professional skills of engineer

[SOLID]

Hello everyone,
I address myself to you professional free engineers, but also not, to ask if there are laws that attribute, exclusively or partly, skills or activities specific to the professional figure of the engineer?

I can begin by saying that all that can do is established by Article 46 paragraph 1 of dpr 32 2001 in which the activities covered by the profession are established:
"for the industrial engineering industry": planning, design, development, direction of work, esteem, testing, management, environmental impact assessment of machines, industrial plants, plants for production, transformation and distribution of energy, industrial and technological systems and processes, apparatuses and tools for diagnostics and medical and surgical therapy;"
but the exclusivity is not sanctioned. . .

 

[gil]

It seems to me that you refer in particular to the mechanical sector.
Now I do not know well but I do not believe the laura is indispensable in this field, or rather, and well appreciated by the companies but this does not take away that you can design a blender even with the 5th grade.
However it is not my field, so to avoid stretching into inaccuracies I leave to others the discussion

 

[gerod]

I want to understand your question better.
you want to know if there is a closed set in which to say (with some laws): You engineer just do this!
in practice the inscription to the atbo allows you to do certain things. then if you are civil/edile you still have lines to respect.
for mechanics/industrial things are different but if there are no laws there are norms and who can interpret the norms? I say anyone, but, take the standards of calculation of cranes, for example, which are derived from eurocodes. Could a non-experienced science and construction understand them in no time?
limits, if not given by laws, are given by ethics, experience, etc.
exclusivity does not exist in those fields because it has always been so and will not change until the class that governs them will change.
Of course, if you sign up, you're responsible, so you need to know what you sign.
Here the law is very clear!

 

[SOLID]

It seems to me that you refer in particular to the mechanical sector.

Yes, I was referring in particular to the industrial engineering sector.

I want to understand your question better.
you want to know if there is a closed set in which to say (with some laws): You engineer just do this!

more than anything else I would like to understand if there are laws that explicitly indicate that a particular activity can be carried out exclusively by an engineer enrolled at the beginning (always for the industrial sector of course).
Other example as happens for the civil sector where structural calculations can only be carried out by engineers\architects enrolled in their respective albi.
Is there any law in this regard regarding the industrial sector?
I know... testing plants, certifications of something, designing pressure tanks, but that only one person enrolled in the atbo can do? (to widen the legislative field I would also include the experts)

as regards the machinery directive, the manufacturer or agent are the subjects chosen by law...
as regards electrical, thermal, elevator and industrial engineers and industrial experts can operate because it is the law that imposes it. even if then d.m. 37 2008 allows technical managers (who can be both engineers, but also not pupils, drafting and signing projects, of course within certain limits (which however include 98% of the market)).

limits, if not given by laws, are given by ethics, experience, etc.
...
Of course, if you sign up, you're responsible, so you need to know what you sign.

I agree perfectly!

 

[gerod]

In mechanics there are no laws that say you must be an engineer to make calculations. Sure is that if they ask you to do the calculations and sign (often happens) you must be enrolled in some order.
there are no particular laws on testing.
on the ped is the same, i.e. the calculation must be made by enabled person.
You have to evaluate case by case and you will see that there are limits.

as regards the machinery directive, the manufacturer or agent are the subjects chosen by law...

is not the law that prescinds, the law defines but anyone can be manufacturer while the mandator must be indicated by the manufacturer.

 

[SOLID]

on the ped is the same, i.e. the calculation must be made by enabled person.
You have to evaluate case by case and you will see that there are limits.

gerod, thank you for the answer.
Could you give me legislative references?

 

[gerod]

google + ped and find the world of pressure.
Usually the technical file must be composed also of calculation report and those who verify it (third party) requires professional qualification.

 

[gil]

designed in spite of all the laws in construction, projects are realized by a 20 of engineers, a wide dose of architects and the right splash of geomtri. the results are sometimes bad, robe that are not even standing and are modified in operation praying "we hope you do not arrive an earthquake to verify this junk".

 

[gerod]

other sector, other rules.
I also see 3 pages calculation reports for so much money. I usually, in my reports, on the first pages I write calculation hypotheses, then the rest comes.
depends on who does the job, there is professional and professional! sin that ethics is one and often not followed .. and some poor misfortune then goes through it!