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[Primizio]

You must consider that if the company offers you that figure you can see that for them you value that figure.

I am sorry, but I have to disagree with those who work with staff like those who deal with other processes must get the most with the minimum cost, how much you really value or better how much the company evaluates you (and often these numbers do not coincide) you will know only when you submit the letter of resignation.

 

[Polymar]

[MENTION=553]primiti[/MENTION]: esatto, si usa anche dire "the biggest bang for the buck" :finger:

 

[cacciatorino]

I am sorry, but I have to disagree with those who work with staff like those who deal with other processes must get the most with the minimum cost, how much you really value or better how much the company evaluates you (and often these numbers do not coincide) you will know only when you submit the letter of resignation.

I mean that. If you're not satisfied with the resignation, and then you'll see how the company will react.

 

[Magrinsi]

it is in fact vagliando other offers.. . now arises the suspicion of the true reason for the second fixed-time renewal.
by reading on the web..in contract at a certain time does not anticipate withdrawal without just cause....pena reimbursement of future salaries...so if tomorrow I decide to resign because found better... I can't do it!

 

[Marve76]

It's true.

to be 44 years old in that situation is hard...
so many people are put so... I would say a good 70%...

today the world of work is ruthless....the industrial world competition has really reached high levels.

"...the companies every day are like in a great formula 1....where the tenth of a second makes the difference... "

in the economic field,the difference is not dictated by the minutes or seconds... .

and therefore unfortunately,often, companies are having to assume certain figures to carry out or to carry out a certain project that will then be seen.

No one wants to lucrate. ..better to be competitive.

We are aware that outside the EU, they have our own technology... they produce technology. . .
have engineers...resources... raw materials... but sell to a 25%/30% less than the ue...

strength and courage... don't quit.

 

[Magrinsi]

Yes, but it's crazy that besides being precarious, I have to take a year of salaries so I can get fired and go where it's best offered... crazy!

 

[TECNOMODEL]

Yes, but it's crazy that besides being precarious, I have to take a year of salaries so I can get fired and go where it's best offered... crazy!

It is not said that you have to cum, it is enough to settle with the company. in the letter of resignation it is written that the period of notice derogating from the ccnl and that the parties will have nothing to claim on it.

I've done it almost every time I've changed my job, I think it's hard that they don't accept.
What interest do they have to hold a "force"?

 

[Magrinsi]

It is not said that you have to cum, it is enough to settle with the company. in the letter of resignation it is written that the period of notice derogating from the ccnl and that the parties will have nothing to claim on it.

I've done it almost every time I've changed my job, I think it's hard that they don't accept.
What interest do they have to hold a "force"?

...we hope...but I have the clear feeling that they are aware that it will be hard to find people available to accept their poor conditions.
Not to mention the fact that before being operational with this design software (measured) any person even if brilliant takes time.. .

 

[TECNOMODEL]

Yes, even if they "force" you what they hope to get?
You will work at the minimum, with zero desire and at the first opportunity you will leave.

 

[Magrinsi]

..though months have passed and made several interviews.
Now one seems the right one. . .
I am curious to hear what they tell me when I present the letter of resignation.

 

[PierArg]

I'm so happy for you! :finger:

 

[Magrinsi]

the new company offers contract metalmeccanico industry (+50 employees) 1600 euro net /month and undetermined after 3 months.... .

 

[Marve76]

Good luck then.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

is certainly not the fault of the media or small industry.. .
even because if we want to look below,the big distribution will guarantee slightly higher wages (not everyone),but we know well as then,both more garbage,than quality. ..we know how to treat less post-sale relationships... .
in today's world where it counts more quantity, what quality...it is obvious that those who work in the small and makes quality, is more disqualified.
but this is fault and symptom of a wrong system...not your owner or small industry. . .

remember that this country is always and only been maintained by the media and small industry.. .
These companies have been those that have contributed to the current development and support of the product and the country...and people. . .

In practice, they were the founding fathers of the current industrial system.
if you are not happy or adaptable to work according to today's "low cost" canons, you will have to learn how to adapt. . .
like the companies of the rest.

I'm hard to understand your reasoning.
apart from the fact that here we talk about industrial realities and not of great distribution, how do you say that all that is great is of poor quality?
from my side there are some very large automatic machines companies, with a very high quality and that are market leader. I personally know many of their technicians and I assure you that the post sale is followed and treated properly.
regarding the founding fathers agree, the problem, often, are the second/third generations of entrepreneurs who subsent.
they want easy gain, spend little for staff, nothing for research and development. then, when holding obsolete companies cry on Chinese competition and ask for state subsidies.

last thing: adapt to low cost? never. Fortunately there is still some entrepreneur who aims at the professionalism of employees and the technical development of companies.
if we begin to adapt as you say, then we will also have to adapt to live in dorms drawn around industrial districts, to work 12 hours a day, to make 1 week of holidays a year etc.
we have already passed in Italy, in the years 50/60/70. What did our grandparents/fathers work for?

 

[Marve76]

You're right. . .

the big distribution is not equal in all the products...perhaps the only one that holds, is the mechanics as quality. Also because we are almost obliged to make quality...but for many other products, starting from the food, let's miss!.. .
do you want to put the obi, with the professionalism you can find in a hardware specialist? . . .
And yet perhaps, the debt of the obi between prizes... between knowledge. ...will take a little more...
but a professional, certainly doesn't buy them...
who worked for several years, saw...
innovation? I'm sure...
...they need money...investments...and so much,so brave.. .
You have it?... I want to sit... and then take it.
Everything else is going to chat. . .
I? entrepreneur, first of all must safeguard the corporate budgets. ..said this, your theory (of old mold) where the guilty are the children of the children of children and children, no longer holds...
p.s: the easy gain also wants the dependent. . .
as you want all the latest equipment. ...
so, today's mentality is that... both entrepreneur and employee. . .

 

[TECNOMODEL]

It is assumed that corporate balance sheets are safeguarded, but there are different ways to do so.
you can reduce the staff, lose the most qualified and replace them with low-cost labor, work with 15-year-old machinery when it's okay, continue to want to produce things designed 20/30 years ago, zero marketing expenses, research expenses etc.

then when the Chinese make your own product at 1 third of your cost.......

or you can focus on professionalism, the development of new products, the use of new technologies, market research to understand what the market demands, on a different way of producing and selling that is compatible with the global market etc.
and here I want to see Chinese compete with you, perhaps producing the most innovative product.
When something new comes out, it never comes from Far East.

 

[Marve76]

rather, attention to the decree "save banks" ...it reads that some banks (tante) joined by 30 December to withdraw to each currentist the figure pairs to 25 eur to save the bank failed...as by law in Italy a bank cannot fail.

from what you write I denote that you're not a guy who's so far around the world...
If it were, you wouldn't say that the Chinese are the ones we are afraid of... in the mechanical sector.
Our "megalomani" are more dangerous.... and/or the Turks as to produce machinery.
I'm sorry... but you stayed in the ancient world.

 

[giovanni.a]

very interesting the debate between technomodel and marve76, but I am more interested in the fortunes of magrinsi, and typhus for him, because now he has to decide between to maintain an unsatisfactory employment, but with contract (it seems to have understood) annual and one for three months with possible transformation after indefinite time.... (although they can fire you when they want).
courage then lean and in luck for any decision you will make.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

rather, attention to the decree "save banks" ...it reads that some banks (tante) joined by 30 December to withdraw to each currentist the figure pairs to 25 eur to save the bank failed...as by law in Italy a bank cannot fail.

from what you write I denote that you're not a guy who's so far around the world...
If it were, you wouldn't say that the Chinese are the ones we are afraid of... in the mechanical sector.
Our "megalomani" are more dangerous.... and/or the Turks as to produce machinery.
I'm sorry... but you stayed in the ancient world.

I see you a little rigid in interpreting the answers.
It seemed clear to me that that "Chinese" meant only low-cost competition from emerging countries and that our industrialists complain about.
I was a general speech of the whole Italian industry, which included, for example, the textile sector in which the Chinese, the real ones, are mastering it, or the footwear sector that suffers so much Asian competition, as can be said of the plastics industry.
I will not turn the world but try to keep me informed and not let me condition by the opinionist in turn but to reason with my head.
at the end of the speech, because we are ot or would like the thred to return to the events of magrinsi, I would like to quote the kodak case as an exemplifier of my speech.
kodak has failed because he has not been able to keep up with the times and innovate but he has assumed that he wants to continue making the product "that we have been doing for 50 years".
I close here and wait for new ones on the outcome of the negotiation in object to the thread.
good continuation.

 

[Marve76]

We don't confuse apples with pears...

at certain levels, you are obliged to make the right investment... and the first hit!...
and then who tells you that mrs kodak no longer wanted to invest to be still n1? . .
kodak will have that reality.... On the other hand we have and/or we had so many Italian companies of average level, so 50/150 employees... who invested you and so... and then they missed the same.. .
Wrong investment? ...or exaggerated? . . .
Who knows?

said this... yes....in this economic war, although those who make their expenses, it is often common people.
a little like when the bombings happened in 43...
but from here., to attribute any faults only to those who did not invest, it seems to me the classic populist reasoning... or from those who must safeguard the chair... .
see brexit.. .

There are companies that have existed and have been working for 55 years... today is the third generation that runs...
and to stay where they are, of course they did not have to revolutionize the world.
so many people admire the land.. .
Go see what level they are... I answer?

90% are back to us at least 30 years....we could define her the apotheosis of the conservatives...(they have the ruby still with the knobs!!!) ...
So what? ...you want to make everyone believe that only Italians are like this? ...

lobbyist populist speech.