sale used machine revised

[Arti045]

Good morning

I wanted to ask a question. If I have to sell a used machinery, certified according to Directive 98/37/ce, revised and remitted again, do I have to certify it according to Directive 2006/42/ce or is the old certification sufficient?

thank you (I have not found any discussion about this, I apologize in advance if it is an argument already treated)

 

[gerod]

depends on what you did on that car.
an old regulation on dpr 459/96 (still valid) says that if you did not make substantial changes and did not change the performance you do not need to certify.
if you did something not foreseen by the original manufacturer then you must take all the responsibilities.
Thats all.

 

[Arti045]

the original manufacturer is always me, only that I intend to start selling the used (crisis time customers rightly ask for everything).
I did not make any changes, only replaced the deteriorated parts.

Thank you for your answer.

Good day

 

[gerod]

Then you don't have to do much.
maintenance log and delivery of the machine as from origin with all documentation.
you are always the manufacturer

 

[Arti045]

Sorry, gerod, I got a doubt about the maintenance log.
is it not mandatory only for certain types of machines? (like lifting machines? ).
I in the company keep a register with all the machinery sold, freshmen, year of manufacture, customer and maintenance (where noted dates and type of intervention carried out on the machinery).
to customers in the use and maintenance booklet I provide in a paragraph all indications on the maintenance and how to behave in case of breakage. but do I have to give a specific register or is there enough indications in the book?

may seem like a stupid question but I would like to correct any errors or imperfections

 

[gerod]

Art. 71, comma 4 of d.lgs 81/08:

4. the employer takes the necessary measures to:
a) working equipment are:
1) installed and used in accordance with the operating instructions;
2) the subject of suitable maintenance in order to ensure in time the stay of the safety requirements referred to in Article 70 and are accompanied, where necessary, by appropriate instructions of use and maintenance book;
3) subject to the measures to update the minimum safety requirements established by specific regulatory measure adopted in relation to the requirements referred to in Article 18(1)( z);
b) the sealing and updating of the control register of work equipment for which the same is
planned.

(b)

 

[Fulvio Romano]

art. 71, paragraph 4 of Legislative Decree 81/08:

(b)

What does the employer have to do with it?
I don't understand how bad I or Arti045 is talking about the machines in the warehouse to sell them, not the ones he uses to work?

 

[gerod]

Well, if the manufacturer takes a used car into the house, he'll ask who used the maintenance log, and asks the employer of the company where the machine was installed.
so, when he sells it, he can prove that he did all the controls/maintenances. It's kind of a guarantee you're giving.
then if you put it all back, it can be that you do zero.

Mine was just a punctuation!

 

[Arti045]

thanks gerod and thanks also to you fulvio
I just started to pick up the used machines, say to come to a devastating crisis. I return them to new but in some cases my old customers no longer have anything, nor booklet, nor declaration of conformity and hearing not even sales bills (I don't know how some people can have a company nowadays, they call me is ask everything to me because they have lost everything). I still keep all copies of the documents (as I told you I have a register with annotated the life of the machine) and at my point, if the machine has not been modified, I regrow a copy of the original statement (in original obviously) and the "register" of the book use and maintenance.

So for the moment for the first two machines I picked up I have nothing... to put them back on the market is enough that I would re-create the original documentation?

As for the maintenance register I have always known that it is an obligation of the employer. the manufacturer, as far as I know, must indicate in the case of the maintenance of law and those that he himself foresees!

 

[Fulvio Romano]

if the machine has not been modified, I will collect a copy of the original declaration (in original obviously) and the "register" of the book use and maintenance.

obviously without updating dates... the document must be the original one in everything and for everything.

As for the maintenance register I have always known that it is an obligation of the employer. the manufacturer, as far as I know, must indicate in the case of the maintenance of law and those that he himself foresees!
correct me

I guess you're going to sell a used "guaranteed" and to guarantee it you'll make a full review. I wonder what the old owner's maintenance log needs, with the risk that it's "tark."

p.s.
It is a pleasure to read that nowadays there are people so meticulous. I meet every day people who make declarations without technical dossier, who sells machines declaring them almost machine, and who more has it.

 

[Arti045]

clear lightning, the machine will be again guaranteed as it was new (and in fact it is practically).

Thank you for your compliments. Let's say I try to survive doing the best I can (and that I have) and having fewer thoughts possible.

thanks for the answers