pdm - experiences

[ballino]

Bye to all,
I remember well the post a few months ago on the pdm but I wanted to resume the topic for larger license groups (10 licenses and 20 consultation stations between assistance, assembly, commercial) maybe succeeding to set type server, i.e., networks and configuration.

"the reason is that I am called (!) to give some straight; from my last personal experience it has been years and the offer of time was very different from today (for s.o. axial dimension, interaction work groups, various bugs).

It is a group of licenses that should migrate from a generic document manager (!) to a very performing pdm with sw.

problems arise here. the machines are complex ( 10-15000 components). to today those who work there can not even load the assemblies because of the hardware ( xp 32, server, network, antivirus....) and do everything to pieces.

"I stop my nose when I go near it... make smile but it's so..."

I would like an opinion related to the experience of those who work daily without asking for substantial personalizations (games of var but pains of end users).

the curiosity of the post is also linked to what I read about the new s.o. that allow you to load files at higher speeds. but "the badger" what does it say?

Good day
dancer

 

[Mike1967]

Bye to all,
I remember well the post a few months ago on the pdm but I wanted to resume the topic for larger license groups (10 licenses and 20 consultation stations between assistance, assembly, commercial) maybe succeeding to set type server, i.e., networks and configuration.

"the reason is that I am called (!) to give some straight; from my last personal experience it has been years and the offer of time was very different from today (for s.o. axial dimension, interaction work groups, various bugs).

It is a group of licenses that should migrate from a generic document manager (!) to a very performing pdm with sw.

problems arise here. the machines are complex ( 10-15000 components). to today those who work there can not even load the assemblies because of the hardware ( xp 32, server, network, antivirus....) and do everything to pieces.

"I stop my nose when I go near it... make smile but it's so..."

I would like an opinion related to the experience of those who work daily without asking for substantial personalizations (games of var but pains of end users).

the curiosity of the post is also linked to what I read about the new s.o. that allow you to load files at higher speeds. but "the badger" what does it say?

Good day
dancer

I am also interested in feedback... who already uses it.

 

[re_solidworks]

I use ready2works of readysolutions, I think it can turn out to be a great tool for your business reality. You better ask for a demo directly to them. care that if you want to work decently it is however necessary to equip yourself with adequate hardware and network, regardless of pdm.
this pdm is cut for small/medium company, it is practically ready to use and contains several utilities for solidworks.

I refer you to this discussion http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=17056, give us an eye and you will already find some indication.

in that discussion did not talk about pdmworks enterprise, I felt that once sett works well, but it does not have the functions of ready2works and ribs more both purchase and implementation.

 

[ballino]

I use ready2works of readysolutions, I think it can turn out to be a great tool for your business reality. You better ask for a demo directly to them. care that if you want to work decently it is however necessary to equip yourself with adequate hardware and network, regardless of pdm.
this pdm is cut for small/medium company, it is practically ready to use and contains several utilities for solidworks.

I refer you to this discussion http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=17056, give us an eye and you will already find some indication.

in that discussion did not talk about pdmworks enterprise, I felt that once sett works well, but it does not have the functions of ready2works and ribs more both purchase and implementation.

Hello, King.
I meant this discussion when I opened the present.
we start from your current and past experiences.
Are the machines you produce by number of components similar to those I indicated?

Let's try from the hardware.
so "tot giga" to be cached or other (as in the ready2works case) packs the network?

design an ad hoc network between servers (one indexing and other content) and workstations?

with the servers/networks you think it would be possible to work as I sketched?

years ago (as I said ) you could choose little (smarcenter, dbcenter) but also sw was a product with limits known in size of assemblies and details. it was a choice linked to the complexity of the individual product and the rest shred the server among the users. now the assemblies are tremendously full of everything (obviously) and the cads improving ask for more information (by size and number)

which servers and network are mounted?

 

[re_solidworks]

we design third-party accounts, mine is a service firm. We design everything and we've managed much bigger assemblies than you indicated.
you don't need an extreme network, we say that a good gigabit wired as you must, with a good switch is enough and advances.
needs a network drive on which to centralize drawings, it could be a server partition, as well as a good level nas and a sql server engine (also the express version can go well) on which to run the database.
There is no need to index anything and therefore you do not need the dedicated server you said. need good workstations, but these must be calibrated on your product, 10-15000 components are a data, but how are these components? Here the pdm doesn't matter, if you have to load and manage a certain set you need the car to do it.
the network has never packed me, we are in 4, but I know of much bigger realities that use ready for years successfully. You need less hardware than you were thinking.
I am finding myself well with the readynas pro business of netgear, if you can spend + better.
I recommend a nas that, like this, have double network card gigabit with load balancing and failover. In this way you have redundancy and look at the band of the two cards at the same time, otherwise if you can afford the fiber....better.
this nas is linux based, but the interface is great, supports + of 100 users and in particular cases with win7pro I saw a gigabit network work even at 100% (a file of over 1 giga transferred in a few seconds). careful because not all nas linux based work well with swx.

ready use since 2004, but is present at least since 2002 on the market, because already in that period I saw a demo.

As I told you at first, I think this product is indicated for you, but only a targeted demo on your issues will give you the answers you are looking for.

I add a note, a little ot, but useful at the general level in this discussion. a cad 3d if used without pdm makes in half. the great amount of files that you go to produce and the anagraphic management of the generated models are a slaughter if managed without a valid tool that keeps track of what has been done, of the father-son relationships to the hymn of a set. no cad3d has a valid pdm tool integrated into the "base" package.

who gives himself a good pdm manages to work in a more orderly way, to better control the work of the design, to generate with extreme ease all the necessary lists during the process of a project, to correctly manage the revisions (a great problem by hand!!!).
It also instantly passes data to the corporate management by obtaining excellent cost control without the use of labor. There are many advantages and with the hindsight, I must say I would never give up the pdm. a cad fine to itself seems to me a monk instrument and I remember the problems of managing the large amount of files by hand, especially when working in teams or with external collaborators.

 

[ballino]

Hello, King.
You've been able to actually hit the core of the problem.
I take a few tips to answer, to raise the discussion and fix the stakes (as mike wanted).

demo:
on the demo (live ) it does not rain and as feces in its time will be tested on the field to equal projects (to be recovered and to be made accessible with the proposed pdm).

structure pdm
the structure of the network is the one that concerned me most:
clear and flattered requirements are the beginning of a good job.[alla presentazione della 2010 mi è stato proposto lo schema pdmworks e dbworks; entrambi avevano un server per indicizzare e uno o più per deposito in linea generale. in funzione delle dimensioni le combinazioni erano varie. nel mio scrivere ho riportato solo un accostamento a quanto già conoscevo. ben vengano altre soluzioni]

software / hardware minino pdm
* sql server express
* gigabit
* server (se linux verificare compatibilità con swx)
se rete gigabit almeno due schede per load balancing e failover
* switch ( vietati gli hub)

workstation software/hardware minimo
* uso ancora la 2009 con soddisfazione
* 64bit ( must per i miei assiemi) [* il sistema operativo è un terno all'8?????]* fast machine ( quad core) but high frequencies
* ram 4 gb
* certified by sw (so I have a less scratch)[uso una WS della fujitsu-siemens che non si è mai imballata una volta seguendo il detto vai piano e vai lontano ma era l'entry level delle CPU]structure projects[i progetti esistenti ( e la loro evoluzione) sono realizzati da cani ( è un'analisi non uno sfogo).
es. un assieme contiene parti e sotto assiemi ancora aperti ( anche se ormai consolidati) che si richiamano senza fine. E' il limite del gestore documentale attuale e dell'assistenza (mal usata) che è stata spenta per risparmiare...]various assemblies recall commercial parts for large scale assemblies

assemblings with weldment parts
the introduction of the environment allowed me the leap (my choice) but the management over 800 bodies is Moroccan (already outside the pdm, deactivating update of the cut list and various tricks)

opening to out-sourcing
As already happened the opening to external studies is customary. I have forced myself to eliminate the dead times in the passages of the documentation (maybe opening external utilities of the pdm) and always offend real studies on which to continue.

What do you say?

Good day,
dancer

 

[re_solidworks]

If you ask for this and require clear explanations for everything you should not take chants. for external studies keep in mind that it is good if they also equip themselves with the same pdm you will acquire. Otherwise you'll find yourself having to "work" a bit for the files that will come to you. Even if all pdms eat everything I recommend you take the opportunity to force your technicians and those outside to work according to your rules. files named pippo, bracket, frame, etc... They must not exist, but a well-structured corporate encoding should be elaborated and this should "descriptor law" and also oblige the most disordered to work neatly.
I think so, someone else told me that it's too rigid and can't work, but I've been fine and it's been 6 years now so I'd say that if there were any problems at this hour I'd already be immersed in my neck!

I add: You could ask to see a reality that already owns the pdm for a long time to understand how it actually works on a regimen also catching the opinion of the technicians who use it. I, long ago, lent myself to my dealer for something like this (precisely it is not my job and I am not a demonstrator or a commercial) and who saw it working from me was well impressed.
you should give yourself + confidence, because you eliminate the doubts of the "demotion tricks" and the result is a demo from another customer of your dealer that allows you to have an even + complete overview.
I don't know if they do, you have to have the availability of your customers and it's not always easy, but it would be great (for you).