renewable time

[Magrinsi]

assumed interinal first of 2015 after 3 months to p.i. I gradually learned to design and design with a rather unknown cad at a small company with production in the automation industry.
after 6 months interinal I was assumed at a determined time of 1 year practically at the same salary of the interinal ag.
1390 euro gross monthly plus 2 euro per hour per hour stamping... Mah.
Ag interinal paid 1,700 monthly grosses. ..?
logically compared to the first 6 months productivity has increased much both for the mastering of the cad and for the experience gained in the field.
end of month expires the year...at the time.determinate but I have been told that they are undecided if to renew again at a determined time or indeterminate. ...
sincerely the period and lean. ..but at 44 years of experience it is hard to see renewing from year to year. .

 

[TECNOMODEL]

from what you write I understand that you have no experience in design/mechanical drawing.

I understand your bitterness, unfortunately in this period companies have a good game to leverage the crisis to take us by the neck.

What to say, if you have other perspectives...otherwise accepts, then you can always move and find more.

 

[Magrinsi]

from what you write I understand that you have no experience in design/mechanical drawing.

I understand your bitterness, unfortunately in this period companies have a good game to leverage the crisis to take us by the neck.

What to say, if you have other perspectives...otherwise accepts, then you can always move and find more.

mah... let's say that in the oil & gas sector and modeling nx experience c is .... in the automation and caddy sector of datasolid a little less but in almost 2 years objectively the advances were evident.https://drive.google.com/file/d/0b4vl-b4gghcpsmqzmzu4ujlwbeu/view?usp=drivesdk

 

[TECNOMODEL]

then we are at the usual, speculate on the crisis to choke who works and saves.
If our companies will continue to consider the staff only as a cost I see it hard to get out of the crisis, of course adding the thing to the other known problems of the Italian industry.

to me these situations would make you want to look for more, then when you find it and they will cry because you leave them on foot you can also take some pebbles from the shoes.

 

[Magrinsi]

As an example... it won't be a hi-end design... but eventually the machine was mounted and acquitted to its task.
It seems to me a little 'resultive a 4th level metalmechanical handicraft with 7.5euro gross/hour +2euro per hour prezenza(in the contributions and tfr then will figure? ..mah?) and at a certain time.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

did you try to talk about it with the property or who runs?
How do they justify the hypothesis of a fixed-term renewal?

 

[Magrinsi]

very small company (in technical office we are 2).
owner in close contact...and he procured while pointing out that in 3 weeks the contract expired, made me understand that he wants to renew but is undecided between determined or not.
In short, we will be asked about it...the first question will be: "How do you justify the hypothesis of a fixed-term renewal? "

 

[gil]

with the renzi reform, the contracts indefinitely "real" exist only in the public sector. for all new contracts, "undetermined" means only that you pay a little less contributions, but the company can hunt the employee as and when he wants. the only disincentive for the company is the tfr that the company should pay in case of dismissal in addition to some other charges that however only takes after several years of service.

for this reason I see that many companies are orienting themselves towards contracts indefinitely, but then they throw away people as before

 

[Magrinsi]

...I have another year at a certain time. .
motivated by the fact that even if professionally my figure is compatible with the company. ..the owner wants to further deepen character compatibility and availability for another year.
Moreover it has been noted that the elastic timetable I held (1/2 hour for 3 times the week recovered at the end of the day) and a point that stona ... because it is not justified compared to other employees.

 

[PierArg]

Listen to advice.

accepts just not to stay on foot and immediately after signing the renewal sends cv to cuff.
from certain companies it is better to stay away.
many companies a little more serious, with the jobs act they have transformed many contracts determined in undetermined...if your owner despite all yet tentenna starts to ports of questions.

I'm sorry if I seemed pessimistic, but I think it's better to be realistic than to find yourself with a handful of flies.

keep us updated because we hope that everything will end in the best way:finger:

 

[re_solidworks]

What I read is unfortunately a sad reality... but we must try to understand the pros and cons of all positions. I look around and see entrepreneurs and craftsmen in my area and the situation for them is radically changed in recent years. Today the blanket is really short for everyone for a lot of reasons and it is really difficult, especially for a small company, to spend a word for their employees if the company has worked programmed for 2-3 months and then nothing. .

 

[cacciatorino]

with the renzi reform, the contracts indefinitely "real" exist only in the public sector. for all new contracts, "undetermined" means only that you pay a little less contributions, but the company can hunt the employee as and when he wants. the only disincentive for the company is the tfr that the company should pay in case of dismissal in addition to some other charges that however only takes after several years of service.

for this reason I see that many companies are orienting themselves towards contracts indefinitely, but then they throw away people as before

I doubt it's so simple. What you can do (but you could do even before) is dismissal for staff reduction, but then I think there are constraints to sum up in the following months.

What has changed (but for companies over 15 dip, and I don't think that's the case) is that in case of unjustified dismissal the worker has the right to compensation and no longer to reintegration.

for the worker however always better this undetermined reduced that the determined, at least has the right to aspi, to illness, ferie, maternity, etc.

 

[cacciatorino]

...I have another year at a certain time. .
motivated by the fact that even if professionally my figure is compatible with the company. ..the owner wants to further deepen character compatibility and availability for another year.
Moreover it has been noted that the elastic timetable I held (1/2 hour for 3 times the week recovered at the end of the day) and a point that stona ... because it is not justified compared to other employees.

a year at t.d. is not that it is so different from a t.i. I would accept, if you have no better offers.

 

[Magrinsi]

wow I just read the accountant's mail that tells me that having added to the employee's income a couple of p.i bills. that I closed last year... I had to make the 960 euros of the bonus renzi.
I wonder if one by making overtime one turns the limit out to him too?

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

one of theBeautiful short-term jobs (all the possible cases from the interinal agency to the cococode), and the consequent accumulation of cud, is that taken individually very hardly exceeds 15000 therefore pay an irpef of 23%, but once added (and you are obliged to do so if you have more than one) if you exceed 15000 the taxation passes to 27%.
This involves not only the balance of the difference, but (and I pray to pay attention to this bean) to pay an equal amount (but I'm not sure because after a while my mind passes by a ritual suicide as a bonzo in front of the commune to disguise me as a rhombus and knock politely at the door of the commune with a grenade), because the state assumes that the next one you will find in the same situation. If it's not true, they'll come back. hip hoop
Meanwhile you poor precarious who spends 4 or 5 times from one job to another you have to pay hundreds of euros for:
a) your ignorance of tax matters*
b) an assumption that you are not recognized by six creditors towards the state

* or discovered, finding who knows how a trade unionist with a veil of piety, that you can stem the problem by asking that in pay envelope it is considered the maximum taxation for that category. This obviously involves a lighter pay envelope, but at least you avoid the next salary.

and as said such "that monotony the fixed place, it is nice to change"

that of overtime is something that should be considered in fact. but let's say that if you do a standard job (on 1200€ per month) you go back in the second scaglione between 15000 and 28000 (irpef 27%) and to overcome it you have to do so many but many extraordinary.
This is the little I understand (speaking with a trade unionist or a job consultant is something similar to the novels of butterghs, it doesn't serve anything but they sell it to you very well)

 

[giovanni.a]

I don't think it changes a lot, because in this way, you're gonna have to pay taxes, and in any case, if you cross the threshold, I'm gonna grab you the same. true that then they decur it to you the following year, always that you do not exceed the threshold, however it burns: (I know something!!)

 

[Magrinsi]

there have been updates. . .
taken the fixed-term renewal of another year...I expressly ask for the passage from 4 to 3 level and an increase from 1370 gross euros + 2 euro x each hour worked of prod award. 1,700 gross + 2 euro gross/h monthly.
2 weeks ago (in the middle of the urgencies before the holidays) I had been primed that I would have been made a draft envelope x understand how the pay would be. . .
I was told that the draft study paid had no time and that the contract and 3 level stop.
I wonder if the 1,700 lords were included. .
I was told here that the figure had never been heard and that it had only been transposed on the 3 level.
Now...I don't want to sin of presumption but seeing the amount of work properly managed these months (at least 20 hours of str. a month)...I expected at least one negotiation.
maliciously I think it was more convenient to pretend that I didn't understand at that time.

 

[Magrinsi]

site ..read on a forum post.:frown:

 

[cacciatorino]

maliciously I think it was more convenient to pretend that I didn't understand at that time.

You must consider that if the company offers you that figure you can see that for them you value that figure. they know that having rejected you the increase you will look for another job where you pay better, and so they are willing to take the risk of losing you and then have to look for a replacement.

 

[New Rider]

You must consider that if the company offers you that figure you can see that for them you value that figure. they know that having rejected you the increase you will look for another job where you pay better, and so they are willing to take the risk of losing you and then have to look for a replacement.

Of course you... the fact is that many times then, when you find that job in which you earn better, the company goes to the counterattack offering you any amount to keep you from leaving....