signing enabled

[JUMPY_75]

Good day to all

They asked me to design a mezzanine for a warehouse with a range of 300 kg/mq and 2 access stairs. the mezzanine will only serve as storage for materials and there will be no office or other premises. I have given a view to the rules regarding the lofts and since you have to sign a lot of cards I wanted to know if someone knows how to tell me if as a mechanical expert enrolled in the atbo I can sign the projects and their relations/declarations. I have already asked my boarding school and some freelancers I know and someone tells me that I am enabled others tell me that I can't do it. I don't have a problem with making this carpentry, I do a lot of it for slaughtering plants, but before taking the job, I would like to be sure that this fits into my capacity as it is a civil work. of course the final customer has a geometra that will take care of everything you need to the technical office of the municipality. I thank you in advance for your help

 

[gerod]

ask the order of the experts, in official form.
sign static calculations? If I'm not just engineers.
better to ask the official organs, hello

 

[JUMPY_75]

thank you for the help gerod but it is my college that causes me in confusion as they respond so to my email:

"Good day, I answer briefly to his. it is defined building construction a something firmly fixed in the ground; if this characteristic is missing it is not construction and the work does not comply with the laws regulations, and what else, building. for extreme correctness, but only for this, can quietly make a communication, if it also wants in the form of a god, putting well in evidence that it is not a construction, but a building supported to the ground. "

while a geometra friend told me that I am enabled because according to the management decision nr. 5602 of 08/06/2010 with which the technical skills of the experts, geometries and agrarian experts on dm 14/01/2008 this type of construction is considered "simple construction".

Finally I heard a friend of mine marketing lofts told me that if there are no offices or premises this loft will be considered as "technical room" and therefore it does not need anything. Moreover he when selling a shelving says that to the customer only delivers the tables with indicated the scope per square meter and in case the customer wants a relationship must demand it and must pay it of his tasco.

I am increasingly confused!!!!

 

[gerod]

Mah, it's not true that a loft doesn't need anything. it is necessary to make certain that it keeps, especially if on and below passing people.
I need to make calculations. There are rules on this.
For example, for machines, there are 14122-x that define the access rooms to machines (passer, stairs, etc.) and ask for calculations and checks.
I do not work in the civil field but I happened to make calculations on structures like lofts and I used both eurocodes (i.e. ntc2008) and cnr10011.
Of course I didn't place the signing problem because I'm an engineer.

Unfortunately, orders are not good in these situations and answers usually indicate that "they wash their hands".
the important thing is that you do not use the signature where you cannot (office abuse is said).
You did well to bring the question.
Hi.

 

[Jeffcott]

the competences of the engineer are still substantially defined by Article 51 of the Regulation referred to in Article 23 of October 1925 n. 2537 which states: "They are the responsibility of the profession of engineer, the project, the conduct and the esteem of the works to extract, transform and use the materials directly or indirectly necessary for the constructions and for the industries, of the works related to the roads and the means of transport, of outflow and communication, to the constructions of each species, to the machines and industrial plants, as well as in general to the applications of physics, the geometric reliefs and the operations of extimus". as the skills are very vast and very generically defined, however, not inclusive of some sectors developed in later times.

As regards the delimitation of the competences of the engineers towards the architects, it is recalled what is laid down in Article 52 of the abovementioned regulation as referred to in Article 23 of October 1925 n. 2537 which states: “They are the subject of both the profession of engineer and that of architect the works of civil construction, as well as the geometric reliefs and the operations of estimation relative to them. However, the works of civil construction, which have significant artistic character and the restoration and restoration of the buildings contemplated by the law 20 June 1909 n.364 for antiquity and fine arts (treatment of the law on the protection of things of historical, artistic, archaeological interest now law 1 June 1939 n. 1089), are the responsibility of the profession of architect; but the technical part can be accomplished both by the architect and by the engineer”.
of course, the architect’s expertise is excluded from the architecture, the facilities, the infrastructure (roads, aqueducts, sewerages, etc.) and in general all that is outside the field of civil engineering.

In order to examine, however, in detail the limits of competence of the geometries, reference is made to r.d. 11 February 1929 concerning regulations for the relevant profession. Article 16 of that decree, in fact, in detail the functions that
They can perform geometries, while the following art. 18 points out the many functions that are common to civil engineers who are also recognized the ability to perform the estimation of funds and areas as well as the estimate of rural servitude and damage to buildings. The four main reasons for contrast between engineers and geometries are considered appropriate. first of all the concept of “modeste civil constructions” that from
time the jurisprudence intended to interpret not so much in a quantitative sense but in a qualitative sense. Secondly, with regard to the works with a metallic or reinforced concrete structure, for which the principle was acquired in the case-law that they are excluded from the competence of the geometries (and the experts) and are reserved for the competence of the engineers and architects. Thirdly, the industrial buildings which would fall within the competences of the geometer only in the case of agricultural buildings of limited importance. Fourthly, the detailed urban plans of limited extension for which the competences of the geometries were almost constantly excluded from the jurisprudence also by that of the State Council.

 

[Jeffcott]

This is what I know about it, so I hope I have disappointed the substantial differences between the three professional figures in the best way.