share from base line dimlbase

[albertoromano]

a greeting to the whole forum and good recovery.
work with progecad14 which is based on autocad14, I recently modified some display settings on some commands and display cards, paper space and model space, nothing decisive, since then I happen that using in the paper space the dimlbase command that is the progressive quota compared to a point or line of origin (base) on some geometries the odds do not turn out real but as if the real quota is divided for the scale factor of the window where I am working. and I repeat that this has happened to me since I made some banal changes to the setting of the work area.
I attach an example file.
I can't find how to attach an example file from less than 90kb

Is there someone who can give me a tip?



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[albertoromano]

It's always me, I've attached here the example file.
Greetings to all. a.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

I would like to tell you that opening a discussion in the 3d modeling section and rendering is not ideal since visibility will be lower than that of the main section of autocad.
I have seen other times quote in paper space and find it illogical and potentially dangerous.here. e here. some tips to check on similar issues
analyzing the quotas we note that the white ones have a scale factor of -5.1434 (perhaps the negative sign has its relevance) while the blue ones have a scale factor of 1

 

[albertoromano]

good evening to all, thanks massive for the answer, I went to see the links that you proposed to me and opened a world where I am also a bit lost, the cited variables are all of defolt, at least those that I checked out, I will come back on because some are completely new and with some time I will deepen the question. I also tried to repair the file and answers me 0 errors found 0 correct etc.
but the fact that it happens to me seems independent from these variables because it is an autonomous choice of the cad while it quotas several objects to change the factor of scale and then give me some odds, remaining in the same design and also in the same layout window, in preparing the example file I took a blank design and I did everything in a minute without putting hand to any variable, is he who when he seems to give the numbers.
I have seen other times quote in paper space and find it illogical and potentially dangerous.I personally find it convenient to put on the table and quote the use of paper space, I would like to understand what leads to this conviction.

Thanks again for the patience you have. Good evening. a.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

I personally find it convenient to put on the table and quote the use of paper space, I would like to understand what leads to this conviction.

Isn't it just as convenient to share in the model space? then when you open the window in paper space to place it you have to move only this and not select window+quote+texts.
because it is potentially dangerous, it seems quite obvious to me.
and according to you what is the convenience of listing in the paper space?

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

attention then that if you change scale to the window, as I did on your drawing that from 0.1944 I brought it to 0.2, the odds not only do not follow the objects, but even maintain the previous scale factor, obliging to reassociate all the quotas and redefine the scale factor (applicable with the brush, but always at risk of error)
be careful that those variables are not of system and are valid for the specific design.

 

[albertoromano]

design and realize furniture, several also from your parts.
in my drawing files there is everything, wood, agglomerated, glass, marble, hardware and everything anyone would like to find in a decor, both for home and for any other destination.
each piece to be realized must be drawn and quoted in the appropriate scale, in the different views, plants prospetti sections etc., to do this have been invented the layout windows that allow to produce documents of the different formats containing the desired objects, to view them in the different scales, to quote them if necessary and even to add texts, descriptions and more.
if I have to give the muffler the executive for a work plan I open a tab in the paper space, I visualize the object that interests in the various windows and in the various scales, the quot in the appropriate scale and I do not go to hang the model, that then there is not only the marble but also the window, the tapestry and others, all will have their layouts with all that is needed in the stairs and the other model
in the model there is only the model with all the beautiful objects ordered in their levels with the tree structure, very comfortable also that.
As for me, the possibility of working with paper space is a decisive tool.
Greetings to all.

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[MassiVonWeizen]

you have not convinced me of the usefulness of listing in paper space, it will be because we work in different areas (my is mechanics).
when you solve the problem reports the solution that will certainly be useful to someone else (to me surely to satisfy my curiosity)

 

[albertoromano]

Hey, guys, I'm gonna reinstall the program. I'll let you know. Greetings. a.

 

[albertoromano]

Greetings to all, I reinstalled the cad with the option "correct errors" and there is nothing to do, the problem is resumed. next time. a.

 

[Legs]

@albertoromano the problem you have is not an autocad error but is related to the mode of use.
in the paper space measures are referred to the sheet unless you activate the membership fees in which the measure is referred to the chart element you are listing.
I also have some doubts that you can use the quotas referred to a base because you are not referring the quota to a graphic element but probably to multiple graphic elements (this concept also applies to the membership fees activated).
Another solution is simply to define a quota style with the right scale factor.

to use the association if you quote directly in the model space because they create relationships that generate confusion when changing.
here instead I suggest to directly use the annotative quotas because one or at the most two styles of quota can be enough to manage all the stairs you need. with the advantage that a same design, or its parts, can be listed in different scales. autocad will display the odds of the right scale according to the scale of the paper space. In short, there is no need to handle the layers in the windows.

 

[albertoromano]

hello to all and thanks to legs for the contribution. I rearrange the file with the layout with different quotations, I colored in blue the wrong ones, I use this procedure for years, the first quota is dimlineare and it works correctly, the following are dimlbase, the strange phenomenon is that the cad forgets to divide the value of the quota for the "linear scale" that is the scale of the window, does not do it for all the correct odds but only for those that decides it on base to the points that are the lowest I repeat that they are quotations made in a single "slide", I only changed after manually the colors to highlight the errors.
I have always activated the check in the options "make new membership quotas", the dimassoc variable is correctly on 2 and I find that the correct odds are associative while the incorrect ones are not, are discriminatory initiatives that take the cad independently and I would like to understand how it is possible this.

a greeting to all of you. a.

 

[Legs]

then I realized that it is not necessary to refer to only one graphic element. you can do as you are doing and autocad understands that he has to scale the odds as needed.
The strange thing is that using the file and starting with the basic odds, leaning on what you have already done, it kicks me all the odds.
if instead I create from zero the first basic quota (using dli) and then I generate the following (using dba) then they are correct.
and it always makes me the joke of wrong if at the start they select an existing quota that maybe I did but in the meantime I made other odds. It is as if it memorizes as a reference the data of the last quote performed.
in practice you have to make a starting fee and immediately after applying the basic quotas that follow from this. so it works without errors.

 

[albertoromano]

then I realized that it is not necessary to refer to only one graphic element. you can do as you are doing and autocad understands that he has to scale the odds as needed.
in practice you have to make a starting fee and immediately after applying the basic quotas that follow from this. so it works without errors.correct. only that my mistakes make them sometimes, and without giving explanations.
Good week to all. a.