mold design training

[Andrea Martinelli]

Hello, everyone!
I have been working for years to set injection presses and everything that concerns the production department (sampling etc.).
I would like to start a training path to design molds;
I heard that the most used program is "nx", does anyone know if there are specific courses?

 

[TETRASTORE]

this society holds specific courses on nx; try asking for dates and methods.

 

[Andrea Martinelli]

this society holds specific courses on nx; try asking for dates and methods.

Thank you so much!!

 

[TECNOMODEL]

Hello, everyone!
I have been working for years to set injection presses and everything that concerns the production department (sampling etc.).
I would like to start a training path to design molds;
I heard that the most used program is "nx", does anyone know if there are specific courses?

If your intent is to become a mold designer I wouldn't focus on software but on the technology behind the molding.
a good designer is not the one who knows how to better use a certain software but what he knows where to place the injection point, knows how to dimension a conditioning circuit, knows how to "invent" movements of trolleys, third plates etc, knows how to model an injection system.
It is also necessary to know the rheology of materials, the various types of polymers and their characteristics etc.
Last but not least, it is necessary to draft a project that meets the needs of the customer, to recommend changes to the piece to print that could simplify the mold or even make the mold cheaper or qualitatively better.
Once you have acquired this baggage, the software that you will use will be indifferent, even because you learn to use one others follow all the same logic, you only need that little time to become familiar with the different commands, the position of the same etc.

 

[Andrea Martinelli]

Good morning.
Thank you very much for the answer and advice.
for more than 10 years work in the molding industry, sampling, cycle optimization etc.
something I can say I have learned, but you know better than me that it is a constantly evolving sector, especially on polymers.
I would like to join my experience, which is not yet finished, to design.
in order to better finalize the mold-production and in more "short" times propose solutions to molding problems.
to do this I must first have good basics on design and above all, (which is very difficult unfortunately), find a reality that has a much more "open" vision of the molding world.
I will certainly keep in delivery his advice but as specified the setting of the press I know him quite well.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

Good morning.
Thank you very much for the answer and advice.
for more than 10 years work in the molding industry, sampling, cycle optimization etc.
something I can say I have learned, but you know better than me that it is a constantly evolving sector, especially on polymers.
I would like to join my experience, which is not yet finished, to design.
in order to better finalize the mold-production and in more "short" times propose solutions to molding problems.
to do this I must first have good basics on design and above all, (which is very difficult unfortunately), find a reality that has a much more "open" vision of the molding world.
I will certainly keep in delivery his advice but as specified the setting of the press I know him quite well.

Forgive me, but the setting of the press is a very marginal knowledge for a designer.
banal example, would you be able to define the thicknesses of the nerves of a piece?
or evaluate its geometry? define the necessary reform? three simple things a designer must know, without entering into other aspects, much more complex.

 

[Andrea Martinelli]

Forgive me, but the setting of the press is a very marginal knowledge for a designer.
banal example, would you be able to define the thicknesses of the nerves of a piece?
or evaluate its geometry? define the necessary reform? three simple things a designer must know, without entering into other aspects, much more complex.

I don't understand whether your intent is to create a debate on professional baggage or whether you really answer my question (nx contests).
However, as you are specifying, certain notions are acquired with a training well different from my current (secting injection presses);
for this, as asked previously, I would like to begin, or at least understand, if there are courses on my request.
It is assumed that having a piece of paper or attested that it is, would not make me a complete designer, it would be only a starting point with which to start a flank, then to join my current and future experience to respond to a market, (the stamp), always more demanding and sometimes superficial.
I thank you for your advice and questions about my initial question and I hope I have clarified, very humblely, what are my expectations, which go beyond my "banal" request on training courses.
Have a good day.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

I don't understand whether your intent is to create a debate on professional baggage or whether you really answer my question (nx contests).
However, as you are specifying, certain notions are acquired with a training well different from my current (secting injection presses);
for this, as asked previously, I would like to begin, or at least understand, if there are courses on my request.
It is assumed that having a piece of paper or attested that it is, would not make me a complete designer, it would be only a starting point with which to start a flank, then to join my current and future experience to respond to a market, (the stamp), always more demanding and sometimes superficial.
I thank you for your advice and questions about my initial question and I hope I have clarified, very humblely, what are my expectations, which go beyond my "banal" request on training courses.
Have a good day.

What I wanted to pass into my first post, I repeat, is that at this point in your career, in the perspective of the goals you put, I would invest to increase my knowledge in the design of molds, rather than for any cad.
as I said once learned a cad follow all the same logic, in a couple of weeks in which you have to take familiarity with the position of the various commands you are already operating also changing cad.
If I were to assume I would prefer a person who has no familiarity with my cad but knows how to design rather than a person who is a phenomenon in the use of cad but does not know what is the best point to place the injection.
If however your request does not accept views and suggestions that go outside the simple question I recommend you to change the title to the discussion and move it to the nx section, in that way you will get the answer you are looking for.

 

[Fabietto]

Bye.
Since you already have an idea of what shape the molds have, from the names of the parts that make them, and you will probably have seen them even from disassembled, I recommend you first to start reading books and dispenses on the web.
I can recommend the book "the manual of the molder".
It certainly does not teach you to design, but it makes you understand on paper the functioning of certain things you have seen applied to the molds.
specific courses on the design of molds I do not know of.

if you want to learn how to use specific software, then do any course organized by the software houses that produce them.

in my view, the true designer of molds, would not even need cad to design a mold, just a plant, 2-3 sections, tecnigraph and pencil.
all the rest is 3d modeling and table setting. .

 

[Andrea Martinelli]

What I wanted to pass into my first post, I repeat, is that at this point in your career, in the perspective of the goals you put, I would invest to increase my knowledge in the design of molds, rather than for any cad.
as I said once learned a cad follow all the same logic, in a couple of weeks in which you have to take familiarity with the position of the various commands you are already operating also changing cad.
If I were to assume I would prefer a person who has no familiarity with my cad but knows how to design rather than a person who is a phenomenon in the use of cad but does not know what is the best point to place the injection.
If however your request does not accept views and suggestions that go outside the simple question I recommend you to change the title to the discussion and move it to the nx section, in that way you will get the answer you are looking for.

If I were to assume I would prefer a person who has no familiarity with my cad but knows how to design rather than a person who is a phenomenon in the use of cad but does not know what is the best point to place the injection.
If however your request does not accept views and suggestions that go outside the simple question I recommend you to change the title to the discussion and move it to the nx section, in that way you will get the answer you are looking for.

now it is clear to me its point of view and I thank you for the "keying ".
So, according to you, how should I behave, or better, what kind of path should I start?
5 axles cutters?
banker?
his observation does not bend, but unfortunately to start a new path I need a certificate that allows me to say "something I can do".
It is bad to say but as much as I like my sector and I have ambitions, reality willing to "appear" their dreams are very few!
after several years in the molding, having made me some experience, has grown also the salary;
Now I should start from scratch on the design, so also economically.
for this to merge my experience and add that new one could be, in part, a good starting point without backing too much!

 

[Andrea Martinelli]

Bye.
Since you already have an idea of what shape the molds have, from the names of the parts that make them, and you will probably have seen them even from disassembled, I recommend you first to start reading books and dispenses on the web.
I can recommend the book "the manual of the molder".
It certainly does not teach you to design, but it makes you understand on paper the functioning of certain things you have seen applied to the molds.
specific courses on the design of molds I do not know of.

if you want to learn how to use specific software, then do any course organized by the software houses that produce them.

in my view, the true designer of molds, would not even need cad to design a mold, just a plant, 2-3 sections, tecnigraph and pencil.
all the rest is 3d modeling and table setting. .

thanks for the fabietto answer!
If you have names of books that can help me write me as well!

 

[TECNOMODEL]

now it is clear to me its point of view and I thank you for the "keying ".
So, according to you, how should I behave, or better, what kind of path should I start?
5 axles cutters?
banker?
his observation does not bend, but unfortunately to start a new path I need a certificate that allows me to say "something I can do".
It is bad to say but as much as I like my sector and I have ambitions, reality willing to "appear" their dreams are very few!
after several years in the molding, having made me some experience, has grown also the salary;
Now I should start from scratch on the design, so also economically.
for this to merge my experience and add that new one could be, in part, a good starting point without backing too much!

Unfortunately, if you want to switch to the design, you will have to give up at least initially to something at an economic level. and it will not even be easy to find a company that gives you confidence, unfortunately in Italy the selection always remains anchored to the previous experiences, at least for middle and senior profiles, we say.
I did such a path but coming from the tooling of molds, however I had the luck to work in a company that had formed me and then I could spend some certificates, in addition to the experience.
If you want to spend "better" your experience you could try the way of the process technologist, in which your molding experience would have a much greater weight.
However, it depends on the production fabric of the area where you live/work, figures of the genus are usually present in quite large and still structured companies.

 

[Fabietto]

I already wrote you in the previous message the book I recommend. then on the net there is much more material.
if you want to address the speech courses on thermoplastic materials and their equipment, look for cesap or proplast.

 

[Andrea Martinelli]

Unfortunately, if you want to switch to the design, you will have to give up at least initially to something at an economic level. and it will not even be easy to find a company that gives you confidence, unfortunately in Italy the selection always remains anchored to the previous experiences, at least for middle and senior profiles, we say.
I did such a path but coming from the tooling of molds, however I had the luck to work in a company that had formed me and then I could spend some certificates, in addition to the experience.
If you want to spend "better" your experience you could try the way of the process technologist, in which your molding experience would have a much greater weight.
However, it depends on the production fabric of the area where you live/work, figures of the genus are usually present in quite large and still structured companies.

ah look, let alone the technologist "discourse"; there are those who define themselves as such and do not know the difference between a semi-crystalline or amorphous.
the old school is very in contrast with the new (we have always done so).the figure of technologist very few realities have it.
here in Brescia there are so many prints, but in my opinion, too many fill the mold and few print seriously.
regressing economically would not be a big problem, it always depends on the other side that comes into account there is at the educational level, but as you say, it is not easy to find who gives a weight to the desire to learn and grow professionally;
Meanwhile I thank you for the advice and apologize if I misunderstand your comments, at least at the beginning;

 

[Vittorio]

Bye-bye

from your profile I see that you are already a nx user, so its potential more or less you know them.

I share the thought of @face, to design a mold does not need to know how to model, but the tecnigraph has now become a support plan.

the best software does not exist, everyone is able to do the negative of an object to print with limits proportional to complexity.

Perhaps some cads are more complete for certain standard parts already set, but if you become a designer in a company that works for many foundries/printers, you will realize that the standard does not exist and everyone wants the different.

nx, catia and other blasons have specific modules and if you decide to deepen nx they will make you do courses using their specific module.

from catia user I can tell you that, while having the license of the mold module, I never managed to use it because too slender and therefore not practical to make a mold different from 4 standard plates.

I know nx users and I create and history is identical.

summing up:

deepen what you already know, I don't want to turn your enthusiasm off, but don't let a software make you a mold designer.

parts already advantaged because you are experienced in the setting of presses and your experience can facilitate you in learning, but what you need is patience and passion.

books are fine, search the internet.
I found one-- This is

 

[Andrea Martinelli]

Bye-bye

from your profile I see that you are already a nx user, so its potential more or less you know them.

I share the thought of @face, to design a mold does not need to know how to model, but the tecnigraph has now become a support plan.

the best software does not exist, everyone is able to do the negative of an object to print with limits proportional to complexity.

Perhaps some cads are more complete for certain standard parts already set, but if you become a designer in a company that works for many foundries/printers, you will realize that the standard does not exist and everyone wants the different.

nx, catia and other blasons have specific modules and if you decide to deepen nx they will make you do courses using their specific module.

from catia user I can tell you that, while having the license of the mold module, I never managed to use it because too slender and therefore not practical to make a mold different from 4 standard plates.

I know nx users and I create and history is identical.

summing up:

deepen what you already know, I don't want to turn your enthusiasm off, but don't let a software make you a mold designer.

parts already advantaged because you are experienced in the setting of presses and your experience can facilitate you in learning, but what you need is patience and passion.

books are fine, search the internet.
I found one-- This is

Thank you very much for the victorious advice!

 

[Andrea1990]

I have worked for a relatively short period for a third-party company that produces injection moulds for the thermoplastic industry.
is an important supplier for the railway group, but also works for safilo, luxottica and others.
It is thought that the third party physically produces only the mold, instead I can say that in this reality actively collaborated both to improve an existing project, and to create from scratch a mold based on the model sent by the customer, and to create new technologies (eg. ad hoc cooling circuits to break down cycle times).
In the first place, I think school technical training is necessary, from the expert to the engineer. from basic things, how to know how to make a drawing according to regulations, to know physically what are the cents of millimeter, to advanced knowledge like technological properties of materials etc.
are things that you learn at school, that no one teaches you because if you offer yourself as a designer you should know and that everyone requires as an associate.
secondly as they have already told you the software is optional, the logic they work with at the end is equal for everyone. If I were you I would start in step, the first is to draw molds, take familiarity with the cad, see the mold as a whole, you reason. subsequently consolidated these bases and having a know-how you will aim to make the design.
generally medium-small companies are more dynamic environments, you can see more aspects and touch them with hand, so you learn more, and quickly. large firms are well then in the career to specialize.

 

[Andrea1990]

edit: the designer in your case must know the production process, know how to transform an idea into a project that can be realized then the cad, know the technological aspects and there needs experience. the first step you did, you miss two, start with the first, designer and then see how it evolves. Consider that switching from production to technical office has its pros and cons, you have to try to see if you like.
It is not a pessimistic speech, everything is said about what I would do, with some considerations I would take into account.

 

[Andrea Martinelli]

edit: the designer in your case must know the production process, know how to transform an idea into a project that can be realized then the cad, know the technological aspects and there needs experience. the first step you did, you miss two, start with the first, designer and then see how it evolves. Consider that switching from production to technical office has its pros and cons, you have to try to see if you like.
It is not a pessimistic speech, everything is said about what I would do, with some considerations I would take into account.

thanks really for your considerations gorea!