazione cnc winplasma

[corsaro33]

Good morning,
I hope to be in the right section,

I wonder if someone knows the numerical control of the mandelli
the little known winplasma, I would also like to know
to great lines, its programming language.
since in a few months this cnc will not find me
Unprepared.
I am a programmer fanuc and e.c.s., as for hearsay
the winplasma has a programming that leaves smoothed. . .
Thank you.

 

[PopeYe]

Well, little known, not as much as the jaws are still around.
winplasma is nothing but the good old plasma interfaced with windows (naturally it is a later modification, at the time there was only dos)
Improved operation on programs (archives, editing, etc.) but programming is identical to before.
as programming resembles the ecs but better manages the parametric languages, for example you can name the variables in addition to the classic parameters, you can program on the terna axes independent from the work plane, and other things that greatly facilitate the programmer ... then it is not said that one must use for force all the potential of the cn.
If you have ecs programs you can replicate them almost identical on a plasma, of course you can't do the reverse.
One has to get used to the advanced languages then the rest comes from itself.
There is also a version of 'evolved' plasma, but there are few around because after a while the plasma died definitively together with the company, sin ... in the 1980s was n.1 .
the real problem of this cn is not programming but spare parts, cards, drives, etc... , new ones do not exist practically anymore, normally the exchanges are 'regenerated' and do not last so much, at least on our car.
Every now and then you're still in the box...

 

[corsaro33]

thanks popeye for the info,
Let's say you raised me a little bit about programming,
Now the doubt is on electronics!
who reverses the machine told us that installs new control, but probably
interfaced with the rest old.. .
will remain a point to be clarified.
if I can take advantage of your patience as you plan,
below place a part of program of the ecs,
would you be so kind to tell me if they're the same?
Thank you.
No
n1 ow1ox1oy1oz1 ----setta irigini n1----
n2 cly+pcxw -----compensation length on y and xw--------
No 5m06
#4 m03s54f600
n5 g00z0
#6 x-40w-26.9
n7 y-20
n8 g01x821.9w-26.9
n9 x821.9w101.9
n10 w101.9x-26.9
n11 x-26.9w-30
No.
_
_
n15 g00x-55w37.5
♪
No.
n20 g00y400m05m00
_
#22 m03s72f1500
n23 g00x-25w-20
n24 y
#25 g01x815w-20
#26 x815w95
n27 w95x-20
n28 x-20w-30
n29 g00y400m05m00
n29,1 x1500 w300
♪
n31 ow2ox2oz2oz2oy
n32 g91na4nb29 ---------block loops n4 to n29------------
n33 t25m06 (step to step)
n34 z0cfy
#35 m03s16f40
n36 g83g04r3e-85ra20d2 ------- interrupted drilling cycle----------------
n37 x97.5w36.5m07
#38 x297.5w
No.
No.
No. 43
n44 g00y300m05m00
n50 x1500 w300m02

 

[Meccbell]

Hi, I'll run.
cause direct experience :frown:, I give you a dispassionate advice: if you have to retrofit a scrapped machine all the ellettronic package (at most, if possible, keep the engines and encoders).
the government part of the cnc is the one that is replaced with more ease, but it is also the one that has fewer problems at fault level (now they are practically all of the re-carried pcs).
the real problems come with the power part and especially with the drives.

as popeye says, if the spare parts begin to become rare goods not only their cost rises exponentially, but the downtime machine increases in proportion, both for the frequency of faults and for the times of finding the parts to be replaced.

moral, the risk is that to save a few thousand euros today they turn out at least double in relatively little time, between direct cost of repairs and downtime machine.

 

[corsaro33]

Hello meccbell,
in the workshop we have for the major fanuc
with which we find ourselves very well (in fact of reliability),
as the machine in question is a regent 1500 jaws and is stocked
of optical lines of measurement,
we have explained that fanuc does not easily digest these systems unless
that you don't change everything.
It seems to me that the alternative to winplasm is the cn of siemens
but it should be interfaced with the old components.
However, everything is still to be defined, I will ask more specific questions
in this direction.
thanks for the precious advice.. .
to resent

 

[PopeYe]

As we returned from the holidays... here we are, the part-program should be done like this:

No
n10 o1xyzw ----setta irigini n1----
n20 g20 xwy -----compensation length on y and xw-------
No.
No. <rip=1> --- variable definition used for repetition---
#50 m03 s54 f600
n60 g0
n70 x-40 w-26.9
n80 y-20
n90 g01 x821.9 w-26.9
n100 x821.9 w101.9
n110 w101.9 x-26.9
n120 x-26.9 w-30
n.30 g00 y400 m05 m00
No 40 t14 m06
n150 m03 s50 f1250
n160 g00 x-55 w37.5
No 70 y0
#180 g01 x850 w37.5
n'90 g00 y400 m05 m00
No.
No.
n220 g00 x-25 w-20
n230 y-5
#240 g01 x815 w-20
n250 x815 w
n260 w95 x-20
n270 x-20 w-30
n280 g00 y400 m05 m00
No. <if(rip)9999,350,300> --- conditioned height used for repeatz.---
n300 x1500 w
#310 #3 #3 #3
n320 o2xyzw
No. <rip=0>No. <if(rip)9999,50,350> -------N50 to n280--------
n350 t25 m06 (step to step)
n360 z0
No.
No. <pp=97.5> <qp=36.5> <rp=20> <rr=3> <el=-85> <dr=2> <dw=0.2> <ra=20> ------- interrupted drilling cycle--------------
No. <pp=297.5>No. <pp=497.5 <pp="697.5" n410="">n420 g00 y300 m05 m09 m
#430 x1500 w300
440 m2

As you can see, the big difference you find to repeat parts of the program since you have to use the conditioned jumps, the language of the jumps is equal to that of the ecs 2300 and later, the gross rest always remains that.
for drilling you never use real axes but those 'flexible' p-q-r independent from the work plane.</pp=497.5></pp=297.5></ra=20></dw=0.2></dr=2></el=-85></rr=3></rp=20></qp=36.5></pp=97.5></if(rip)9999,50,350></rip=0></if(rip)9999,350,300></rip=1>

 

[corsaro33]

hello and thanks for the delucidations,
you are very similar,
what I just don't like are drilling cycles,
that I can hardly change the postprocessor of the cam without assistance!
thanks again and good return

 

[lo straniero]

As we returned from the holidays... here we are, the part-program should be done like this:

No
n10 o1xyzw ----setta irigini n1----
n20 g20 xwy -----compensation length on y and xw-------
No.
No. <rip=1> --- variable definition used for repetition---
#50 m03 s54 f600
n60 g0
n70 x-40 w-26.9
n80 y-20
n90 g01 x821.9 w-26.9
n100 x821.9 w101.9
n110 w101.9 x-26.9
n120 x-26.9 w-30
n.30 g00 y400 m05 m00
No 40 t14 m06
n150 m03 s50 f1250
n160 g00 x-55 w37.5
No 70 y0
#180 g01 x850 w37.5
n'90 g00 y400 m05 m00
No.
No.
n220 g00 x-25 w-20
n230 y-5
#240 g01 x815 w-20
n250 x815 w
n260 w95 x-20
n270 x-20 w-30
n280 g00 y400 m05 m00
No. <if(rip)9999,350,300> --- conditioned height used for repeatz.---
n300 x1500 w
#310 #3 #3 #3
n320 o2xyzw
No. <rip=0>No. <if(rip)9999,50,350> -------N50 to n280--------
n350 t25 m06 (step to step)
n360 z0
No.
No. <pp=97.5> <qp=36.5> <rp=20> <rr=3> <el=-85> <dr=2> <dw=0.2> <ra=20> ------- interrupted drilling cycle--------------
No. <pp=297.5>No. <pp=497.5 <pp="697.5" n410="">n420 g00 y300 m05 m09 m
#430 x1500 w300
440 m2

As you can see, the big difference you find to repeat parts of the program since you have to use the conditioned jumps, the language of the jumps is equal to that of the ecs 2300 and later, the gross rest always remains that.
for drilling you never use real axes but those 'flexible' p-q-r independent from the work plane.</pp=497.5></pp=297.5></ra=20></dw=0.2></dr=2></el=-85></rr=3></rp=20></qp=36.5></pp=97.5></if(rip)9999,50,350></rip=0></if(rip)9999,350,300></rip=1>

we have two tools working without refrigerant, with a cutting speed that scares.
add <rip=rip-1> in case <rip=8> , for example.
Wouldn't it be better to drill for 85 mm?
m00? should we check the piece after each workmanship?</rip=8></rip=rip-1>