meeting demand and job victim for designer cad

[Chiara Morale]

Bye to all,

I've been enrolled in this forum as I'm dealing with human resources and I've been looking for a cad 2d/3d designer for almost a month with a minimal experience in tanks or pressure devices but without success.

can you tell me if there is a special site where you can find work questions by cad designers looking for work or free professionals in order to contact them? (excluding linkedin).

thanks in advance.
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[numero1]

on this forum there is this section:http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/forums/29-ricerca-di-lavoroThere are many people who have published their own work research there.
I don't know at this moment... but you really can't find a designer cad2d/3d to drill and surroundings?

 

[Fulvio Romano]

ipotizzo...the difficulty is not in finding professionalism, but taking them away with the budget available. . .

 

[haga78]

ipotizzo...the difficulty is not in finding professionalism, but taking them away with the budget available. . .

:finger:

Perhaps the available budget would be enough and would advance, but it is necessary to have the will to use it

 

[marcof]

ipotizzo...the difficulty is not in finding professionalism, but taking them away with the budget available. . .

"to think badly we sin, but often we guess"

 

[Fulvio Romano]

"to think badly we sin, but often we guess"

I am currently living, and for some time, exactly this problem.
I am the right person at the right time, a high professionalism, a charismatic person and a strong character.
Thanks for compliments, but... so?

 

[numero1]

I was also the right person at the right time, a high professionalism, maybe not so charismatic, but very decided.
thanks for the compliments, but...... The rest is, as you say, history.
:36_1_14:

 

[New Rider]

ipotizzo...the difficulty is not in finding professionalism, but taking them away with the budget available. . .

... confirmed by someone who worked in the human resources sector... .

 

[panpao]

hi if you still have trouble finding a designer, I suggest you try to use me remotely. I can send you any resume.
Bye-bye soon

Bye to all,

I've been enrolled in this forum as I'm dealing with human resources and I've been looking for a cad 2d/3d designer for almost a month with a minimal experience in tanks or pressure devices but without success.

can you tell me if there is a special site where you can find work questions by cad designers looking for work or free professionals in order to contact them? (excluding linkedin).

thanks in advance.
clear

 

[PierArg]

how not to quote lightning,

think that he recently contacted me a professional study looking for a "experienced engineer of at least 5/7 years" and he was willing, heard, to do so immediately indefinite time!
I lay a pitiful veil on the retribuzinoe, about 40% less than my present. If you realize I don't earn much, you'll understand the hunger salary... .lower adjustment of my first job as an absolute graduate employee.

but according to you, with mortgage on your shoulders, do I leave a job indefinitely for a certain one?
but above all, do you not realize to make a figure of shit and discredit the company by proposing a ridiculous salary?

do you want experience, expertise and professionalism?then be willing to pay the right.

p.s: lately, when they call me guys like this, I sell them on the phone mercilessly.

Of course, I want to point out that I have nothing against the opener of the moral clear discussion. It's just my personal rash.

 

[gil]

because now we are offtopic.
Italy produces mainly low technology, and second choice products, where there is a lot of competition and little added value. companies are in trouble, for competition from other nations and therefore cut the costs they can cut; or those at work.

we can also pull it, affirming the injustice of “low” salaries, but the world and Italy turn like this.

once many people had near houses companies of a certain prestige.
today, with globalization, if you are an excellent technician, go to work in countries like: use, Australian or German.
if you are a good technician go to the center - northern Europe (eg: france, belgium).
If you're poor, or you don't want to or can't leave Italy, you'll get a low pay.

Of course there are also exceptions in Italy, but they are very few. and it is obvious that being in a transition period, those who have worked 10 years ago, do not perceive what just said.

 

[stefanobruno]

I would like to recall what branded a few years ago, then he realized the gaffe made, never said it again but a few traces remained. ( http://www.sbilanciamoci.info/archivio/lavoro/fiat-i-costi-e-i-conti-che-non-tornano-7413 )
he said that the cost of the employee in itself was 8% of the entire business cost, clear that it does not apply to all realities, but makes it reflect.
It also makes me think and piss off something my brother told me, who works in sipra, the advertising dealership of the rai.
I am a technician who believes to do not "good" his work but very well, in these years of crisis they charge me with work as never and literally do 10-12-15 hours every day to please everyone, and I stress content, I do not do it by ingordigy.
I and my associates struggle to get 32/33 euri/hours, so many in the company where my brother works, they give the most egalfo of programmers who, according to him, do not even know what they are doing.

 

[gil]

the cost of the employee in itself was 8% of the entire business cost

the percentage varies according to the sector and the reality. I agree that it is not the main cost of a company, but it is one of the few that companies can decide.

My associates and I have a hard time popping up... as many as in the company where my brother works, give the most hustle

the pay varies very much according to the sector, to the place and a thousand factors. But certainly another Italian problem is that we do not know how to distinguish a job done well by an evil fact. We don't know how to value both. I also see people with higher pay than the quality of the work done and vice versa. in a normal situation the second would change work, but today, often, there are no alternatives.

 

[Lettore espatriato]

Good evening, everyone.
I hope I don't irritate anyone and I can honestly be of help.
no, I do not know any specific site, apart from cad3d, where there may be technicians doing job search listings. a part linkedin (that, for example, in the graveyard is used a lot and where they are also inserted, to large lines, the wages previewed to avoid unnecessary losses of time from both sides), could put an insertion of jobrapido job offer, where, often the technicians seek with keywords like cad or designer or tanks or similar. I am not aware whether the listings on that portal are or not paid. I hope not.
Good evening.

 

[PierArg]

because now we are offtopic.
Italy produces mainly low technology, and second choice products, where there is a lot of competition and little added value. companies are in trouble, for competition from other nations and therefore cut the costs they can cut; or those at work.

we can also pull it, affirming the injustice of “low” salaries, but the world and Italy turn like this.

once many people had near houses companies of a certain prestige.
today, with globalization, if you are an excellent technician, go to work in countries like: use, Australian or German.
if you are a good technician go to the center - northern Europe (eg: france, belgium).
If you're poor, or you don't want to or can't leave Italy, you'll get a low pay.

Of course there are also exceptions in Italy, but they are very few. and it is obvious that being in a transition period, those who have worked 10 years ago, do not perceive what just said.

Hey, gil,

I'm almost always in agreement with your posts but this time I think differently:wink:

First of all, I can tell you that it's not like they're big tops.
If you are able to speak with technicians from manufacturing/metalmechanical companies, I can assure you that they are not really big luminaries.
I personally think that the Chinese and American technicians are more "wives".

So in the first place I would put germany and Scandinavian countries

regarding the discourse of the type of products in part agree: in Italy the technological level of the products is lowering more and more and if you go down to a low level you can not even dream of competing with cina and india.
Among other things the wool, in technology, has far exceeded Italy.

another reason, that if you play it on equal merit with what just written above, is that in Italy everyone goes to university and no one stops after schools specializing in a "mestiere" (as happens in germany and Scandinavian countries).
I saw sheep graduating even with high grades, people I wouldn't bet on even 1 cent who graduated.
people who went to the exam studying one subject praying to arrive at 15....manco at 18!! !

Still these people are the kind of category that gives them 1200€/month indefinitely and are happy to fill excel tables throughout the day because, in the end, they found america!

no ambition, no desire to improve their skills.

the cultural level has been radically lowered. and this forum is a significant sample.
the engineers of now have a much lower preparation than a expert of 20/15 years ago (you can also take this forum as a reference... aside from some exceptions, the most prepared are "non" engineers. make us case).
the experts of now instead come out from the schools that do not know a bat (see for example the questions in the section "students").

the only positive thing is that if a person is able to exploit this situation and succeeds in proposing it could easily emerge from the "mass" with minimal effort.

 

[stefanobruno]

I personally think that the Chinese and American technicians are more "wives".

the most greedy bradipe I have ever known was a Chinese who works in America.

So in the first place I would put germany and Scandinavian countries

On average germany makes more money than anything, from here we consider them monsters, in fact they are only very organized, too.
we, with our inventive ability, could eat them in a mouthful.

Among other things the wool, in technology, has far exceeded Italy.

Yes, maybe in the search, for the rest, let's lose.

the cultural level has been radically lowered. and this forum is a significant sample.
the engineers of now have a much lower preparation than a expert of 20/15 years ago (you can also take this forum as a reference... aside from some exceptions, the most prepared are "non" engineers. make us case).
the experts of now instead come out from the schools that do not know a bat (see for example the questions in the section "students").

the only positive thing is that if a person is able to exploit this situation and succeeds in proposing it could easily emerge from the "mass" with minimal effort.

and then wonder if those few who seek staff can't find him.

:36_1_4::4425:

 

[PierArg]

Hello stefano,
I'm "resolved" that you think like me, too.

I have several friends in the hr sector and they all tell me that they can't find good designers/ engineers/ experts/technicians. to use their words, they are literally "disperated" because they do not find them.

Things are two:

- look for people with a certain knowledge actually difficult to find (and here we fall into my post)

- once the figure is found, they offer too little to push it/motivate it to change.

 

[stefanobruno]

Things are two:

- look for people with a certain knowledge actually difficult to find (and here we fall into my post)

- once the figure is found, they offer too little to push it/motivate it to change.

an ing. with which I worked, specialist in metal structures, young, smart, autonomous, able to use various calculation programs, in Italy worked for at least two years with semi-annual contracts in a well-known Finmeccanica company.
an unrenewed contract has been found a place from free prof. to 14 ( fourteen! ) euri at the time, to calculate and sign industrial structures, a shame.
dozens of questions in Italy without an answer, now it is in France, just beyond the border, where you send your skills, they answer you all and then they hire you.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

[...]he said that the cost of the employee in itself was 8% of the entire business cost, clear that it does not apply to all realities, but makes it reflect.[...]

[...]I agree that it is not the main cost of a company, but it is one of the few that companies can decide.

Well, it depends. .
If you do industrial production will be 8%, if you do oreficeria will be 2%, if you are an engineering firm will be 80%. . .

 

[Antonio Chiapponi]

in full!!!!!
especially for the use that are super... bietoloni...

if then we hook up to the opening speech attention ... in Europe do not take into account the earthquakes while here it is mandatory and therefore we are definitely better.
and returning to the opening post ... knowledge of the calculation codes en13445 (which replaced the old vsr), asme viii and bpe, api650, knowledge of the food, petrochemical and pharmaceutical world can suffice to draft a complete ped report besides the qualitative evaluation with methods nd on welds ... and 53 years ...? ? ?
at the last interview after this parade of codes and features the 24-year-old neolaureata in psychology that made the hr in regime of free profession (you get the info that concerned you after 3 minutes I was in front of you ... only that the interview I had to do it and not you ...) had already lost me. at the end of my dissertation asks me if I knew what the pressure vessels were ... (gasp) ... here is the problem in Italy ... a psychologist is interviewing you that is attentive to how gestures because he knows the language of the body (but also I thanks to hp courses) and evaluates them. and in front of her seated beautiful ritto with her hands fingered one against the other without making any gesture and beating eyelashes ... and this that went mad to expect a sign of life from a mummified.