management boards with generator frames

[GianniM]

Hi.
I tried to create a small metal structure, made with hea profiles, with the chassis generator. He came very well.

Now I would like to put on the table the details for an hypothetical workshop table, but the frame is all united!
I would like to put on the table for example the whistle with the base plate and ribs, as it must be welded.

How can I do that?

 

[Ilario]

Try to see This is what discussion, we talked about welded assemblies, but I had misunderstood and I also prlato of the chassis generator, maybe you can come back useful.

 

[GianniM]

I'll do some tests and further research, and then I'll tell you. Thank you.
However imagine, design a garage car all with the generator of frames. put that there are only 30 tubulars, assuming that I can keep all the text out of the frame axieme. turn off every time 29 pieces, and remake the process 30 times is a nice mad

 

[GianniM]

I found this solution.
opens the frame, select the part, then click with the dx mouse button.
from the menu you select "demote frame generetor component", at this point the portion of the deletion is inserted in a set or a soldered (on choice) while remaining inside the frame. the frame's fonts are maintained, but you can add clips, flanges etc.

at this point when I create the table you select the created part that is in the frame folder.

everything works very well.

 

[GianniM]

For what I would like to do, this problem remains here.
Imagine making a square frame, on each side I build a tubular with flanges and dishes equal to others.
I would like all 4 tubulars to have the same brand, for example “saved1”.

instead with the method I described in the previous post this is not possible. I will have 4 welded with 4 different names, but equal. so in an hypothetical executive board I have to change by hand by inserting only 1 of 4 and changing the quantity.

ideas?

 

[Tarkus]

I'm sorry, but for how you describe it, it seems to me that you have a frame made up of several pieces assembled for flange packaging.
If so, this is your element to create with the fg and then mount in another set with the classic assembly systems of inventor, so put in the table your element that you will call "Saved 1" etc...
If I understood correctly...

 

[GianniM]

Hello tarkus. You got it right.
I wanted to try this sitema recommended me in this posthttp://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?36978-use-di-parametric-considerations-onll%92uso/page3in order to avoid problems that arise in tight aces at the moment when changes are made. (see page 1 of the linked place). I still have to take my hand, I'm doing some tests, but I still have a lot of problems.

According to you the principle I use, to use the frame is wrong?

 

[Tarkus]

no, it is not wrong, only that I tend to draw as much as possible to the reality, that is if your frame is composed of "sub-frames" (discussed neologism), drawing with the fg only these and then I assemble everything in a general set, perhaps, to have under control the general aspect, I do all the sketches in a single file, so that I interest all possible "sub-frames.
so also solve the problem of the table.. .

 

[Catafratto]

For what I would like to do, this problem remains here.
Imagine making a square frame, on each side I build a tubular with flanges and dishes equal to others.
I would like all 4 tubulars to have the same brand, for example “saved1”.

instead with the method I described in the previous post this is not possible. I will have 4 welded with 4 different names, but equal. so in an hypothetical executive board I have to change by hand by inserting only 1 of 4 and changing the quantity.

ideas?

to have grouped your frames remember that the number of parts (the one on which groupings normally take place, in fact) can be "tranquillously" (the apostrophes in the sense that if you make manual changes you must be sure of what you do) modified by hand: open your subaxis, change what you need (number of parts, description, title etc.) and then in the distinte will appear 4 equal pieces instead of 4 different. but if then your square frame becomes rectangular your pieces will no longer be equal even if at the distinct level they will always be grouped, then eye.
as to the q.tàs in the table except automatisms pushed you must always pass for a manual setting. There was a discussion about it but I don't remember where, search for the forum...
Bye!

 

[GianniM]

Thanks to all for the tips, I'm testing.
I take advantage of it for another question, I hope not to go too far off.

I design my usual metal frame, passing through parts and welded and then I create everything by binding the welded in the axieme. therefore in this case I do not use the generator of frames (fg).
the mounts are all equal, in fact they are all repetitions of the same welded.
the structure is fully assembled, but then I decide that 2 mounts need changes.
change the welded means change all the mounts. What am I supposed to do?

I put the columns to change, create a new welded and insert it? a shorter road that allows to start from those already inserted exists?

 

[Tarkus]

If you make changes to two mounts, it means that they are no longer equal to others.
Therefore to logic rigor they will have to have a different part number and a different table, to replace them, if the changes you go to make do not concern the connecting flanges, you just use the "replace component". .

 

[GianniM]

thanks for the suggestions. I'm trying, but how much time you have to devote...