plan to draw in 3d refractory coatings, does it exist?

[raf]

can someone recommend me a program to design, possibly in 3d, refractory coatings (bricks, panels, mattresses, bulk fiber, blocks...) for process plants?
now everything is done with autocad, by hand, in a truly prehistoric way.
I would like to clearly revolutionize this but for now I have not succeeded, I tried with inventor but this program is absolutely not suitable for purpose.
I wonder if there's someone all over the world who does my same job in 3d, for now I think I'm not.

 

[gerod]

for me any 3d can go well.
I don't see much difficulty and I don't understand why inventor can't do it!
I don't use inventor but I designed refractories with solid edge. They're just stupid solids!

 

[raf]

Hey!
You make it easy for you, you probably designed refractories for a fireplace!
jokes aside, my work is extremely complex, not drawings in itself, which are of very stupid solids, but we have dozens of different types of materials, hard and soft, in the form of mats, bricks, blocks, bulk fiber, then there are all various types of anchors, all will have to adapt to the most different surfaces, be shaped and cut in countless different ways and especially, in the end, count several thousand pieces. .
In short, drawing everything piece by piece would take me months, but this could also stand there, since with autocad I'm not much faster, the problem is the size of my group that I think is unmanageable even from the most powerful of workstations.. .

It's hard to explain what I have to draw, I hope I've been at least a clear minimum.

 

[numero1]

the main problem of inv is that it tends to pack if the axieme is beyond a certain limit or is very dispersive.
It's very much that I don't use it but if you do a motor, the pipes on the machine, a clock is ok, in case of something + big of an ahia crane... I hope they have upgraded it in the last versions.
As for refractory bricks I can confirm it's a mess, because I'm a mess.
I've never done it personally, but I know who does it, uses autocad, and gets out of my mind.
If you learn about a sw, write it to me.
a question: do you have large industrial furnaces?
Hi.

 

[raf]

I deal with the internal refractory coating of the furnaces, consisting of bricks, fiber blocks, fiber mattresses and bulk fiber. hard and soft parts, absurd to draw with a program as an inventor.
carpentry is not my job but since it comes in 2d I have to put holy patience and do it in 3d, but this is the least, loss of time apart, you can do it and I have already done it.
The madness is to cover it internally.
You ask me for a program to do that? but if I'm here crying because I don't know how and with what to do my drawings?! :frown:

 

[numero1]

in fact large furnaces I have gotten rid of.
I don't ask you for me, but for the person I know and do like you, and they're making a lake furious to cry, I'm sorry you're not advised, but if you find him say thank you and hello.

 

[matteo calzaferri]

Bye.

yesterday at the autodesk digital prototiping a yacht manufacturer presented a configurator based on autodesk showcase.

Based on cad models and a large product library, the configurator assembles the yacht and allows you a realistic vision before realisation.
as you have many details of different types you should orientate yourself, according to me on a similar road. create something that, once you make the whole library, allows you to choose and configure every time the pieces you want.

I heard a quick talk yesterday about showcase and I don't know any other program, you could inform yourself and see if you could do it.

 

[sail]

I would do something like that in pro/e using the series generation commands. if you put even a screenshot of what is the final product maybe I can understand better.

the rishio is that they have to be stacked only one by each line... but it could already be an improvement to hand them as now. . .

 

[fab69]

mah, if I have not understood bad, it is things that with powercopy functions and repetition of entities many cad 3d (catia, swx, pro-e, nx...) manage fairly smoothly. idem for managing numerous codes in large assemblies.. .
try to post some examples, which we see if you are not underestimating the theme, knowing it too little...

 

[numero1]

Bye.

yesterday at the autodesk digital prototiping a yacht manufacturer presented a configurator based on autodesk showcase.

Based on cad models and a large product library, the configurator assembles the yacht and allows you a realistic vision before realisation.
as you have many details of different types you should orientate yourself, according to me on a similar road. create something that, once you make the whole library, allows you to choose and configure every time the pieces you want.

I heard a quick talk yesterday about showcase and I don't know any other program, you could inform yourself and see if you could do it.

I don't think it can work, I also designed yachts in its time so I know a little about the problems of the same and I see them very different from those of the furnaces.
Still trying does not harm.
Hi.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

Bye.

yesterday at the autodesk digital prototiping a yacht manufacturer presented a configurator based on autodesk showcase.

Based on cad models and a large product library, the configurator assembles the yacht and allows you a realistic vision before realisation.
as you have many details of different types you should orientate yourself, according to me on a similar road. create something that, once you make the whole library, allows you to choose and configure every time the pieces you want.

I heard a quick talk yesterday about showcase and I don't know any other program, you could inform yourself and see if you could do it.

I don't think it can work, I also designed yachts in its time so I know a little about the problems of the same and I see them very different from those of the furnaces.
Still trying does not harm.
Hi.

I wanted to say, then I bit my tongue...

I believe that what is reported by socks functions like this:
when designing a yacht I can have various scenarios, for example:

- sofa version in the cockpit
- sport fishing version
- flying bridge version
- flying bridge version without top guide
- version bedrooms "classic"
- version bedrooms "style"
- "sport" saloon version
- version "cruise"

etc. .
Many versions are independent, for example I can want a sport version, with flying bridge guide, but with the cruise salon.
then I model all the versions, incasellando each in a format. when I have to make the brochure for a customer who orders a certain customization, point the versions, and launch the render and/or the construction orders.

little bit to cut out soft pieces to make refractories.. .

 

[raf]

Thank you all for your concern.
I apologize for the delay in posting but I'm so caught up with the thing I forget about asking questions here on the forum!
I have made progress, even though I am far from holding something concrete.
I put two pictures to make you understand where I came with inventor.
in the first you see a wall of an oven, of course there are two for each cell, plus the two finals, the floor and the ceiling, then each furnace can have n cells but usually are identical or specular so this is not a problem. the carpentry is a derivative part therefore counts 1, all the rest is designed realistically, serializing at most. as you see I already have 36045 anniversary and my pc is already at the limit... the fiber blocks are still missing, to be mounted one on every free nap you see, image 2. in the second picture you also see the anchors behind the bricks.
to manage the whole I leaned on a wall sketch and I made several subaxis (picture 3), later assembled in the final axieme, so I can work pretty well because I manage relatively few parts at a time and I have a very precise and light assembly because I need two constraints to fix each part (use the axles, not the faces).
This is all just an experiment, I don't know if it's the right way to do this kind of work, but for now it's the only thing I managed to do.. .
the biggest problems I have encountered are, in addition to the management of drawings with so many recurrences (obviable, I think and hope, with the arrival of a more performing pc), the material count, everything that should not be cut not by problems, everything that needs to be cut si, from a 100 long brick I get maybe two from 50, inventor therefore counts me two bricks, but in reality I use only one! I don't know how to handle it. . .

 

[GD1907]

Can I ask you if you have worked with companies in the field of cement production?
My company does this kind of plant, at the moment we use swx and I know that many of our suppliers also use this program.

 

[raf]

is swx for? solidworks?
I personally know only inventor, unfortunately or fortunately.. .
What is your company doing?
I have never worked in the field of cement production.

 

[GD1907]

is swx for? solidworks?
I personally know only inventor, unfortunately or fortunately.. .
What is your company doing?
I have never worked in the field of cement production.

si solidworks; as I wrote we make concrete production plants, some departments are very similar to those you work with.
However this is a refractory coating, but it is made by another office, in my system is made in general, less in detail.

 

[fab69]

a company of my parts makes furnaces for metal tempering, I know they used swx but they had difficulties with the many refractories and other details, they went to cocreate and they found themselves better on that aspect, although not on everything in general, indeed being attached to the parametric they have regretted some functions... You can't have everything in life! ;-)
It's the only similar experience I've seen, so I don't know if you make a big statistic. . .

 

[raf]

everything is statistical!
I don't know this cocreate and I'm increasingly aware that there are a tide of 3d software, just how to find the right one for my needs, it's a nice dilemma.. .
gd1907 we should get a little deeper, huh?
in the image you post I see in the top of the shaped refractory bricks anchored through appropriate metal anchors at the extremes, see well?
But I see you don't cut bricks.. .

 

[GD1907]

everything is statistical!
I don't know this cocreate and I'm increasingly aware that there are a tide of 3d software, just how to find the right one for my needs, it's a nice dilemma.. .
gd1907 we should get a little deeper, huh?
in the image you post I see in the top of the shaped refractory bricks anchored through appropriate metal anchors at the extremes, see well?
But I see you don't cut bricks.. .

You see, but as I wrote I didn't do it, it's a job of another office, maybe incomplete, I don't know much about refractories.
still remain available...ihih

 

[matteo calzaferri]

I wanted to say, then I bit my tongue...

I believe that what is reported by socks functions like this:
when designing a yacht I can have various scenarios, for example:

- sofa version in the cockpit
- sport fishing version
- flying bridge version
- flying bridge version without top guide
- version bedrooms "classic"
- version bedrooms "style"
- "sport" saloon version
- version "cruise"

etc. .
Many versions are independent, for example I can want a sport version, with flying bridge guide, but with the cruise salon.
then I model all the versions, incasellando each in a format. when I have to make the brochure for a customer who orders a certain customization, point the versions, and launch the render and/or the construction orders.

little bit to cut out soft pieces to make refractories.. .

Yeah. I have noticed that the method I proposed does not work. .