Tristan
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only for duty of record: rhino alone makes bad renderings; If you had written rhino+vray I would have given you a reason but so...
basula89
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go well from... don't put the dots on the i!!! xd
cad_parolisi
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from what I understand, and from what you write in the next post the problem was solved in the later versions of your (discussed but I did not understand which versions you use personally). I deduce from that which then technical assistance is not so inefficient. no, sorry if I say so, but I often use the technical service of nemetschek and I must say that they are very professional and always up to it. then bugs will probably not solve them, but surely (at least I hope they will signal them to programmers).
before closing this post, I allow myself to say, but really, without controversy, that maybe allplan is not your software. If so (even if you change, I realize, it is always a little trauma) you wouldn't want to consider the possibility of abandoning allplan and landing on other lids ? I don't want to be misunderstood, but it is perceived by how you write in this forum and how I had ways to see in other forums (allplan forum............ hope I don't miss citandola here), that you are now extremely critical (consense to me a " it is noticeable that something has irreparably cracked. I have been working with nemetschek for a long time and, always according to my modest opinion, the software, but the technical assistance sector and services are the best (............maybe I exaggerate a little:redface
.cad_parolisi
Guest
....rumors in my opinion put around art.
However, I fully share and appreciate the clear and fearful analysis. compliments:finger:
melastudio
Guest
Currently (for me) I use a very old version (16), while at a colleague I collaborate with before 2006 and then the 2009 rel. on one of his pcs, but honestly it does not cause me problems to move from one to another (I must recognize the value that since there is no abyss of difference in the features and masks of the sw, I find the passage extremely simple).
probably "cad_parolysis" is right: I had to change sw for a long time, but ahimé when you buy a license (at very expensive time: I talk about 1994) and spend money for a training course (very bad, where who should teach you, in some ways knows less than you!!! and you pay it also, and not little!), when in cimentarti con il sw you notice that for some things is up, but for other not (it is that some sw are better or worse).
it is not polemical, but it is a fact that a user starts from the assumption of "spending so much" to get the best product (look that many things like the "nothing on wrong operations", the "pan" and the " dynamic zombies" that are "fesseries" to allplan, but that allow more speed in moving in the project and avoid disastrous risks in having erased things that you notice too late and you can not do all about.
in the most recent versions (from 16) there was a "restiling", but many functions were not minimally improved; on the other hand it has a good wood modeler and other functions are very comfortable and useful, indeed I must admit that many functions could be even more effective if there were tutorials and online videos explaining their use (as do some sw house and now with allplan connect also begins the nem).
the modeler railings is fabulous! But do you know since I expected it?! since 1995 (it was included in 2008: it means after about 13 years of phone calls to the assistance in which I asked: "why does a sw so not have a mod. of railing even only basic?" (and in 1995 other cheaper swoolto already made very modest railings and without possibility of customization, but that allowed a fast insertion of these elements, not to mention gutters, rains, etc.).
...... I realize that I may be too much polemic, but honestly I have been able to see that the functions at the top of allplan are sometimes "beta version": e.g. the mod. facete you can use it to make even "real covers" (which are really cool in 3d!), but you try to do it on roofs with barks, roofs in pavilion and above all roofs a little more extensive than a villa that has a discreet covering surface (responded: exhausted memory! but not of the pc, we talk about the memory of allplan and there is no way to increase it with the utility of allmenu, just do not do anything).
in conclusion:
you're right is not the sw for me, but I can't afford to change it because I know it enough to do what I need (although dreaming sometimes I can do other things, type of renderings with radiosity and the trees that follow the point of view) and then in the end it's a discreet sw, but without spending higher figures other sw have better functions (in my exclusive opinion and talking about architectural design).
probably "cad_parolysis" is right: I had to change sw for a long time, but ahimé when you buy a license (at very expensive time: I talk about 1994) and spend money for a training course (very bad, where who should teach you, in some ways knows less than you!!! and you pay it also, and not little!), when in cimentarti con il sw you notice that for some things is up, but for other not (it is that some sw are better or worse).
it is not polemical, but it is a fact that a user starts from the assumption of "spending so much" to get the best product (look that many things like the "nothing on wrong operations", the "pan" and the " dynamic zombies" that are "fesseries" to allplan, but that allow more speed in moving in the project and avoid disastrous risks in having erased things that you notice too late and you can not do all about.
in the most recent versions (from 16) there was a "restiling", but many functions were not minimally improved; on the other hand it has a good wood modeler and other functions are very comfortable and useful, indeed I must admit that many functions could be even more effective if there were tutorials and online videos explaining their use (as do some sw house and now with allplan connect also begins the nem).
the modeler railings is fabulous! But do you know since I expected it?! since 1995 (it was included in 2008: it means after about 13 years of phone calls to the assistance in which I asked: "why does a sw so not have a mod. of railing even only basic?" (and in 1995 other cheaper swoolto already made very modest railings and without possibility of customization, but that allowed a fast insertion of these elements, not to mention gutters, rains, etc.).
...... I realize that I may be too much polemic, but honestly I have been able to see that the functions at the top of allplan are sometimes "beta version": e.g. the mod. facete you can use it to make even "real covers" (which are really cool in 3d!), but you try to do it on roofs with barks, roofs in pavilion and above all roofs a little more extensive than a villa that has a discreet covering surface (responded: exhausted memory! but not of the pc, we talk about the memory of allplan and there is no way to increase it with the utility of allmenu, just do not do anything).
in conclusion:
you're right is not the sw for me, but I can't afford to change it because I know it enough to do what I need (although dreaming sometimes I can do other things, type of renderings with radiosity and the trees that follow the point of view) and then in the end it's a discreet sw, but without spending higher figures other sw have better functions (in my exclusive opinion and talking about architectural design).
cad_parolisi
Guest
I am sorry for the training you received at the beginning of your "carriage" with allpllan. But perhaps you should have done some energetic remonstrations immediately to those who did the course. Perhaps this would not have fed "hostility" :frown: try for nemetschek and for allplan.
However, we must respect all opinions, provided that, in my opinion, they do not give up the work and professionalism of others (I refer to the call in question of assistance).
as you will have understood I am a satisfied allplan user and therefore I simply try to motivate my beliefs by always remaining within the limits of education and respect for others.
I invite all curious to go look at the pictures of the customer gallery http://www.nemetschek.it forgive partisans :smile:
However, we must respect all opinions, provided that, in my opinion, they do not give up the work and professionalism of others (I refer to the call in question of assistance).
as you will have understood I am a satisfied allplan user and therefore I simply try to motivate my beliefs by always remaining within the limits of education and respect for others.
I invite all curious to go look at the pictures of the customer gallery http://www.nemetschek.it forgive partisans :smile:
melastudio
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I am pleased that sometimes there are enthusiastic users of allplan:biggrin: (in a way, even if it may seem absurd, it gives me some hope of not making the wrong choice at the time).
close to the enthusiasm of some, but I also listen to the criticisms of many others (just take a ride in other forums a little more "lived" than this).
on assistance, probably when I moved criticism (maybe excessive), I did it on an emotional wave of the moment (regarding the solar problem in particular): I must say in truth that other times they have proved available and ready to solve the difficulties: In my opinion, the assistance of 30 is better than the programme itself.
I remain of the idea that sw and assistance cost a lot and I firmly believe that rates a little lower would motivate more to subscribe to the contract instead of waiting for 2/3/4 versions and then update the sw.:finger:
close to the enthusiasm of some, but I also listen to the criticisms of many others (just take a ride in other forums a little more "lived" than this).
on assistance, probably when I moved criticism (maybe excessive), I did it on an emotional wave of the moment (regarding the solar problem in particular): I must say in truth that other times they have proved available and ready to solve the difficulties: In my opinion, the assistance of 30 is better than the programme itself.
I remain of the idea that sw and assistance cost a lot and I firmly believe that rates a little lower would motivate more to subscribe to the contract instead of waiting for 2/3/4 versions and then update the sw.:finger:
melastudio
Guest
I invite all curious to go look at the pictures of the customer gallery http://www.nemetschek.itare very beautiful images and I congratulate those who have made them, but I think it would be correct to point out explicitly also which sw were used: e.g. allplan + cinema 4d, etc.
I simply say it because otherwise you feed expectations that then turn into disappointment, unless you buy (and especially learn to use) 2 or 3 different programs.
a while ago, viewing galleries of other vectorworks sites, was clearly stated the used sw: e.g. vectorworks+renderworks, etc. and you could evaluate the price/performance ratio.
Unfortunately known that even on these sites, today, the clarity and transparency in communication has left the step to the need to sell and here we no longer mention what were the necessary sw: desolating!
especially because I always liked transparency and honesty and I see less and less in presentations with impact images that require more software (which is not openly declared).
I simply say it because otherwise you feed expectations that then turn into disappointment, unless you buy (and especially learn to use) 2 or 3 different programs.
a while ago, viewing galleries of other vectorworks sites, was clearly stated the used sw: e.g. vectorworks+renderworks, etc. and you could evaluate the price/performance ratio.
Unfortunately known that even on these sites, today, the clarity and transparency in communication has left the step to the need to sell and here we no longer mention what were the necessary sw: desolating!
especially because I always liked transparency and honesty and I see less and less in presentations with impact images that require more software (which is not openly declared).
cad_parolisi
Guest
You're right. However I said to look at the gallery not so much for the pictures (which undoubtedly are very beautiful), but for the 3d models (made with allplan :smile
melastudio
Guest
certainly created 3d models are equally beautiful, but in many cases I have strong doubts that they were only made with allplan.
Although I have been using the sw for years and I am aware of my limitations in using it, I think it is unlikely that a realistic roof like the one attached, without resorting to sw as 4d cinema (also other images have rather "dubbi" models in this sense): notice the roof cloves shading the tiles below.
with allplan you can make beautiful models, but honestly many of those in the pictures belong to 4d cinema (and the fact that it is not declared in a trsparent way, illude that with only allplan you can get to these results
).
Although I have been using the sw for years and I am aware of my limitations in using it, I think it is unlikely that a realistic roof like the one attached, without resorting to sw as 4d cinema (also other images have rather "dubbi" models in this sense): notice the roof cloves shading the tiles below.
with allplan you can make beautiful models, but honestly many of those in the pictures belong to 4d cinema (and the fact that it is not declared in a trsparent way, illude that with only allplan you can get to these results
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cad_parolisi
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It also becomes unpleasant to the discussion, as it seems that you are trying to "demand" the software by attributing it by force of the limits that I think it does not have (it will certainly have limits, but as they have them all).
I attach below an image of my "knowledge", image that you can find in the gallery allplan. I think this model is far more complex than you've posted. the model, which represents an elementary school, was made entirely with allplan and then elaborated wisely with c4d. but everything was created first with allplan.
It seems to me therefore of bad taste to imply doubt for example to those who read this and other forums suggesting that there are "false". Maybe there will be, but as I think there's no evidence, I wouldn't go write this way. I apologize if I repeat, but rather than continuing to use an instrument that you think is not appropriate (you have a version 16, so now obsolete), better to abandon and avoid a continuous stillicide taking advantage also of the correctness, in my opinion, of the softwarehouse that practically never intervenes, if not, I have seen, in the official portal of allplan (and always in compliance with the rules of the forums). Of course the ideas of all must be respected, but until they insinuate doubts that one can not be sure to try (and this I think is one of those).
I don't want to look like a shovel, believe me I'm not really (and some technicians could confirm it), but I'm sorry when I read in the forums statements of this kind.
I attach below an image of my "knowledge", image that you can find in the gallery allplan. I think this model is far more complex than you've posted. the model, which represents an elementary school, was made entirely with allplan and then elaborated wisely with c4d. but everything was created first with allplan.
It seems to me therefore of bad taste to imply doubt for example to those who read this and other forums suggesting that there are "false". Maybe there will be, but as I think there's no evidence, I wouldn't go write this way. I apologize if I repeat, but rather than continuing to use an instrument that you think is not appropriate (you have a version 16, so now obsolete), better to abandon and avoid a continuous stillicide taking advantage also of the correctness, in my opinion, of the softwarehouse that practically never intervenes, if not, I have seen, in the official portal of allplan (and always in compliance with the rules of the forums). Of course the ideas of all must be respected, but until they insinuate doubts that one can not be sure to try (and this I think is one of those).
I don't want to look like a shovel, believe me I'm not really (and some technicians could confirm it), but I'm sorry when I read in the forums statements of this kind.
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melastudio
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Frankly, I don't think I've denigrated allplan, I repeat, with allplan you can get beautiful models, but what I was saying was another thing (maybe I explained badly): Many of the images report architectural details (see the images I had attached) that I would so much like someone to explain to me how they can be made with allplan (n.b. question made to competent people and no one has answered me).
look that it is not a polemic (it is absolutely lawful to publish images created with allplan and completed with 4d cinema), that is not what I questioned: It would be fair to say it openly and this seems to me to be simply transparency of commercial information.
to close a discussion (which has taken the wrong direction according to me), there is no need to be shovels, nor denigrators of allplan: everyone has their own ideas and beliefs (in positive or negative according to personal experiences); I think it is a good software that has been upgraded over some aspects, while on others it has stopped because for example 4d cinema has largely offset what was missing in allplan.
Of course I would have liked, as an allplan user, some improvements on rendering and other functions, without having to resort to 4d cinema (and have to learn another sw).
look that it is not a polemic (it is absolutely lawful to publish images created with allplan and completed with 4d cinema), that is not what I questioned: It would be fair to say it openly and this seems to me to be simply transparency of commercial information.
to close a discussion (which has taken the wrong direction according to me), there is no need to be shovels, nor denigrators of allplan: everyone has their own ideas and beliefs (in positive or negative according to personal experiences); I think it is a good software that has been upgraded over some aspects, while on others it has stopped because for example 4d cinema has largely offset what was missing in allplan.
Of course I would have liked, as an allplan user, some improvements on rendering and other functions, without having to resort to 4d cinema (and have to learn another sw).
melastudio
Guest
for correctness I must admit that I have not read carefully the description at the bottom of the image I had posted.on the image it is a "restoration" and therefore it is very likely (and from a more careful examination of the photo it is understood) that it is a photographic insertion of the two abbeys on the photo of an existing house (therefore the "particulars" to which I referred are "real" objects photographed).
I ask vein, but I assumed that the images were all new achievements.
p.s.
to honor the truth with the latest versions of allplan, in truth, you can also make details (such as the plugs) using the modeler railings: great implementation, but that is not supported adequately (according to me) by exhaustive online guides.
of one thing I am certain: Many advanced allplan functions would make sw more justice if they were supported by online guides and/or video tutorials showing their use.
and my last consideration is indirectly transpires from many discussions on various forums related to allplan and of which (onor of the true) nem italia is being charged by activating portals like allplan connect and beginning to publish mini video-guide (to which I make a sincere):finger:.
cad_parolisi
Guest
Look, I don't have any arguments.
Just look at your initial post here. I also followed you in the allplan forum and frankly it seems to me that the attitude is really polemical.
then to return to the initial topic of this discussion, when you say that you showed the images to experts who did not know how to answer you and then you admit that you were wrong because in the analyzed image you saw that it was a retructuring............... I could say that maybe very experienced were not. I always try to write things that I can prove or try with certainty (written things remain) and try not to feed doubts (in this case on allplan) in other users who read the forums.
However I have seen that you also write in allplan-connect (I am there too). Perhaps you can receive better and more exhaustive answers, even if in your post (if I'm not mistaken on the topic shadows) you wrote something very negative about the answers they gave you in allplan connect. if this is not polemic..........
Just look at your initial post here. I also followed you in the allplan forum and frankly it seems to me that the attitude is really polemical.
then to return to the initial topic of this discussion, when you say that you showed the images to experts who did not know how to answer you and then you admit that you were wrong because in the analyzed image you saw that it was a retructuring............... I could say that maybe very experienced were not. I always try to write things that I can prove or try with certainty (written things remain) and try not to feed doubts (in this case on allplan) in other users who read the forums.
However I have seen that you also write in allplan-connect (I am there too). Perhaps you can receive better and more exhaustive answers, even if in your post (if I'm not mistaken on the topic shadows) you wrote something very negative about the answers they gave you in allplan connect. if this is not polemic..........