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profession of designer cad non designer is right to be?

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Does a good designer 2d or 3d also have to know how to design or his skill should be to model well projects from architects/engineers?

does the risk that he is claimed to make design calculations before working on the design or is considered to be useless paper-pc copying machine?
 
a designer must know how to decide and choose the best solutions that include: constructive feasibility, production costs, assembly optimization and spare parts, availability of materials for the construction of details, mechanical and physical calculations of components and more; Moreover it must know how to draw and decide everything regarding the definition of construction design.
a designer must know how to use the cad available, so know how to model in the 3d or use the commands in the 2d, and how to perform the constructive design with all the necessary information and their implications. all he knows more (see designer) is only for his knowledge.
the designer must interface with the designer to understand how to make the design according to its function; vice versa the designer does not need to interface with the designer

otherwise there would not exist two distinct figures with distinct wages
 
I thought I answered.
the designer hired as such it is not necessary to know how to design. This does not mean that it only has to copy from paper to pc. It can well be called to extrapolate details from a layout (in which calculations and sizes have already been made) of project by completing with missing data (smuses, punctures. . . )
However, the designer serves to make executive drawings while the designer is dedicated to design.
Consider that a project can require hundreds of drawings ranging from simple spacer (10 min running) to structure with dozens of sections (2/3 days running), it serves to make distinct materials for the commercial, the drawings of the assembly complexes and various and possible requiring the internal organization. all this cannot be done by designers who otherwise should abandon other projects.
 
profession of designer cad non designer is right to be?
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within a design process there are many stages. to think that a single person can know them all is pure utopia. Therefore the general designer, while taking charge of the verification of resistances is well supported by specialists for the verification and drawings of the details.

These specialists are usually called “drawers” because they do not take charge of static verification.
However, they usually evaluate all those things which are called massive and sometimes even control calculations and improved proposals.
make sense because, for example in my field, the building industry, it is unthinkable that an engineer/architect can design everything in detail. because this would require skills that only a specialist can have.
Therefore, the “disegnators” do not have the 3rd grade, but are at least graduates or sometimes graduates too.

In some cases a purely design work may be required, usually happens for the first working experiences before the necessary skills are provided. and in any case under the supervision of a technician prepared.
 
and so much for massive curiosity, of what should the two wages average among them...?:biggrin:
 
I have no idea.
I don't know what a designer takes.
but I think everything is rough about the design definition.
I mean it like, using a reductive term, tampering. certainly the designer is not a simple chain amanuense, but he must have technical knowledge that does not limit himself to the norms of the design and should know how to carry out the production processes in the workshop, dimension the bolts, know solutions for the assembly of mechanical organs and detail the most common details for his field of competence (eg if I make a walkway next to a machine I need to know where to put reinforcements or how to build a safe handrail).
but in my opinion it is not necessary to know how to dimension and make specific calculations that remain the responsibility of the designer: For example, choose the type and size of a motor, decide the type of gears or bearings, choose the most convenient solutions for certain applications, a maximum rating of profiles to be used for certain structures. . .
 
MassiVonWeizen said:
I have no idea.
I don't know what a designer takes.
but I think everything is rough about the design definition.
I mean it like, using a reductive term, tampering. certainly the designer is not a simple chain amanuense, but he must have technical knowledge that does not limit himself to the norms of the design and should know how to carry out the production processes in the workshop, dimension the bolts, know solutions for the assembly of mechanical organs and detail the most common details for his field of competence (eg if I make a walkway next to a machine I need to know where to put reinforcements or how to build a safe handrail).
but in my opinion it is not necessary to know how to dimension and make specific calculations that remain the responsibility of the designer: For example, choose the type and size of a motor, decide the type of gears or bearings, choose the most convenient solutions for certain applications, a maximum rating of profiles to be used for certain structures. . .
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I agree with you, and anyway the two roles must walk together parallelly.
I know some designers who come to 50 euro now, then if deserved or not I don't know... the average starts from 30 however, I still think that a designer should not take less than 20 - 25 euros now. .
 
those are free professional fees. I have always been an employee and if I had taken 20€ per hour now I would have a villa at Portofino
 
MassiVonWeizen said:
those are free professional fees. I have always been an employee and if I had taken 20€ per hour now I would have a villa at Portofino
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Surely those are rates for those who do the free profession. .
but did you honestly think you'd sin yourself?
 

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