software for installation/machine

[zioTonino]

Good evening to all, I hope it is the appropriate section....

for a project I should realize a total of a mechanical "plant"; I would need to reproduce the individual components
(fasci tubers, cisterns, cabin plc, etc.).

the plant, or it would be better to define it machinery, in itself it occupies little less than 4 x 2 m.
essential the possibility of obtaining a bom (list of individual components).

for a previous experience I used solid edge software, but we are also evaluating alternatives such as creo and solidworks.

any of you use such software and for similar purposes?
that you know there are specialized magazines for this purpose?


Thank you.

 

[cacciatorino]

Good evening to all, I hope it is the appropriate section....

for a project I should realize a total of a mechanical "plant"; I would need to reproduce the individual components
(fasci tubers, cisterns, cabin plc, etc.).

the plant, or it would be better to define it machinery, in itself it occupies little less than 4 x 2 m.
essential the possibility of obtaining a bom (list of individual components).

for a previous experience I used solid edge software, but we are also evaluating alternatives such as creo and solidworks.

any of you use such software and for similar purposes?
that you know there are specialized magazines for this purpose?


Thank you.

I believe that the three you appointed are all good for your use, with pros and against specifics, but quite leveled as performance.

 

[zioTonino]

thank you for the answer...

to know what are the "against"?

Is there any site/review that analyzes them?

 

[calacc]

I confirm what he said hunting, all three are good for your project. it is not that you have special needs. I do not agree that they are quite leveled as performance because it is absolutely not true since I create it is definitely more performing in many other aspects (but we are not here to discuss it again...).

Since you are students you can evaluate to start with the most popular software in your geographical area, it can sometimes represent an advantage for those that are your future prospects of employment. even if I personally do not find it so essential; change cad at the end is like changing machine, just know how to drive well and know the commands to use.

if you don't care which cad is most popular there and you want to do a good job, in creo parametric there is a special module to create tubing and wiring that is the PCx. In the case of the project in question I think that there can be very useful, since I have seen that it is possible to already have bookcases for flanges, curves and standard fittings. for me you should do better since it should not be even so difficult to use. from what I could see are about 3-4 tabs of icons and handing us out well you should pull up the implant easily. then if you have difficulties there is always the online guide, free exercises, the earning, youtube, etc... ah yes I forgot!!! the forum :wink:

 

[cacciatorino]

because it is absolutely not true since I create it is definitely more performing in many other aspects (but we are not here to discuss it again...).

Have you tried them all?

I've been doing a series of tests here on the forum, and I'm creating what's lame more than everyone on various aspects.

 

[zioTonino]

Where can you find this evidence?

 

[cacciatorino]

Where can you find this evidence?

http: //www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?35324-focus-sul-un-unsilitur%e0

 

[calacc]

Do you know the province?

Yes, I just miss solidedge unfortunately, but here in my area I did not find companies that use it therefore I never approached. . .

I've been doing a series of tests here on the forum, and I'm creating what's lame more than everyone on various aspects.

Yes, I know the "tests"! but contrary to your way of seeing are the other sw that were honing in front of creo, but I don't want to talk about it because this is not the point...

Where can you find this evidence?

if you're interested qui in the section mechanical cad comparison but in my opinion they are unrecognized and only highlight some aspects related to simplicity of use, neglecting many important features.
but unless you want to do the analyst cad, what you need for the project is a tool that is as functional as possible for what you want to achieve. and I repeat that if it is a plant there is the possibility in creo parametric to have some specific features for piping, which are certainly a further advantage.
but, I repeat, all the software mentioned for what you have to do is fine.

 

[zioTonino]

I ask from "ignorant" ...

but the creo or if they make structural calculations or is it possible to make cleaning simulations of a part?

 

[cacciatorino]

I ask from "ignorant" ...

but the creo or if they make structural calculations or is it possible to make cleaning simulations of a part?

all cad3d have a fem package connected, but it is usually not included in the basic license, or that included in the basic license is very limited in functions.

But be careful to use these software: The fact that they are easy to use doesn't mean that the results of the simulations are reliable, because a fem analysis is always something to leave to a specialist: In fact, a small error in the input is enough to have results that are strongly wrong.

 

[calacc]

but the creo or if they make structural calculations

I know that I create parametric has I think simulate that allows to do studies and fem analysis including linear static analysis, modal, buckling, contact and thermal analysis at permanent regime. or even studies on mechanical fatigue with the extension Creo fatigue advisor extension. for the analysis part is very complete, depends on the field of use.
I don't know him.

is it possible to make cleaning simulations of a part?

I don't know what you mean.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

Have you tried them all?

I've been doing a series of tests here on the forum, and I'm creating what's lame more than everyone on various aspects.

this is your purely subjective opinion... I see it in a diametrically opposite way.

 

[zioTonino]

But there's no magazine, a site or I know that I've ever made a comparison between the three?

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

no... but why the magazine or the site could distract you from doubts?
What is your final goal?

 

[zioTonino]

the goal...if so we can call it is to find a software that can come against those that are our needs:
- to make a machine as a whole but also to realize the tube bundles
- possible fem analysis
- any fluid dynamic analysis

Today I have spoken very well of the inventor... but I think we are growing in the dark...

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

I mean the target in general, is it just a car? or a series of machines? is it for a project or thesis?(I see that you are a student), or are you working for a company and are you evaluating the purchase? because many choose also according to the price unfortunately...you only have to design it or even produce it? etc.
all will speak well of all this is normal, fluid dynamics too? here for example ptc does not have an integrated tools you have to pass by sw of third parties that fit well with the cads you mentioned, example floedf of the menthor, or fluent... but here the costs rise dizzyingly, idem for the fem... If you go on an ansys for example.
greetings

 

[calacc]

Well, speaking of fluid dynamics, I knew commuting that has among the many packages also the cfd module for fluid dynamics. should be integrated to create in a direct way, in fact there is written that receives in input file *.prt and *.asm without therefore need to export in neutral formats. I don't know if they work the other sw. I attended a workshop and tried it I saw that it is very complete and intuitive. as price range for the cfd module you should stay on 7-8 thousand euros, the livelink for creo is apart, but it reaches maximum to 1-2 thousand euros I believe, maybe if I find the list in the office I look at us better. . .

However if you are students and you are working for a project at university prices do not count anything... The important thing is that you find what you need and that it is a complete and functional choice at the same time, I don't think you have time and way to do courses!
I know that comsol in recent years is entering the academic world and some students of my university (now former university ) have worked to make thesis.