software 3d

[Pastameccanica]

good day to all, working in a design office of a mechanical workshop that deals with pressure devices and using as software for such purpose autocad 2010 mechanical for 2d drawings, we would be willing to start with the use of 3d graphics. not knowing what program would do for our case, since autocad 3d, yes it is convenient as many commands are like the 2d, but not being parametric, on many occasions we do not get what we want.(for example the development of 3d surfaces on a plane).speaking here and there, some would have indicated the rhinoceros software or solid edge. at this point I ask help!!!confused:

 

[Be_on_edge]

good day to all, working in a design office of a mechanical workshop that deals with pressure devices and using as software for such purpose autocad 2010 mechanical for 2d drawings, we would be willing to start with the use of 3d graphics. not knowing what program would do for our case, since autocad 3d, yes it is convenient as many commands are like the 2d, but not being parametric, on many occasions we do not get what we want.(for example the development of 3d surfaces on a plane).speaking here and there, some would have indicated the rhinoceros software or solid edge. at this point I ask help!!!confused:

rhinocerous is not born as a parametric, although it was later implemented. seems more oriented to pure modeling rather than mechanical. (but I may be denied it is long since I do not follow it).

solid edge instead is born as a mechanical parametric cad.

even where I work we make machines that work under pressure.

Hi.

p.s.: make a demo from the local dealer you will take away many doubts.

 

[Pastameccanica]

ok, be on edge, but with solid edge can you interface with autocad for file exchange??? you used in company 3d? ? ?

 

[cacciatorino]

ok, be on edge, but with solid edge can you interface with autocad for file exchange??? you used in company 3d? ? ?

Hi.
generally 3d packages on the market (solid edge, moneyworks, inventor, etc.) allow the complete management of the project, i.e. from 3d modeling to constructive drawings, distinct, sheet developments, without the need to rely on other software.
On the contrary, this is highly unfavourable because every "export" you find yourself losing all the model-table-differentiated associations that represent one of the main advantages of these systems.

I hope to have been clear, otherwise I also ask.

 

[Pastameccanica]

You were clear hunter, so with only one software I could manage everything. What, according to you, of those you have indicated me is more functional to my needs? Are they easy to intuition or need training? do they have an autocad setting?

 

[cacciatorino]

You were clear hunter, so with only one software I could manage everything. What, according to you, of those you have indicated me is more functional to my needs? Are they easy to intuition or need training? do they have an autocad setting?

So, I solidedge and solidworks learned them alone and a little on the forum. Cocreate, on the other hand, I had to use the help of my colleagues because management is not quite intuitive.

depends a bit on your "elasticity", the time you have, the average level of colleagues who will have to use the system, etc. so on two feet it is difficult to give a reasoned opinion!

to know which software is most suitable for your purpose, maybe you should be visiting from the various retailers, or even better give you proof versions. for solid edge it is possible to download the student version, usable by all with the obligation not to use it for commercial purposes. It could be a good opportunity to practice and see how you are.
http://www.plm.automation.siemens.com/en_us/products/velocity/forms/solid-edge-student.cfm

 

[Pastameccanica]

Okay, you're too operational! However I will do as you said, solid edge I can try it, then I can evaluate also according to this. They told me about shit too, but I think I don't do for my case, what do you think?
thanks and good continuation.

 

[cacciatorino]

They told me about shit, but I don't think it's my case. . .

It would definitely be great, but it's very expensive! :biggrin:

p.s. I moved the discussion in the forum of mechanical cads to comparison, since the question was generic and not specific of if.

 

[Tequila]

Okay, you're too operational! However I will do as you said, solid edge I can try it, then I can evaluate also according to this. They told me about shit too, but I think I don't do for my case, what do you think?
thanks and good continuation.

as recommended by colleagues (and if you do a search on the forum you find other similar discussions) with solid edge (the same thing for solidworks, inventor, creo, etc.) you can manage the projects completely without having to use other cads for data completion.
However if you need to export files this is not a problem because everyone has the possibility to import/export files in dwg/dxf.
according to your needs and the complexity of what you plan you can assess whether to stay in the cad midrange (solidedge, solidworks, inventor, creo) or assess more complete and performing cads such as nx or catia, keeping in mind that these two have much higher costs than the midrange. for the mechanics the 4 sopracitati go more than well.

 

[Pastameccanica]

All right, tequila, I'll document on the midranges, for the use we'll make, I think they'll go more than well.:finger:

 

[Pizza3d]

depends on what kind of developments you need to get if you need to develop sheets (beams and loops ranging from picture to round), solid edge is a great product, if you have to develop surfaces (type of funnel) you have to switch to a band cad + high type nx.
the fact of the price... high or low... is relative, there are different configurations.
I know some lombardia dealers, even very active on the forum, if you want better clarifications, even regarding the potential of the various cads and the contact of the dealer x have the license to try if, you can quietly contact me in private.
Good job!

 

[Pastameccanica]

ok pizza 3d, we design tanks of various sizes, with rotating organs ( agitators and other) and also sets of pressure equipment, dimensioned also according to the available space of the installation place. It happens to have to draw the "virtual" set on site and using the 2d becomes a Moroccan work, with time spent, for the fact that you have to draw the various views and change them often until the achievement of the purpose. I don't know if I explained.

 

[Pastameccanica]

but what differences are there between solid edge and solid works? change the application, cover different sectors, or are two "paralleles" software?

 

[Pizza3d]

but what differences are there between solid edge and solid works? change the application, cover different sectors, or are two "paralleles" software?

are considered of the same price range, (like each other).
for now they have lostit motor that makes them turn (parasolid: owned by siemens plm), I say for now, because solidwork will change the motor (kernel) that makes it turn.
This means the problems he had with the passage from catia4 to catiav5.
It means making an archive of drawings, then when there will be the passage to that version, I find myself a tide of models that I will open and that I will not be able to change, as if they were imported from a ste or an iges, those that I call "wood pieces".
Currently the only way to change these "wood pieces" is synchronous modeling.
new method of modeling that is based on geomtric relationships of the faces.
and here we must acknowledge that with nx and if it was the first to develop it and put it on the market!

 

[Pastameccanica]

Okay, so would you say that s.w. is not recommended right now, but the real reason that s.w changes engine??? is it because the current one is not performing like the new one, or was "supered"? in this case for those who have to leave from zero would be better s.w.
Have a good day.

 

[maxopus]

always wrong in the place of creo.
creo is not a midrange, but has license configurations that allow you to use it as such.

 

[cacciatorino]

is it because the current one is not performing like the new one, or was "supered"? in this case for those who have to leave from zero would be better s.w.
Have a good day.

They're speculations for now.

The reason that swx should change the engine (although they insist that we can continue using it in a traditional way) is that the current one is the property of the competition, and they have one in the house (those) so they would like to use the same kernel for both catia and swx. there are then projects to become both catia and swx so-called "cloud" applications, which require major architectural changes including the change of kernel for swx. It is still a distant future.

However, it is not wrong whether you take solidedge or take solidworks: In both cases you put two very powerful and easy-to-use software at home. I tend to prefer solidedge mainly for the power of the table put (I do much). They say that the sheet metal environment is also great but I don't know it. if you do many welded maybe better solidworks. to the advantage of swx also the licensing management, easier to manage in the house even if you are out of service.

 

[Pastameccanica]

Okay, what I wanted to understand was if they were two parallel software. then with s.e. it stands at the "safe", as there are no significant changes on the horizon. As far as the use of ns., as I had already said, making also production in the workshop, they also serve the constructive tables with sections and everything else and from what I understood it is preferable s.e.