new machinery regulation

[Fulvio Romano]

Good morning to all,
Since no one opens this thread, I open it. is already in effect, although for three years we can continue with 2006/42/ce.
For the rest? All clear? no doubt?

 

[gerod]

Hi.
was published.
is in force but will be applied from 20 January 2027.
until 19 January 2027 will apply 2006/42/ce, then will be repealed.
so today the 2006/42/ce applies or until 19/01/27 the (ue) 2023/1230 cannot be applied. but, if I think of designing a complex machine that will be delivered after 20/01/2027 will be the case of thinking already of the new regulation.
It's clear to me.

 

[meccanicamg]

I have not yet looked specifically....but is it like the usual words change or is there any substance that changes?

 

[gerod]

I would say that they will change things, especially for the part related to computer security and self-evolutionary systems.
there is a lot of new stuff on these aspects and who realizes software will have to ensure security, traceability of changes, etc.
on the mechanical part changes little.
actors also change, or if they add new ones, just to align themselves with the "new approach".
Hi.

 

[meccanicamg]

I would say that they will change things, especially for the part related to computer security and self-evolutionary systems.
there is a lot of new stuff on these aspects and who realizes software will have to ensure security, traceability of changes, etc.
on the mechanical part changes little.
actors also change, or if they add new ones, just to align themselves with the "new approach".
Hi.

thanks gerod for the light and essential sun.

 

[DrBarde]

I have just taken a course in which the rapporteur has given us a detailed mention of this.
it reported that mechanically changes very little, it changes a lot to the software level also has added a series of novelties, such as the management of 3d radars and barriers, which in order to be defined safe require additional security than now. (for example, detection of man in the dangerous working area with systems that detect attributes such as heartbeat).

 

[gerod]

the management of 3d radars and barriers, which in order to be defined safer require additional security than now. (for example, detection of man in the dangerous working area with systems that detect attributes such as heartbeat).

I do not think that the regulation speaks of this (it is likely that the product standards will talk about these aspects). the question is that if a safety component uses or consists of self-evolutionary systems, then they must follow a particular one (see Annex i, part a) of certification that is not foreseen today.
for classical optoelectronic barriers will not change much.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

many months ago I had read that it would finally be clarified the question of the "destination of use" for almost machines. but reading the final text does not change practically anything. the usual known will continue to supply complete machines properly said that however they do not have the input roller and therefore declare them almost machines.

 

[gerod]

they have not clarified it but have put at least two firm points:
1) if a machine is deprived only of the software then it is a machine and not an almost machine (a robot with pliers but not programmed is a machine and not an almost machine as it is now)
2) res applicable to almost machine must be met. Today you could say that you did not comply with the res even if applicable. Basically, if an almost machine has no fixed shelter but you could have put it, you say you didn't get the res on the shelters. with the regulation this would be a nc.

I agree with you that the almost machine question has changed but it is little stuff.
Hi.

 

[pagnotz]

Hi.
was published.
is in force but will be applied from 20 January 2027.
until 19 January 2027 will apply 2006/42/ce, then will be repealed.
so today the 2006/42/ce applies or until 19/01/27 the (ue) 2023/1230 cannot be applied. but, if I think of designing a complex machine that will be delivered after 20/01/2027 will be the case of thinking already of the new regulation.
It's clear to me.

to me it turns out slightly different (maybe I'm wrong), that is that you can apply the 2023/1230 already from now (also on a machine marketed before 2027) but it is optional, a free choice; from 2027 instead it becomes mandatory.
I also have certification software for certification and for a few months it allows to choose for any project if to apply machine directive or ue regulation.

 

[gerod]

Article 51
repeal
....
2. Directive 2006/42/ce shall be repealed on 20 January 2027.

Article 54
entry into force and application
This Regulation shall enter into force on the twentieth day following its publication in the Official Journal of the European Union.
it applies from 20 January 2027.

It seems to me quite obvious that until 19 January 2027 the directive applies, then the regulation.
It is obvious that if you have to design a plant that you think you will enter into the market after 20 January 2027 you will have to design it according to the regulation.
the Regulation entered into force and some articles are already applied or will be applied during 2024 (Article 54).

 

[gerod]

On the question of the declaration of conformity according to the Regulation or Directive, yesterday at a conference the issue of the declaration was discussed in accordance with the regulation or not before 20/01/27. you can also make the statement according to the regulation but it is one more: you must however comply with the res of 2006/42/ce and mark according to 2006/42/ce.
if you want to go further, you can do it but the obligation is for 2006/42/ce.

 

[volaff]

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