red moon

[Exatem]

above all, but also bits, cubes, battalions. . .
however half of the terms you said are related to square sail armo... You put me in trouble.
I also learned something else... I was convinced that the lover was a fixed maneuver... But it seems that when there is, do the job of the apple.. .

You know, my old lady in need of loving care is this:

prevalently quadra...

The lover serves to support the boma. (now replaced by rigid vangs)

I. I don't want to get the ball banged, that the two do the same job seems difficult.

Meolo: free top of flowing inside the balumina, serves to regulate the fat in the exit zone of the sail. sometimes it is also present in the edge of the bow.
more difficult to write than to do.. .

 

[Onda]

You know, my old lady in need of loving care is this:

mainly square...




Meolo: free top of flowing inside the balumina, serves to regulate the fat in the exit zone of the sail. sometimes it is also present in the edge of the bow.
more difficult to write than to do.. .

perhaps in the quadre sails the meole serves to regulate fat in the sails, in the Latin sails it only serves to prevent the balumina (or the base) slam. It has no other function.

 

[Exatem]

Why don't we put down an English-Marinaresco dictionary for a while?
If you're opening a trhead in the naval area.
I'll start with:agugliotto and female: respectively the pin and its relative housing that fix the rudder in the stern mirror.
lovers (or mantiglio): current manoeuvre to support a boma, a tangone, a pennone, etc.

 

[Meccbell]

Beautiful! But how did they kill such a beautiful race?

Sorry, I meant the america cup in general.

simple: we live in society where banal is the most common standard.
therefore a splendid manifestation like the america cup, which was already spectacular of its, both as technical content, and agonistic, but it was too "on" for the average viewer, all sofa, canvases, beer and popcorn, striped canopy and free press, had to be made more "accessible".

So what do the brains of aquatic sciòbiz think of you?
simple: we turn the america cup, with its "interminable" regattas, with crosses once every who knows when and with those strange guys on board that fans come the torcicollo only to see them in tv, in a kind of f1 sailing championship.
and then, away the match race, with his circling, which alone was worth half race. too much waste of satellites and helicopters for 2 only boats.
group races, which last a handful of minutes, great to regret them of commercials, so often you can't stand behind nothing, but that do the same "thousand stuff", as they say now.
races made undercoast, not to say almost on the beach, so also those who pass there, perhaps only to piss the dog, can say they have seen a race.
They didn't understand us the same as a blessed min...ia, but "they were there".

and then there are boats.. .
if with the "old" cup even those who went on the lake with its drift could imagine themselves skipper in race with the "black" of new zealand, now that there are the catamarans, pardon, now it is said multiscafi, that makes more cool, you only have to look in admiration, how inarrivalable devotion.

even removed flags for complaints and penalties.
you saw them waving and the way they were agitated, there was also the mood of those who held them in their hands: frenzied by the competitors, who also put the silent "fuck" to protest. held on authoritarianly by the "umpires" to mark the gesture of the constituted authority, which sees, evaluates and decides.
now no, there are the lights, that light up, flash or turn off, commanded by unknown and anonymous remote controls, pressed who knows where.
Perhaps, as in f1, by guys who stand on the ground, behind a wall and in front of 4 or 5 screens from which they see and decide.

bleah... for me, this "new" america cup does not know anything and is already old before it has become adult.

 

[Cristallo]

bleah... for me, this "new" america cup knows nothing

I'll tell you what.
see a "boat" of america cup that brakes from 18 to 2 knots and accelerates from 6 to 14 knots in the length of a hull is "unnatural". but who has ceramic brakes and n2o? ?

 

[Onda]

I find that the previous cup, with the monoscaphs had arrived at a dead point.
tens of millions of euros were spent to make a boat go faster than 0.1 knots.
the america cup represents the maximum in technology and innovation, but the boats had remained firm to the displacement boat model, in which there was 70-80% of the weight of the boat in the bulb.
the boats, 24 meters long were slower than many cruise/regatta mono boats of 18 meters.
the cup was revolutionized. I personally would have preferred planant monoscaphs, maybe with a shovel keel. of course, however, that boat formula had arrived at the end of its life.
these catamarans are as spectacular and innovative as you can think, and pose design problems and use never explored.
they arrived at the wrong time, in full economic crisis, when companies cannot afford such high advertising investments.
like all revolutions will be understood, and I expect that at the next cup the performance differences between the various consortia will be very high, so the regattas will have little spectacularity.
We will have to wait at least the next cup because the boats return to be all at a closer level and then create show.
now the competition has moved on the ability to lift the boats through the foil, the biggest problem that arises is the control of the raised boat and the ability to remain on the foil, in order for long distances.
the consortium that seems better to have solved these problems is team new zeland, which manages to make long stretches on the foil, with the boat in perfect order, at stratospheric speed, around 40 knots.
from a design point of view the challenge assumed completely new contours. I believe that the america cup has always been this: a technological challenge among nations. technological innovations have always assumed a fundamental aspect in the history of the cup. and each advance has given undeniable advantages to those who first introduced it and exploited it.
For example, the passage from cotton sails to those in dacrons much lighter and rigid.
the passage then to the sails in kevlar and recently those in carbon. the adoption of aluminum in the construction of hulls, then replaced by composite materials.
every consortium that has been able to use technological innovation has then won the cup and has demonstrated how its nation was ahead.

 

[linch]

I find that the previous cup, with the monoscaphs had arrived at a dead point.
tens of millions of euros were spent to make a boat go faster than 0.1 knots.
the america cup represents the maximum in technology and innovation, but the boats had remained firm to the displacement boat model, in which there was 70-80% of the weight of the boat in the bulb.
the boats, 24 meters long were slower than many cruise/regatta mono boats of 18 meters.
the cup was revolutionized. I personally would have preferred planant monoscaphs, maybe with a shovel keel. of course, however, that boat formula had arrived at the end of its life.
these catamarans are as spectacular and innovative as you can think, and pose design problems and use never explored.
they arrived at the wrong time, in full economic crisis, when companies cannot afford such high advertising investments.
like all revolutions will be understood, and I expect that at the next cup the performance differences between the various consortia will be very high, so the regattas will have little spectacularity.
We will have to wait at least the next cup because the boats return to be all at a closer level and then create show.
now the competition has moved on the ability to lift the boats through the foil, the biggest problem that arises is the control of the raised boat and the ability to remain on the foil, in order for long distances.
the consortium that seems better to have solved these problems is team new zeland, which manages to make long stretches on the foil, with the boat in perfect order, at stratospheric speed, around 40 knots.
from a design point of view the challenge assumed completely new contours. I believe that the america cup has always been this: a technological challenge among nations. technological innovations have always assumed a fundamental aspect in the history of the cup. and each advance has given undeniable advantages to those who first introduced it and exploited it.
For example, the passage from cotton sails to those in dacrons much lighter and rigid.
the passage then to the sails in kevlar and recently those in carbon. the adoption of aluminum in the construction of hulls, then replaced by composite materials.
every consortium that has been able to use technological innovation has then won the cup and has demonstrated how its nation was ahead.

I'm sure you're right and probabially my mentality is not at the pace with the times, but I'm sorry not to see the man at the top of the tree looking for a favorable breeze, the bolina crosses of the type "pass or not pass", the acrobatic randist who fixes a steak out, the lined up of stern to cover the wind, stuff from old sailors.

 

[Onda]

I'm sure you're right and probabially my mentality is not at the pace with the times, but I'm sorry not to see the man at the top of the tree looking for a favorable breeze, the bolina crosses of the type "pass or not pass", the acrobatic randist who fixes a steak out, the lined up of stern to cover the wind, stuff from old sailors.

mah, the real sailors are the ones of the globe sale, whose first ended this Sunday, making the world tour without a stop in less than 80 days.

I am convinced then that of acrobatics, cardiopalms and emotions we will see several, if these "things" stand.
from what little I managed to follow, these catamarans are really impressive.
hope that there are enough boats in the water and that they have similar performances, since for the moment it doesn't seem so

 

[Fulvio Romano]

The lover serves to support the boma. (now replaced by rigid vangs)

The meolo is used not to break the balumina, that the two do the same job seems difficult.

I thought so too, in fact I was convinced that it was a fixed maneuver. Let's talk about armo sloop, fractionated or not. quadre sails, or Latin arm... do you have experience that does not limit itself to optimists? On...

googlando a little read that first of all the lover is used to regulate the fat of the outgoing frog (where the incoming gums with the vang). so it also serves to adjust the closure of the balumina, which is what you usually do with meolo.

Moreover, when you are under the thirdroles, with a half-boma finish, the adjustment of the lover for the fattening of the frog becomes necessary. from this the honor of "no current". of course all this only from google, I have never brought boats with lovers, and on my "lover" I do it with drizza when I am in port to have more space in the cockpit:tongue:

You know, my old lady in need of loving care is this:

Yeah. I know...

 

[Onda]

I thought so too, in fact I was convinced that it was a fixed maneuver. Let's talk about armo sloop, fractionated or not. quadre sails, or Latin arm... do you have experience that does not limit itself to optimists? On...

googlando a little read that first of all the lover is used to regulate the fat of the outgoing frog (where the incoming gums with the vang). so it also serves to adjust the closure of the balumina, which is what you usually do with meolo.

Moreover, when you are under the thirdroles, with a half-boma finish, the adjustment of the lover for the fattening of the frog becomes necessary. from this the honor of "no current". of course all this only from google, I have never brought boats with lovers, and on my "lover" I do it with drizza when I am in port to have more space in the cockpit:tongue:


Yeah. I know...

the lover, on the boats with armo a sloop, it only serves to keep on the boma with the bent frog above. you never use it to regulate the wintering (not the fat) of the balumina. In theory, if there is so little wind that the boma's weight closes the balumina, you could use it, but in practice you never do. Boats normally have rigid vang, so that's what keeps the boma in place. If they don't have rigid vang, there must be really little wind because the boma is not supported by the frog itself.

vang is used to control the overwhelming of the balumina (vertical position of the boma), in the first instance. in second instance compresses the boma and pushes the lower part of the tree and then loses (regulating the fat) of this part of the tree. This is very true for small boats and much less for larger boats, where vang is used only for the overwhelming of the bath.

 

[Exatem]

you young people are rightly catamaran but I...
in the ship equipment I know you have the following definitions.pennoins: it is the horizontal antenna to which the upper side of the quadre sails is lowered. of tapered shape, ends at the two ends with the Both. the pen is suspended in the central part by means of a chain (sospensore) and double-sided iron collar (tricks). if the pen is fixed on the tree, the trough is called fixed trough, if instead it is sliding you have the flying trough. the trozzes allow to orientate horizontally the pen and to tilt it transversally.
pennone is also supported by two cables or winds called lovers, ranging from its two ends to the tree. the pen can be oriented (armed) by two cables (bracci) arranged at its ends (varee), which descend to the deck of the ship, where they are hand-managed.
the pennone brings a round iron (guide), horizontally placed in its upper prodier, to which the sails are attached by means of the matafioni and a second round iron such as a safety hook to which the cage is entrusted, called fighiera.
the guide also brings Marciapiedi cable, on which the cages support the feet during the maneuvers. the pennones take their name from the sails they support (pennone of the trevo of teacher, pennone of cage, etc.

of course the above is an explanation for the neophytes that read.

 

[Onda]

you young people are rightly catamaran but I...
in the ship equipment I know you have the following definitions.pennoins: it is the horizontal antenna to which the upper side of the quadre sails is lowered. of tapered shape, ends at the two ends with the Both. the pen is suspended in the central part by means of a chain (sospensore) and double-sided iron collar (tricks). if the pen is fixed on the tree, the trough is called fixed trough, if instead it is sliding you have the flying trough. the trozzes allow to orientate horizontally the pen and to tilt it transversally.
pennone is also supported by two cables or winds called lovers, ranging from its two ends to the tree. the pen can be oriented (armed) by two cables (bracci) arranged at its ends (varee), which descend to the deck of the ship, where they are hand-managed.
the pennone brings a round iron (guide), horizontally placed in its upper prodier, to which the sails are attached by means of the matafioni and a second round iron such as a safety hook to which the cage is entrusted, called fighiera.
the guide also brings Marciapiedi cable, on which the cages support the feet during the maneuvers. the pennones take their name from the sails they support (pennone of the trevo of teacher, pennone of cage, etc.

of course the above is an explanation for the neophytes that read.

It's an exceptional explanation for me, too, that I've never climbed on a four-wheeled ship, if not in port

 

[Er Presidente]

I'm sorry for ignorance, but what's the frog fat?
but that you really put fat on the sails? To go stronger?
That's how the air slips away?

:biggrin:

 

[Onda]

I'm sorry for ignorance, but what's the frog fat?
but that you really put fat on the sails? To go stronger?
That's how the air slips away?

:biggrin:

:smile:
the "fat" is the depth of the sail. i.e. the maximum distance between the rope that combines entrance edge and exit board of the sail and the most distant point of the sail itself.

 

[Er Presidente]

:smile:
the "fat" is the depth of the sail. i.e. the maximum distance between the rope that combines entrance edge and exit board of the sail and the most distant point of the sail itself.

I get it! ! ! !

:biggrin:

 

[Meccbell]

but that you really put fat on the sails? To go stronger?

:36_1_13:

That's how the air slips away?

:hahahah:

 

[marcof]

you young people are rightly catamaran but I...
in the ship equipment I know you have the following definitions.pennoins: it is the horizontal antenna to which the upper side of the quadre sails is lowered. of tapered shape, ends at the two ends with the Both. the pen is suspended in the central part by means of a chain (sospensore) and double-sided iron collar (tricks). if the pen is fixed on the tree, the trough is called fixed trough, if instead it is sliding you have the flying trough. the trozzes allow to orientate horizontally the pen and to tilt it transversally.
pennone is also supported by two cables or winds called lovers, ranging from its two ends to the tree. the pen can be oriented (armed) by two cables (bracci) arranged at its ends (varee), which descend to the deck of the ship, where they are hand-managed.
the pennone brings a round iron (guide), horizontally placed in its upper prodier, to which the sails are attached by means of the matafioni and a second round iron such as a safety hook to which the cage is entrusted, called fighiera.
the guide also brings Marciapiedi cable, on which the cages support the feet during the maneuvers. the pennones take their name from the sails they support (pennone of the trevo of teacher, pennone of cage, etc.

of course the above is an explanation for the neophytes that read.

beautiful, really.
I push you (with a front roller...) to continue preparing a complete marine-Italian dictionary, English-Marinaro :smile:
ah, of course to make everything clearer you will have to run it from a congruous number of drawings (2d or 3d don't give a crap, do what you want:tongue
Well? Are you still there?
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

 

[Tequila]

I find that the previous cup, with the monoscaphs had arrived at a dead point.
tens of millions of euros were spent to make a boat go faster than 0.1 knots.
the america cup represents the ultimate in technology and innovation. . .

I agree, among other things fans will remember a few years ago with the "old" monoscaphs, the countless races suspended for lack of wind, or rather too few knots of wind to move the boats.
In fact, among the reasons that changed the type of boat there was also that of being able to guarantee the races and therefore the show.

 

[Exatem]

beautiful, really.
I push you (with a front roller...) to continue preparing a complete marine-Italian dictionary, English-Marinaro :smile:
ah, of course to make everything more clear you will have to correct it from a congruous number of drawings (2d or 3d don't give a crap, do what you want:tongue
Well? Are you still there?
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

apart from the joke "perfidth" :biggrin: doing such a thing is really a slaughter.
even because I can't "limit myself" and at every end another comes up making it difficult to organize.
However to avoid ending under the front roller I will try to do a little more than possible.
as a reference I will use the old lady above trying to correct the posts with some pictures.
already here you will find my drawings in 2d and also in 3d (awesome). .
We therefore take for example the ship of the photo, valid example of vessel of the end 700 of which it deliberately follows the lines.
Treeing
from prora to aft we have:
bompresso, consisting of counterfeit rod, bow rod, bompresso.
Trinchetto: (height 50,34m) fuse or trunk greater than trinchetto, tree or parrot trunk, hive or trinchetto.
master: (height 54,02m) cast or trunk greater than master, tree or trunk of cage, tree
mezzana: (height 43,24m) cast or trunk greater than half-half, tree or trunk of countermezzana, mezzana tree or belvedere.
each tree ends with a cylindrical part called an object above which rises for about 2 meters the rod of the flag called asticciola.
the largest cast of each tree, including the bompress, is connected to the hull structures.
the trees are connected with each other by coffe, crucifixes and moron heads. the coffe, until 1400 said cage, served to accommodate the sailors of watch and the soldiers armed with bows, crossbows, archibugs. Coffa also has the task of binding the elements of the trees, to give the corner to the cage tailors and platform for sailors to the sails. from 1700 onwards the coffe took rectangular shape rounded to the bow. support the coastal bars and the crossroads. on the sides there are two quadrangular openings called cat's or coward's hole which allows the passage of the current maneuvers that descend from above and the sailors who, however, preferred to pass externally through the cage or legs or rovesce sartie.
the crucible is intended to fix the mooring of the trees to the cage trees and to provide a sufficient angle to the tailors. later parts like cage trees, etc. join each other through a collar called moron head. This is an iron armor (from 1860) having two openings: a square for the male of the mast and a round for the passage of the cage shaft.
to each tree are connected the pens we will talk about next time.
attached drawings of a pen and a coffe.

 

[Exatem]

I repeat what is written in the previous post because it contains an inaccuracy.pennoins: it is the horizontal antenna to which the upper side of the quadre sails is lowered. of tapered shape, ends at the two ends with the Both. the pen is suspended in the central part by means of a chain (sospensore) and double-sided iron collar (tricks).
the trough of tall feathers (velaces and countervelaces) is of wood and consists of a jazz semi-circular galavernia, covered with leather to reduce friction and closed back from racking.
if the pen is fixed on the tree, the trough is called fixed trough, if instead it is sliding you have the flying trough. the trozzes allow to orientate horizontally the pen and to tilt it transversally.
pennone is also supported by two cables or winds called lovers, ranging from its two ends to the tree. the pen can be oriented (armed) by two cables (bracci) arranged at its ends (varee), which descend to the deck of the ship, where they are hand-managed.
the pennone brings a round iron (guide o fighiera), horizontally placed in its upper prodier, to which the sails are attached by means of the matafioni. is often used as a safety lifeline to which the gabbiere (marinary maneuver of the sails).
the guide also brings Marciapiedi cable on which the cages support the feet during maneuvers. the feathers take their name from the sails they support (pennone of the trevo of a teacher, pennone of a cage). I attach an image to which the following table covers the lengths of the individual pens.
No name meters
1 rod of counterfeit 13
2 main auction 17.90
3 bompress 14
4 bridle bouncers 4
5 tree greater 32,17
6 paroque tree 16,30
7 Trinchetto tree 14,50
8 feathers of versail 7,30
9 snail pens 12,40
10 pennone of flying parrot 17,60
11 pennons of fixed parrot 21,80
12 Trinchetto pens 25
13 tree major 34,47
14 cage shaft 17,60
15 teacher tree 14,50
16 pennone di contro velaccio 9,70
17 pennone di velaccio 13,70
18 pens of flying cage 20,50
19 fixed cage pins 24,50
20 pens of teacher 28
21 major tree 23,043
22 tree of countermezzana 11,60
23 mezzana tree 11,20
24 pens counter belvedere 6,70
25 pennone of belvedere 9,40
26 pens of flying countermezzana 13,25
27 fixed countermeasures 16
28 pens of mezzana 18
29 peak 11
30 boma 16,50
31 peak load
32 asticciola