server x solidworks enterprise pdm

[Hesse99]

Hello.
we are considering the purchase of the pdm in question.
in particular we do not have clear the characteristics that should have the server, as the supplier did not give us much information.

I was moving towards the following:
- brand server (except advertising)
- 1 cpu xeon e5606 quad core; possibility of expansion to 2 processors
- 8gb ram etc. cas 9 (maybe you can do better as speed..); expansion possibilities
- 1+0 hw raid with sas 15k discs

In practice it would be the most powerful server that enters the company, dedicated exclusively to the pdm. For this reason I suspect that, in reality, we are throwing away some money.
For example: Do you really need raid 0 with 15k discs? and the preparation for the double processor?


clients that will connect are only 5, the network is 1gbit
What are your configurations? how much did you "carrot" your servers, to work with 5 solidworks clients?

drawings are currently organized in c.ca 600 directories and 14500 files. if useful I can provide info on the average size of the drawings.

thanks for any info

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

Hello.
we are considering the purchase of the pdm in question.
in particular we do not have clear the characteristics that should have the server, as the supplier did not give us much information.

I was moving towards the following:
- brand server (except advertising)
- 1 cpu xeon e5606 quad core; possibility of expansion to 2 processors
- 8gb ram etc. cas 9 (maybe you can do better as speed..); expansion possibilities
- 1+0 hw raid with sas 15k discs

In practice it would be the most powerful server that enters the company, dedicated exclusively to the pdm. For this reason I suspect that, in reality, we are throwing away some money.
For example: Do you really need raid 0 with 15k discs? and the preparation for the double processor?


clients that will connect are only 5, the network is 1gbit
What are your configurations? how much did you "carrot" your servers, to work with 5 solidworks clients?

drawings are currently organized in c.ca 600 directories and 14500 files. if useful I can provide info on the average size of the drawings.

thanks for any info

I press that I do not know the requirements of enterprise pdm but so to nose it seems to me the least.. .
some personal considerations on your points I answer in red.

- brand server (except advertising)
- 1 cpu xeon e5606 quad core; possibility of expansion to 2 processorsabsolutely- 8gb ram etc. cas 9 (maybe you can do better as speed..); expansion possibilitieswho aumenterei at 16gb
- raid 1+0 hw con dischi sas 15k,the perfect sas 15 k discs, for the raid depends on how everything is fragmented for example, we recommend for our plm.
3 hd raid 5 for application and vaults
2 hd raid 1 for database and operating system.database? oracle or sql server?

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

ps: on the solidworks website you find the specifications. . .
[URL="http://www.solidworks.com/sw/support/PDMSystemRequirements.html/URL]

 

[re_solidworks]

I press that I do not know the requirements of enterprise pdm but so to nose it seems to me the least.. .
some personal considerations on your points I answer in red.

- brand server (except advertising)
- 1 cpu xeon e5606 quad core; possibility of expansion to 2 processorsabsolutely- 8gb ram etc. cas 9 (maybe you can do better as speed..); expansion possibilitieswho aumenterei at 16gb
- raid 1+0 hw con dischi sas 15k,the perfect sas 15 k discs, for the raid depends on how everything is fragmented for example, we recommend for our plm.
3 hd raid 5 for application and vaults
2 hd raid 1 for database and operating system.database? oracle or sql server?

ozzy quoto mainly for the management of records. obvious that it would then serve a network card with the same speed for which a dual/quad gigabit configured with band aggregation or an 8 gbps optical fiber

 

[Hesse99]

- 8gb ram etc. cas 9 (maybe you can do better as speed..); expansion possibilitieswho aumenterei at 16gb
- raid 1+0 hw con dischi sas 15k,the perfect sas 15 k discs, for the raid depends on how everything is fragmented for example, we recommend for our plm.
3 hd raid 5 for application and vaults
2 hd raid 1 for database and operating system.database? oracle or sql server?

Thank you very much for the answers.
excellent idea of splitting discs.

the database is a microsoft sql-server.

I feel like you're a plm supplier.
How many clients connect to your server?

 

[Hesse99]

ozzy quoto mainly for the management of records. obvious that it would then serve a network card with the same speed for which a dual/quad gigabit configured with band aggregation or an 8 gbps optical fiber

if you need 8gbps for 5 clients I don't know if the pdm does for us.
the network is exploited at the most during check-in and check-out (download/upload, or as you say) of the drawings, and should not happen so often.
I mean: you download a total, you work, and then you recharge on the pdm.
At least I hope. .

 

[Hesse99]

ps: on the solidworks website you find the specifications. . .
[URL="http://www.solidworks.com/sw/support/PDMSystemRequirements.html/URL]

specific ones don't help much. in practice require you two servers (db+vault), but for everyone they ask very little:
- a quad core per server
- 4gb ram per server
- do not specify the speed of the disks (which in raid-0 doubles, speed and price: there is difference!)
- all this for 20 clients!

I would say my pc would already have the recommended configuration for 5 clients..

 

[cacciatorino]

Hello.
we are considering the purchase of the pdm in question.

Sorry the naive question but I don't know how pdmworks works.

I use dbworks and it's quietly possible to keep the db sequel on a server and the file server on another (the one that already existed even before the introduction of the pdm, for example, so much so as not to lose all links of the already existing projects).

do you intend to pass both the server file and the db server on the same unit? clearly from yes or no the demands change very much.

if the server where the pdm is run only serves for the db sequel, then a much less performing machine is good, I think.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

Thank you very much for the answers.
excellent idea of splitting discs.

the database is a microsoft sql-server.

I feel like you're a plm supplier.
How many clients connect to your server?

among other things we also provide plm, it is the field that I like and passionate about.:smile:
the specific ones go well under the 10 users stay quiet.

specific ones don't help much. in practice require you two servers (db+vault), but for everyone they ask very little:
- a quad core per server
- 4gb ram per server
- do not specify the speed of the disks (which in raid-0 doubles, speed and price: there is difference!)
- all this for 20 clients!

I would say my pc would already have the recommended configuration for 5 clients..

actually. . .

 

[re_solidworks]

if you need 8gbps for 5 clients I don't know if the pdm does for us.
the network is exploited at the most during check-in and check-out (download/upload, or as you say) of the drawings, and should not happen so often.
I mean: you download a total, you work, and then you recharge on the pdm.
At least I hope. .

if you don't take a high-performance network card avoid throwing money with fast disks and go on 7200 rpm (also sas).
Basically you need a volume that can travel to 300 mb/s if your gigabit network card goes to 128 mb/s?
so much it is worth taking seagates es.2 version sas and you are fine... .

for the record, with another pdm, I manage 5 clients with a normal pc co win7x64 on which I have sql xpress server and solidworks file. has cpu q8300, sata disks 7200 rpm in raid1 and gigabit network. we work directly with the files on the network and everything works properly.
I didn't see the five clients, I thought they were more...

a question: why exactly that pdm? Have you assessed anything else? if I were you I would rate at least dbworks and ready2works.

 

[Hesse99]

if you don't take a high-performance network card avoid throwing money with fast disks and go on 7200 rpm (also sas).

in part reasoning is right, but I have to keep some margin for the operating system (which makes the disks smooth without using the network) and little more.

However the sas are at 15k (after check the quote), at this point I could almost avoid the raid 0 (but without sacrificing the raid 1)

for the record, with another pdm, I manage 5 clients with a normal pc co win7x64 on which I have sql xpress server and solidworks file. has cpu q8300, sata disks 7200 rpm in raid1 and gigabit network. we work directly with the files on the network and everything works properly.

Thank you! That's what I wanted to hear: a case similar to mine. It seemed strange that they asked me two servers for five clients!

for the record now we use subversion; is free, but it is not a pdm.. in fact does not manage metadata, and does not "lock" files in reading/writing on the server. But the sync mechanism is similar, I mean it works via push and pop (or commit and update.. or upload and download, or as they say in this case) and there have never been any problems on our old server (of 2004, a mono-processor in raid1), or on the network.

I didn't see the five clients, I thought they were more...

better late..

a question: why exactly that pdm? Have you assessed anything else? if I were you I would rate at least dbworks and ready2works.

dbworks we already have it, but we do not use it because too "basilare"; we need a greater leap, towards something more complex (otherwise we stayed comfortably on sv, which really has so many merits)
We knew about the existence of ready2works but we did not evaluate it; swe-pdm manufacturer is the same as sw, and we assume that this is synonymous with perfect integration. the demo we liked and was made by the same provider that follows us for sw, so we didn't think to go any further.

Can I ask you the question? if you have rated ready2works, why have you installed swe-pdm?

 

[Hesse99]

Can I ask you the question? if you have rated ready2works, why have you installed swe-pdm?

I read wrong: you have no swe-pdm. by curiosity, what pdm are you using?
and the supplier recommended you a nasa server or knew what you needed? because it is not by everyone to put a "server" service on a win7 and a normal pc, you obviously knew what you were doing

 

[re_solidworks]

Can I ask you the question? if you have rated ready2works, why have you installed swe-pdm?

when we bought ready2works, pdmworks enterprise did not exist yet.
I am sincere, finding myself well with ready I never went looking for anything else. during my work I often go to other technical offices and as far as I have seen who has ready does not complain particular problems and is often very satisfied with the product.
vice versa I have heard many complaints about pdmworks enterprise.
the idea that I have done is that pdmwe is a tougher product for some features, but it is a much scarce tool that needs many customizations to make it right.
my opinion is that for ready pmi is the best tool as simple to implement, to use, economic and very profitable.

 

[The_Matrix]

I press that I do not know the requirements of enterprise pdm but so to nose it seems to me the least.. .
some personal considerations on your points I answer in red.

- brand server (except advertising)
- 1 cpu xeon e5606 quad core; possibility of expansion to 2 processorsabsolutely- 8gb ram etc. cas 9 (maybe you can do better as speed..); expansion possibilitieswho aumenterei at 16gb
- raid 1+0 hw con dischi sas 15k,the perfect sas 15 k discs, for the raid depends on how everything is fragmented for example, we recommend for our plm.
3 hd raid 5 for application and vaults
2 hd raid 1 for database and operating system.database? oracle or sql server?

raid five?
... but they are very slow.. .
if you have 4 money to spend put raid 1 even the vault... top pdm like tc or pdm links go (almost) well also with disks in 5, but I don't know if I am swx ent pdm is equally good.
ps. raid 1 yes, but with striping and mirroring

 

[re_solidworks]

raid five?
... but they are very slow.. .
if you have 4 money to spend put raid 1 even the vault... top pdm like tc or pdm links go (almost) well also with disks in 5, but I don't know if I am swx ent pdm is equally good.
ps. raid 1 yes, but with striping and mirroring

Wait. for me raid1 you do with 2 disks one photocopy of the other. raid5 are minimum 3 of which one performs parity and theoretically should be faster than raid 1.
raid 0+1 consists of 2 pairs of raid1 disks in turn in raid 0. You mean the last one?

 

[cacciatorino]

when we bought ready2works, pdmworks enterprise did not exist yet.
I am sincere, finding myself well with ready I never went looking for anything else. during my work I often go to other technical offices and as far as I have seen who has ready does not complain particular problems and is often very satisfied with the product.
.

a question: ready2works supports distributed file systems? If so, how? How do file reservation procedures happen? is put a lock but the file remains on the server? or is the file "in processing" downloaded locally and then re-printed at the end of the changes?

It seems that this is becoming an indispensable necessity. I know that my clients are one after another adopting pdm systems, and this is making collaborations very difficult. Now you're chosen more for how aligned you are to the software platform than you're good at designing.

 

[re_solidworks]

a question: ready2works supports distributed file systems? If so, how? How do file reservation procedures happen? is put a lock but the file remains on the server? or is the file "in processing" downloaded locally and then re-printed at the end of the changes?

It seems that this is becoming an indispensable necessity. I know that my clients are one after another adopting pdm systems, and this is making collaborations very difficult. Now you're chosen more for how aligned you are to the software platform than you're good at designing.

hi, I don't know if this is the only implementable solution, from us and other some companies where I was working like this:

files are normal swx files stored by the pdm on the server disk, shared and connected to clients as a network disk. copy is unique for everyone within the same local network.
basically are the same files that are opened and never moved.

in the case of external cooperation with narrow band:

you make a kind of pack and go from the pdm to extract the files you need to start work, such as encoded commercials, initial project studies to develop, etc... and at the same time freeze locally the files subject to change (they need to be frozen only if they are in new state and therefore editable). the operation is done in 3 clicks, it is simple.
from the studio remotely uploads a database with the same rules (often you start from a copy of that of the company you charge) and copy the archives to the ready server.
the two databases are connected to make sure that the codes can interact and as the outside creates codes in the company see appear new "booked" codes that exist only on the pdm (in this phase they do not receive the files). at this stage a line isdn at 64 kbps.
when the outside has to deliver the work simply brings the pack and go (from the pdm) and with a two-click procedure is incorporated into the company's archive by unlocking the files for all users. depending on the chosen workflow, it is necessary to control/approval by the company to enter the drawings in the production circle.
I don't know if you can get him to work in other ways.

 

[cacciatorino]

the two databases are connected to make sure that the codes can interact and as the outside creates codes in the company see appear new "booked" codes that exist only on the pdm (in this phase they do not receive the files). at this stage a line isdn at 64 kbps.
when the outside has to deliver the work simply brings the pack and go (from the pdm) and with a two-click procedure is incorporated into the company's archive by unlocking the files for all users.

I understand, it's like the dbworks briefcase, very different than the "date replication" of pdmworks enterprise.
in the latter the vaults are replicated at the company "mother" and at the "satellite", while the db sql exists only at the parent company. When a satellite has to load a file or assembly, the query happens on the remote sql server, while the swx files are loaded from the local vault. Finally, at scheduled intervals, the two (or more) vaults are synchronized.
I gave a last to the American forum, and I saw that there are really remarkable implementations of these replication dates, although the system seems not to be very robust and sometimes swallowed some models (maybe they put it in place in the latest releases).

But I have no idea how much this enterprise pdmworks costs with distributed file systems.

 

[re_solidworks]

pdm works enterprise does not cost madness. the problem is that once purchased is a "nudo" strumetno with very little functionality.
for the collaborations I have heard that he works well anyway.

 

[ballino]

bye to all,
at a distance of some time by taking this thread in view of the next release of windows server 2012 (other than mentioned on the site solidworks/requirements)[in azienda usasiamo epdm 2012 su 5 licenze e ca. 200Gb di archivio]the reason is this: we often talk about virtualizing the server to the advantage of better re-starting after a hardware failure but you can't quantify the performance prediction to the real-pass-->virtualized.

the company for which i work has a unique physical server with server / sql database and archive server; performing tests it has been noted that it needs an upgrade (now there is w2003r2-32bit , 1 cpu e5420 and 4 gb ram, 2 sas records raid 0 for s.o., 3 sas records raid 5 for data)

according to you is the case of buying:
- ws2012 with downgrade 2008r2 and virtualize everything
- add a cpu and 4gb of ram?

good work,
dancer