preventive procedure house of new construction

[poina]

Hi.
I should make a maximum quote for a friend of a new villa

-120mq first floor + 120 garage-taverna and other local accessories

I thought I'd proceed like this:

divide the quote so as to have the various differences under the categories:

-calculating the cost of construction (I still have to inform myself, on average 1200€/mq by making the hypothesis class a and one class b)

-calculating external costs to my skills: geological study, relief, reinforced concretes, ace as a designer, safety coordinator, catasto

-calculating the costs of cotrution, and urbanization

-calculating my skills: project from preliminary to executive, dl

in this way the client can forget the voice dedicated to me and make a comparison with the estimates of other studies.
I would like to know whether this procedure is sensible or if I have to change it.
in the above list I probably have forgotten some rumors for the rush.

 

[poina]

No rabbit? Is that so wrong?

 

[gil]

Hi.
your method is theoretically correct.
in practice, however, it is very difficult to quantify each material and processing and to prepare it properly.

Sometimes you prefer to refer to building stardard costs. or in recent years I have built 3 similar or assimilar buildings, which cost about x.
therefore taking into account differences and inflation this will cost about y.
then inside the total price you can see the main items of your interest.

Unfortunately, with the current method of construction, an exact estimate of the individual parts is extremely difficult. you can give an indicative cost, but the variability is high, counting each small part can be useless.
for example how much do the floor tiles cost? are there of all the prices and to the customer you do say “his molgie/architect chose the wrong tiles”? so, despite you also counted the seeds of the grass to plant in the garden, your overall estimate sketches up of 5'000 euros.

or you have foreseen the use of 1000kg iron, in the period before construction the price of iron rises by 20%. What are you doing?

for these reasons the price and indicative comunuqe and sum the individual items can still be unproductive.

 

[poina]

in fact I wanted to take a price per square meter (one for the class a and one for the b) and from this get the others, burdens and skills of the professionals.

-stimate 1100/1200€ for class b and 1600/1700€ for class to be corrected?
(locality lombardia high lake garda) land owned by the client

 

[gfrank]

No rabbit? Is that so wrong?

the quote for your customer is a maximum cost of everything (as you have listed) or to determine only your performance?

In the first case, it is a cost assessment (which is already professional performance) with the limitations that said gil, the procedure is correct (and that you should be paid anyway).
in the second case, where the customer requests the costs of your professional performance, (preventive) in the quote indicates only the cost of such performance, which at the limit you can detail:
- technical performance for project + variants + practical construction
- technical performance for calculation of urbanization costs and urbanization costs
- technical performance for energy (l10 - plants - ace)
- technical performance for ca, testing, etc.
- technical performance for catasto
- etc., etc.
excluding those entrusted to other professionals
in this second case, do not provide the customer with any additional charges other than your performance estimate, unless it is available to pay you the first case performance (maximum cost assessment)

 

[poina]

I then ask a last question, since it would be my first self-employment, where I can take the bills, on the site of the orders of the architects, if you want to give me some guidance on your parcels are well accepted
Thank you.

 

[gfrank]

in fact I wanted to take a price per square meter (one for the class a and one for the b) and from this get the others, burdens and skills of the professionals.

-stimate 1100/1200€ for class b and 1600/1700€ for class to be corrected?
(locality lombardia high lake garda) land owned by the client

are excessive, they are to be reduced by at least 20%.

 

[gfrank]

I then ask a last question, since it would be my first self-employment, where I can take the bills, on the site of the orders of the architects, if you want to give me some guidance on your parcels are well accepted
Thank you.

you can take the cost of the work as a reference parameter, and calculate the professional performance according to the rate (which I remember was abolished). on the web there are free programs, or ask the order of your province
later, according to the type and quantity of the performance you will be entrusted to you, consider a discount that varies from a minimum of 20/30% to the maximum 50/60%, so that you become competitive on the market

 

[poina]

I tried to enter the data in the honorary software, calculating 1200€/sqm for the ground floor (120mq) and 600€/mq for the basement (120 sq m, basement. etc.

Total 216,000€

- 143/49
-class ig

I selected permission to build that automatically selected
- maximum design
-preventive summary
-executiveproject

to these I added:
-preventive detailed
-constructive parts
-chapters and contracts
-direction of work
- testing assistance

the parcel is approximately 14.000€
calculating that the yard is close to the studio, with the 30% discount you get on 9000€, according to you is an honest price?

remain outside c.a., geologist, ace, testing, charges, relief

 

[poina]

I just saw a quote for the same project, always a geometra boy I know.
same voices of my + psc + relief + catasto= 7'600€, almost half of my to which I had to add psc (2500 I will try to lower it) + catasto (1500€) and relief (500€)

 

[gil]

I didn't follow the full place, but basically you tell me that a geometra pays 7'500 euros (lordi) to make all the technical part of a house, calculations of the included in? How much is left to the poor geometra? I'm sorry.

I have little practice, but I guess 3'000, 4'000 ling will want them. 4'000 euros remain, on which you have to pay the taxes, or you will remain 2'500 euros.
if you have to keep an open study between rent and expenses you play at least half. 1'300 euros remain.

I make a flat calculation of working hours
80 hours to design, deposit and start the construction site
140 working hours (2 hours per week for 70 weeks)

total 220 hours, or less than 6 euros per hour?

all without considering unexpected, possible insurance etc..
Tell me I've been wrong somewhere!:frown:

 

[poina]

no from 7000€ remain outside c.a. geologist, ace, l10 and practice special protection area

 

[aladinoedile]

Good evening.
you could contact me on this number . thanks
aladin
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Hi.
I should make a maximum quote for a friend of a new villa

-120mq first floor + 120 garage-taverna and other local accessories

I thought I'd proceed like this:

divide the quote so as to have the various differences under the categories:

-calculating the cost of construction (I still have to inform myself, on average 1200€/mq by making the hypothesis class a and one class b)

-calculating external costs to my skills: geological study, relief, reinforced concretes, ace as a designer, safety coordinator, catasto

-calculating the costs of cotrution, and urbanization

-calculating my skills: project from preliminary to executive, dl

in this way the client can forget the voice dedicated to me and make a comparison with the estimates of other studies.
I would like to know whether this procedure is sensible or if I have to change it.
in the above list I probably have forgotten some rumors for the rush.